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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

i know its off topic guys but youve help me before. I downed 80mg of liquid codeine all at once (no paracetamol). Done it a few times. Is this ok or is it damaging any organ? Should it just be sipped?
 
pure codeine is not orally toxic at that dose, 60 mg is often used as first aid for opiate naive with no medical history of opiates and +20 % is in safe margin if you have not used massive doses of benzos or alcohol. In acute oral administration, respiratory depression is only threat, but 80 mg is fine.

for some reason other ROAs can be dangerous I think it causes histaminergic reaction or something. Codeine only orally.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
pure codeine is not orally toxic at that dose, 60 mg is often used as first aid for opiate naive with no medical history of opiates and +20 % is in safe margin if you have not used massive doses of benzos or alcohol. In acute oral administration, respiratory depression is only threat, but 80 mg is fine.

for some reason other ROAs can be dangerous I think it causes histaminergic reaction or something. Codeine only orally.
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Thanks for that👍
 
This is quite an interesting graphical representation comparing the effects profiles of a number of different benzos.

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There's a few missing, most noticeably Etizolam I'd say, considering that there's a few much rarer benzos on there, or at least some that I've never even heard of.

Not sure how the results were worked out, and I guess a lot of it must be subjective user reports, where there will be a lot of individual variation, so I'm not sure that I agree with all of the ratings. The 2 that I'd most disagree with are that Nitrazepam seems to have a lot of muscular relaxation to me, although it's rated very low on there for that, and also that alprazolam scores a lot lower for psychological anxiety reduction that I'd say is actually the case ime. Similarly it scores a lot lower as a sedative than I'd say is the case, when it's used for that purpose.

According to this Clonazepam seems quite weak all round, apart from as anti-convulsant and as a pure sedative which wouldn't be of much use to me, but I find it suits my purposes pretty well, although I guess I have needed to increase my dose by a fair bit, compared to etizolam for example, to get the effects I'm looking for.

Diazepam seems to be the best all rounder by far, scoring highly on most measures. Shame that reliable supplies of the genuine article take some finding these days. I have especially benefitted from the muscular relaxation properties recently, and have been able to switch from Soma which is amazingly effective, over to diazepam with minimal issues. I'd say that Soma is 100% effective for muscular tension relief, and diaz is about 75% in comparison.

Soma scares me slightly though with all the warnings about how physically and mentally addictive it can be. And also because it attaches to the barbiturate receptor as well as GABA A. I have found myself mentally craving it of late, after a few weeks use, which is a sure sign that I need to back off. Fortunately I have managed to just stop taking it and switched to diaz instead as of yesterday and today, with no issues what so ever.
 
For the first time ever I have not received the Galenkia Rivotril brand for my latest order of Clonazepam.

It's a bit concerning if supplies of that brand may be starting to run low, or I may need to switch vendor.

I've received Elikem Nozim, not a brand I've ever heard of before. There's been a few submissions on Wedinos for Lorazepam by this manufacturer with mostly good results, but one result where loads of random shit was found. Two submissions for Clonaz so far, one good, and one apparently containing clonaz plus Amisulpride (an antiemetic and antipsychotic medication used at lower doses intravenously to prevent and treat postoperative nausea and vomiting; and at higher doses by mouth to treat schizophrenia and acute psychotic episodes.)

My work is currently causing me lots of muscular tension and aches so I'm currently finding diazepam a lot more helpful than clonaz, as it's serving multi-purposes for me, with it's strong muscular relaxation properties, as well as the anxiety benefits. Plus benzos also help me with the sensory issues and poor tolerance of stress that I'm blaming on my Autism.

If I can find consistently good supplies of diaz, then I'm going to switch to that from clonaz. I might start using the clonaz just for sleep, as needs be, as according to the diagram I posted above, the sedative properties are meant to be strong.
 
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ageingpartyfiend said:
The Martin Dows in my recent experience legit Diaz but defo underdosed - iirc someone recently went o Energy Control and the 10's came back clean biut only 6mg, which sound about right to me from effects)

You gotta get the LIGHT blue one's though.
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Just got some light blue ones, so that was lucky, although someone else did recommend the particular vendor I used. So even though everything seems likely to be good on both counts, I'll probably still send a sample off to Wedinos. It's my first time trying Martin Dows Valium. Always a good idea to get previously untried stuff tested, at least then I'll know what the proper stuff should taste like. And from then on I generally trust my own taste test once I've established what's what.
 
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I've had recently 60 martin dows from known clearnet vendor and they're sound, cause bensedins out of stock again. Just like someone said, underdosed. I'm glad im not dependent from them, just staying with weed, my anxiety is gone for now. Seeing what's going on market would made me worried.
 
Given the huge experience of benzo use by many posters i've stuck this in here.

I've just returned to a maintenance dose of 20-25mg as i'd had supply issues, down from 30mg from early march, i've been splitting the dose starting with 5mg in the afternoon and 5/10 mg at 6pm, 10mg before bed, I'm not sleeping well though, and that's where the extra 5mg has crept in, i was sticking to 20mg but i've a new job and need sleep.
Should i leave it late as possible? bearing in mind i start work at 7am.

And, is Clonazepam a better option for sleep? 10/15mg diaz during the day and 1x clonaz before bed or am i opening a new can of worms?

Thank you.
 
Bleaney said:
Unfortunately I ran out of etiz some time ago, and there's none to be found on the clearnet any more. And so much of the alpazolam is fake these days that it seems too risky to bother with trying to re-order.
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You can get Etiz on clearnet but its generic pills in a grip bag, not the branded blister pack versions you could buy previously. They claim to be quality properly dosed product though and I believe the vendor since its where I got all on my genuine branded stuff from in the past and they are an excellent vendor who has been around a long time. They were getting the branded stuff from Singapore at the time.

I miss Etiz, my fave of them all I think.
 
50shadesofDave said:
Given the huge experience of benzo use by many posters i've stuck this in here.

I've just returned to a maintenance dose of 20-25mg as i'd had supply issues, down from 30mg from early march, i've been splitting the dose starting with 5mg in the afternoon and 5/10 mg at 6pm, 10mg before bed, I'm not sleeping well though, and that's where the extra 5mg has crept in, i was sticking to 20mg but i've a new job and need sleep.
Should i leave it late as possible? bearing in mind i start work at 7am.

And, is Clonazepam a better option for sleep? 10/15mg diaz during the day and 1x clonaz before bed or am i opening a new can of worms?

Thank you.
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If you believe that diagram I posted a few posts above clonaz is a better option for sleep than diaz, although diaz is better in most other aspects.

Especially if you're taking diaz in the morning it's probably not going to help hugely for sleep at night.

It is a can of worms dosing twice a day (or every few hours) though, although I'm a fine one to talk as I'm doing the same as your planning to with the night time dose.

The thing is that I know I can sleep without benzos at night as I have a Mirtazapine script. I just end up using Bzs at night too for various reasons, but I know if I tapered the night time dose down further (its already low - like 0.5mg of clon) and quit, it wouldnt take too long to be able to get by without that dose. As I have done for periods in the past, and not too long ago.

Which would be much better in the long run.

Diaz is long lasting so one dose should see you through your working day, you shouldnt need to re-dose every few hours like you are doing, I don't think most people would need to do that, although everybodys metabolism is different. The half life of diaz is very long, and so is the initial duration. I cant recall the exact timings without looking it up.
 
sadasaulna said:
You can get Etiz on clearnet but its generic pills in a grip bag, not the branded blister pack versions you could buy previously. They claim to be quality properly dosed product though and I believe the vendor since its where I got all on my genuine branded stuff from in the past and they are an excellent vendor who has been around a long time. They were getting the branded stuff from Singapore at the time.

I miss Etiz, my fave of them all I think.
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Previous experience, and reports from other users, has shown that vendor pressed pills can be highly variable in their dosing. I think some batches have been OK, IIRC, but others have consisted of over dosed or underdosed individual pills. Some totally inactive, and some that will fuck you up.

I may look into it and make a sample order though, thanks for the info.
 
Bleaney said:
Previous experience, and reports from other users, has shown that vendor pressed pills can be highly variable in their dosing. I think some batches have been OK, IIRC, but others have consisted of over dosed or underdosed individual pills. Some totally inactive, and some that will fuck you up.

I may look into it and make a sample order though, thanks for the info.
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They make the claim that they are dosed exactly 1mg, but I haven't tried them yet so I can't comment on the veracity of that.

Happy hunting!
 
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Someone I care about has been smashing these and to be frank, it’s not great. Are these at least legit? A quick look online suggests they’re not evenly dosed/over dosage?

You’re input is appreciated.
 
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