EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[ageingpartyfiend]

Yeah it's a strange one. Once you get over a gram you start to shake n shit. I'm not sure if I had a mini seizure one night. Just carisoprodol. Nothing else.

hmmm well, 750 max for me i future I think. 500 is probably enough with a good smoke for my purposes anyway maybe, will try that dose next time

am beginning to naturally prefer lower doses of (some) drugs more thesedays, didnl't really see that coming but happy with it

 

[BadBoy377]

Aye, man. Same.

Less is definitely more.

 

[BadBoy377]

Mainly I just like the taste of clonaz

 

[Bleaney]

Soma and DHC goes great together as soma is known to potentiate opiates. Getting the doses right can be tricky though and I never take crazily high doses.

Alcohol and soma is definitely a very bad mix to be avoided. The KO effects of both are dramatically increased. (Even half a glass of wine can do this - all be it a large glass.)

I took half a 500mg soma tab last night, along with 3ml of my diclaz solution, and as I havent had any Soma for a considerable time I could really feel it. I felt slightly Soma-drunk and slurry and 'lit'. Plus it helped relax my muscles.

Only problem was I woke up at 3am wide awake and couldnt get back to sleep. Had to top up with a bit mnore clonaz which is now throwing my schedule out of whack

Medically Soma can be used for up to 3 weeks, but with the psychological effects it also has I wouldnt like to use it for that duration, and I'll stick to very occasional use.

 

[BadBoy377]

Soma and DHC goes great together as soma is known to potentiate opiates. Getting the doses right can be tricky though and I never take crazily high doses.

Alcohol and soma is definitely a very bad mix to be avoided. The KO effects of both are dramatically increased. (Even half a glass of wine can do this - all be it a large glass.)

I took half a 500mg soma tab last night, along with 3ml of my diclaz solution, and as I havent had any Soma for a considerable time I could really feel it. I felt slightly Soma-drunk and slurry and 'lit'. Plus it helped relax my muscles.

Only problem was I woke up at 3am wide awake and couldnt get back to sleep. Had to top up with a bit mnore clonaz which is now throwing my schedule out of whack

Medically Soma can be used for up to 3 weeks, but with the psychological effects it also has I wouldnt like to use it for that duration, and I'll stick to very occasional use.

Yeah definitely occasional use but it serves it's purpose as a medicine well. As a drug of abuse it's a bit more risky for sure.

Definitely one for occasional use.

Alcohol and soma should knock you out. But I just keep on going like some soulless zombie. Apparently it's real alarming for onlookers.

 

[pharaoh]

Anyone got thoughts on diclazepam as a replacement for diazepam given the issues with the supply? Would it be a decent replacement/substitution? I have clonazepam stocked but it is too heavy and I have a source that looks decent re diclaz so wondered if anyone had any thoughts.

 

[Bleaney]

I've grown to really like diclazepam over these last few weeks. Maybe it's just because of the contrast with the effects of clonazepam but it feels a lot more recreational and enjoyable to me.

Do you have a source for the pills or powder form? The powder can be tricky to dissolve into PG but with a lot of patience and warming of the PG and stirring and stirring it eventually incorporates. I think there are some impurities in the powder that won't dissolve no matter how long you warm and stir for it's never going ot be a completely clear solution.

Diclazepam should be virtually identical to diazepam in it's effects as they are chemically so similar. I think that diclazepam has an even longer half life though, and it's just been that little bit more seductive. It's slightly more heavy and heady IMO, although other people say it's more clear headed for them.

I guess it's probably very dose dependant.

 

[pharaoh]

I've grown to really like diclazepam over these last few weeks. Maybe it's just because of the contrast with the effects of clonazepam but it feels a lot more recreational and enjoyable to me.

Do you have a source for the pills or powder form? The powder can be tricky to dissolve into PG but with a lot of patience and warming of the PG and stirring and stirring it eventually incorporates. I think there are some impurities in the powder that won't dissolve no matter how long you warm and stir for it's never going ot be a completely clear solution.

Diclazepam should be virtually identical to diazepam in it's effects as they are chemically so similar. I think that diclazepam has an even longer half life though, and it's just been that little bit more seductive. It's slightly more heavy and heady IMO, although other people say it's more clear headed for them.

I guess it's probably very dose dependant.

It's powder so I assumed I'd just weigh out doses on decent, sensitive scales. (even the cheap ones in off licenses can be used to weigh low doses using methods designed for weighing up bags of H). I think they said 99% purity but who knows. It looks like the old RC sites I used to get etiz from before the New Psychoactive Substances act or whatever they called it, right down to the packaging and they have a range of chemicals on there which are alien to me, only three benzos and I never tried diclazepam (knowingly - there's a high chance I've had it in street tablets). I used to get 1mg pellets and once got the powder and being completely naive to this class of drugs, went through it in no time and barely remember it, etizolam that is. I figured I would try and figure out an approximate dose ratio (psychonaut wiki is reliable but there are other sources too of course) and use it as a way to taper, thinking it would be more effective and less dangerous than relying on what's being sold as diazepam which, even when actually containing diazepam, still isn't accurate in terms of dosage most likely. Also I wouldn't be worried too much about the sedation given my tolerance.

I think I'd just weigh doses with those super sensitive scales and take them in a similar way to how I do now but wouldn't have to supplement with clonazepam (which has led me to increase my intake of benzos overall in spite of my attempts to taper). It seems a more reliable way to taper and also the prices seem OK although I don't know about shipping costs as I haven't checked yet. It seems as if it will be cheaper in the long run.

Thanks for your input. I am leaning towards it and will also send a small amount for testing. It is probably the safest route for anyone looking to taper (without actual medical help) given that you can control your doses and all that, in theory anyway. And if I have any success with it I'll add updates to this thread.

 

[mauve]

Anyone got thoughts on diclazepam as a replacement for diazepam given the issues with the supply? Would it be a decent replacement/substitution? I have clonazepam stocked but it is too heavy and I have a source that looks decent re diclaz so wondered if anyone had any thoughts.

I took had to resort to diclaz once, and I don't remember a whole week apart from what people around me said and after the effects started to ware off the world started to look like a blur.

Never touched it again, I wouldn't personally say it felt like Diaz, but I think less is more with diclaz as it's a very fine line between it's anxiolytic and black out effects

 

[Bleaney]

It's powder so I assumed I'd just weigh out doses on decent, sensitive scales.

it's simply not practically feasible or possible to weigh out doses of 1mg. Which is a dose equivalent to 10mg of diaazpeam. There's no way of handling amoiunts that small and measuring them. Its a recipe for disaster. Without meaning to you're going to be taking huge doses of easily 10-20mg, which is equivalent to 100-200mg of diazepam.

The only way to go is with volumetric doseing and dissolving in PG. There's loads of threads and techs aabout it. If you're srtill stuck I can help. But basically you disolve 1g of powder in 1 litre of pg and then measure out 1ml doses to get a 1mg dose. Its highly acccurate and safe that way.

 

[pharaoh]

Thanks guys. @Bleaney there are scales that can do it. Now that I've looked the source might be dodgy anyway and after reading yours and @mauve 'a replies I will try and find pellets but through the RC vendors. It seemed like a great idea but now seems potentially problematic with the weighing and all. I was confusing musf about weighing 0.2 bags but that obviously isn't the same thing at all and so I won't try this unless I can get pellets.

Really thought I had a eureka moment there lol

 

[Bleaney]

Even those scales that purport to be accurate to 0.001g aren't really. They are + or - 5 - 0.0010 easily especially at lower doses. Plus it's impossible for non trained people to handle doses as small as 1mg. That kind of weight is barely even visible. It's just a speck.

Volumetric dosing isn't difficult at all. (If I can do it, anyone can.) Plus if you get 2ml oral syringes there are 20 gradients. So you can measure 1mg down into tenths of 1mg by using the 0.1 ml gradients. This makes them amazing for tapers, especially towards the end with how gradually you can reduce. And the long half life of diclazepam makes the whole method doubly ideal for tapers.

Yeah 0.2 bags are 200mg aren't they? That's a very different proposition to 1mg. Its easy to weigh anything st thst kind of weigt, basically anything above 15mg is ok to weigh fairly accurately, but below that things start getting very tricky for non trained peole with non specialist equipment. You get different readings every time you put the same amount on the scale. They cant handle low weights. Even the 0.001g ones. (Well not the ones you can get off ebay for £10-£15 anyway.)

I dont know even trained chemists may struggle at that stage. Perhaps if @AlsoTapered or @fastandbulbous see this they can comment.

EDIT: And really not meaning to just be down on everything you say, but vendor pressed pills and pellets tend to be notoriously unreliably dosed. You really would be better off making a PG solution using the powder. Diclaz powder is not dangerous to handle like xanax powder, iirc, where one wrong move and you're out cold for a day. But you've still got to be careful and give yourslef time to have the patience to get it to dissolve as best as you can.

All the items you'd need such as PG and 2ml oral syringes are dead easy and legal to obtain online. I could even send you the links if you want.

 

[pharaoh]

Even those scales that purport to be accurate to 0.001g aren't really. They are + or - 5 - 0.0010 easily especially at lower doses. Plus it's impossible for non trained people to handle doses as small as 1mg. That kind of weight is barely even visible. It's just a speck.

Volumetric dosing isn't difficult at all. (If I can do it, anyone can.) Plus if you get 2ml oral syringes there are 20 gradients. So you can measure 1mg down into tenths of 1mg by using the 0.1 ml gradients. This makes them amazing for tapers, especially towards the end with how gradually you can reduce. And the long half life of diclazepam makes the whole method doubly ideal for tapers.

Yeah 0.2 bags are 200mg aren't they? That's a very different proposition to 1mg. Its easy to weigh anything st thst kind of weigt, basically anything above 15mg is ok to weigh fairly accurately, but below that things start getting very tricky for non trained peole with non specialist equipment. You get different readings every time you put the same amount on the scale. They cant handle low weights. Even the 0.001g ones. (Well not the ones you can get off ebay for £10-£15 anyway.)

I dont know even trained chemists may struggle at that stage. Perhaps if @AlsoTapered or @fastandbulbous see this they can comment.

EDIT: And really not meaning to just be down on everything you say, but vendor pressed pills and pellets tend to be notoriously unreliably dosed. You really would be better off making a PG solution using the powder. Diclaz powder is not dangerous to handle like xanax powder, iirc, where one wrong move and you're out cold for a day. But you've still got to be careful and give yourslef time to have the patience to get it to dissolve as best as you can.

All the items you'd need such as PG and 2ml oral syringes are dead easy and legal to obtain online. I could even send you the links if you want.

Yep I appreciate the information. It was late and as I say, I thought I had a eureka moment but even after looking into the vendor, they don't have a decent reputation. There are lots of them though. I didn't realise how small a dosage was and it is because I got confused about the way we used to weigh gear. We did have expensive and sensitive scales as well but didn't need them (people use them of course for pressing the "street valium" tablets and by being close to that business, that's how we had those scales, even though for gear no one is expecting an accurate dose and I don't think I ever even used them as our pills just came in big bags). I just thought that a pure source (or as pure as can be expected) from the RC vendors which are not selling "branded" products like the clearnet vendors would be useful for tapering but things like volumetric dosing just seems like too much work for me but I don't understand it so maybe its something I could look into. I had it in my head that I could just weigh up doses (2-4mg) and put them into capsules with lactose or something like that and this was based on remembering the old pellets without thinking about fillers and all that. In terms of cost-effectiveness the amount of money I would save would be enormous and if it could be done right, potentially highly useful in terms of tapering accurately. It is becoming a frustration and a pain. My tapering was actually going well until basically substituting diazepam with clonazepam so its means I'm using more now even though I had started to use less. I had to wait for the right moment to start tapering further due to commitments and now that I am in a position to be able to so, the supply I have relied on has become unreliable.

With all that in mind I think I'll try and source pellets, even if their dosages aren't super reliable they have to be better than the Bensedin or whatever which most people think are under 10mg or whatever but I'd assume its more to do with them being weakened through the conditions they've been kept in and then throughout their journey. Anyone who has worked in a warehouse and opened the back of a lorry straight off the docks will know what I mean. I don't imagine that benzos are particularly stable when exposed to all the different elements on their way from the Balkans to wherever in the UK they end up.

Thanks for your input though, highly useful and made me think about it properly. When I looked again last night and actually thought about the doses/mg I was amazed at how many you would get for the cost of the powder and that's what attracted me of course. I'd even be happy about buying powdered form that was cut for ease of preparing dosages as long as the ingredients were listed (another reason for decriminalisation and legalised supplies for addicts etc.).

 

[mauve]

Yep I appreciate the information. It was late and as I say, I thought I had a eureka moment but even after looking into the vendor, they don't have a decent reputation. There are lots of them though. I didn't realise how small a dosage was and it is because I got confused about the way we used to weigh gear. We did have expensive and sensitive scales as well but didn't need them (people use them of course for pressing the "street valium" tablets and by being close to that business, that's how we had those scales, even though for gear no one is expecting an accurate dose and I don't think I ever even used them as our pills just came in big bags). I just thought that a pure source (or as pure as can be expected) from the RC vendors which are not selling "branded" products like the clearnet vendors would be useful for tapering but things like volumetric dosing just seems like too much work for me but I don't understand it so maybe its something I could look into. I had it in my head that I could just weigh up doses (2-4mg) and put them into capsules with lactose or something like that and this was based on remembering the old pellets without thinking about fillers and all that. In terms of cost-effectiveness the amount of money I would save would be enormous and if it could be done right, potentially highly useful in terms of tapering accurately. It is becoming a frustration and a pain. My tapering was actually going well until basically substituting diazepam with clonazepam so its means I'm using more now even though I had started to use less. I had to wait for the right moment to start tapering further due to commitments and now that I am in a position to be able to so, the supply I have relied on has become unreliable.

With all that in mind I think I'll try and source pellets, even if their dosages aren't super reliable they have to be better than the Bensedin or whatever which most people think are under 10mg or whatever but I'd assume its more to do with them being weakened through the conditions they've been kept in and then throughout their journey. Anyone who has worked in a warehouse and opened the back of a lorry straight off the docks will know what I mean. I don't imagine that benzos are particularly stable when exposed to all the different elements on their way from the Balkans to wherever in the UK they end up.

Thanks for your input though, highly useful and made me think about it properly. When I looked again last night and actually thought about the doses/mg I was amazed at how many you would get for the cost of the powder and that's what attracted me of course. I'd even be happy about buying powdered form that was cut for ease of preparing dosages as long as the ingredients were listed (another reason for decriminalisation and legalised supplies for addicts etc.).

Could you hold your taper on clon until you can get hold of decent Diaz? Bens are really unreliable right now and quite frankly dangerous.

Clon seems to be the only one untouched by that lethal stuff

Source- wedinos

If you do decide to go for diclaz, please start at 1mg max, so easy to black out on that stuff.

Liquid titration is tedious but once you get the hang of it it's like a smooth landing compared to regular tapers

 

[pharaoh]

Could you hold your taper on clon until you can get hold of decent Diaz? Bens are really unreliable right now and quite frankly dangerous.

Clon seems to be the only one untouched by that lethal stuff

Source- wedinos

If you do decide to go for diclaz, please start at 1mg max, so easy to black out on that stuff.

Liquid titration is tedious but once you get the hang of it it's like a smooth landing compared to regular tapers

Yeah I'm considering the latter option and have basically been using clonazepam to keep myself stable and having a diazepam in the morning and in the evening, sometimes in the afternoon if I'm busy but if I'm not, I'll take a clonazepam (sometimes in two halves) but I often end up having an extra diazepam if I'm stressed out and this had made it harder to keep track. I have started using tally charts to keep track though even though which helps. I just don't like clonazepam due it's sedative effects - I find iut much more sedating than diazepam.

I do have a source that I trust for diazepam but their payment system is up and down but their orders have been decent. If I don't source diclazepam and try that route using the suggested methods then I will just try and stock up on the bensedin I get which have been decent for years. I am sending a sample for testing along with the bunk ones I received but also I'm gonna send in some clonazepam because I reckon they will be faked soon enough too as the vendors are onto the fact that people have been buying them instead - I even got them as replacements for bad Bensedin orders twice now. Suppliers will get onto this soon enough I reckon.

Anyway I'm ranting, I just thought I was onto something so I'm gonna look into diclazepam pellets as my first attempt (will have them tested) and think about the powder/dropper method as well. But also when I can, I will order some Bensedin and stock up if they are decent for the taper.

I was down to 30mg of diazepam a day and now it's more like 50mg at least if you use the conversion chart to account for clonazepam, sometimes up to 70mg even. This is why seeing diclazepam cheap seemed like a eureka moment as I say. I suppose I can try and use the clonazepam to stabilise and the taper but it's harder I find due to the sedative effects as I say. It takes a while to come on too and I know that this can be resolved by sublingual administration but waking up and having my vitamins and coffee, I don't want something that will put me back to sleep you know?

Anyway I appreciate the advice and I'll figure something out, even if I have to drive 200 miles to a certain open air market which always had decent goods super cheap too. Haven't been for a couple of years though so fuck knows if it is as reliable as it was. It was far more reliable than the online vendors and so much cheaper too (5er for a strip of Martin Dow and you'd get deals for buying many).

 

[BadBoy377]

@pharaoh given the shitshow that is the current market have you considered maybe just going to your GP and speaking to them? You've clearly tried to help yourself but are at the mercy of an unreliable system.

GP would be obligated to help you and would able to provide the gear. Just a thought?

 

[pharaoh]

@BadBoy377 Aye but you know what they are like here. When I went to the hospital last year after going CT off of everything and actually having a seizure due to benzo W/Ds, they didn't believe me and I assume they thought I was after benzos. I wasn't, I wanted them to keep me in so I could detox there. After the seizure and starting to come to, I called 111 and they told me to get there by a certain time, so they believed me on the phone at least. This was the actual hospital and as I understand it, a seizure is an A&E situation but they refused to believe me. I had one in London a good few years ago due to alcohol and they kept me in for a week on librium to detox, in a ward full of stab victims and whatnot. I suppose they have to find you in the street after someone calls 999 before they believe you. Anyway last year they at least gave a weeks worth of zopiclone to go home with which was immensely helpful under those circumstances (sleep and vitamins really help with benzo WDs - sleep is 100% crucial yet nearly impossible without chemical assistance).

So the chances of the GP giving me a script is pretty low. I have my bupe jab tomorrow and last time I had a different nurse than usual who spoke about "them" (as in drug services) looking into benzo substitution therapy (like opioid replacement/substitution therapy I suppose) and how they can accurately test urine for which benzos a person has in them and will be able to assess and prescribe accordingly based on their usage. But the way she was describing it sounds like its in the very early, hypothetical stages.

The nurse who is doing my jab tomorrow is someone I know semi-personally and I get on well with her. I haven't told her about benzo use due in part to the fact that I get on with her and almost feel as I'd be "letting her down" but the main, more important reasons are to do with certain aspects of my personal life and achievements I've made which could be jeopardized by the wrong person finding out. I've told you about some of these privately. It might even be a professional obligation for her to grass me up about benzo use, I dunno. I don't even get piss tested due to the level of trust and my general stability in life. If I knew there was a concrete plan in place to help people, I'd go for it. I will bring it up casually and maybe say that I've used here and there and that it could become a problem just to feel the waters but I don't think that anything is in place to really help yet.

All that said, the situation isn't truly dire: I do have 93 clonazepam tablets and 40 diazepam tablets so I'm not gonna enter WDs too soon but they don't last, my last order arrived for diazepam only just over 2 weeks ago and so 40 left out of 90 is not good (I have had days during which I've used more than intended). I used to basically order 90 a month which would keep me going and I would normally be on 30mg a day, functioning over a long time. Due to a lot of stress over the holidays and whatnot and not getting what I paid for, my usage has gone up even though it was actually down (50-70mg a day now, diazepam and clonazepam based on conversion charts). I may be able to go back to that if the vendor I use sort their transactions out and may even just make a second order if they are kosher.

I also have 200 fake Bensedin tablets which I'm pretty certain are just chalk or whatever shite they use in the pressers. Will send them for testing when I can be bothered, they could contain anything but IME there is usually some flavour. I even have 2 strips from the same vendor from ages ago that I forgot about which taste like artificial sweetener (to mimic the taste of Bensedin tablets I suppose) and only just remembered them - fuck knows what's in those.

I haven't found a trustworthy RC market that has diclazepam either, only bromazolam and I can go and buy that on the street. It is too close to alprazolam anyway which isn't good for me due to compulsive re-dosing and all that.

Anyway sorry to keep ranting, the whole thing is just a bore. I was fine when I had a steady supply and never really thought about giving up until I went CT and that pretty much happened because I ran out of money and was on my own so it was just an opportunist move. I will at least ask about the benzo replacement therapy ideas they have in motion tomorrow and try and have patience with vendors. It is worth waiting for the one I trust rather than resorting to other ones, even though they could still end up with fakes (they removed Bensedin and stocked Martin Dow when all the fakes stated turning up though which makes me think that they are serious and I have used them for years, only had one bad batch which was replaced). To be fair to the other vendor, they are the reason I have 93 clonazepam at hand, but also 200 chalk tablets.

With all this in mind I suppose I could start tapering with the clonazepam but I don't know if I have enough based on the method. Can't remember its name but its the one people go by, figured out by that professor from Newcastle Uni. I dunno if I'm fully ready to do a full taper though now, I want to do it as gradually as possible.

 

[mauve]

@BadBoy377 Aye but you know what they are like here. When I went to the hospital last year after going CT off of everything and actually having a seizure due to benzo W/Ds, they didn't believe me and I assume they thought I was after benzos. I wasn't, I wanted them to keep me in so I could detox there. After the seizure and starting to come to, I called 111 and they told me to get there by a certain time, so they believed me on the phone at least. This was the actual hospital and as I understand it, a seizure is an A&E situation but they refused to believe me. I had one in London a good few years ago due to alcohol and they kept me in for a week on librium to detox, in a ward full of stab victims and whatnot. I suppose they have to find you in the street after someone calls 999 before they believe you. Anyway they gave a weeks worth of zopiclone to go home with which was immensely helpful under those circumstances.

So the chances of the GP giving me a script is pretty low. I have my bupe jab tomorrow and last time I had a different nurse than usual who spoke about "them" (as in drug services) looking into benzo substitution therapy (like opioid replacement/substitution therapy I suppose) and how they can accurately test urine for which benzos a person has in them and will be able to assess and prescribe accordingly. But the way she was describing it sounds like its in the very early, hypothetical stages.

The nurse who is doing my jab tomorrow is someone I know semi-personally and I get on well with her. I haven't told her about benzo use due in part to the fact that I get on with her and almost feel as I'd be "letting her down" but its also a lot more to do with certain aspects of my personal life and achievements I've made which could be jeopardized by the wrong person finding out. I've told you about some of these privately. It might even be a professional obligation for her to grass me up about benzo use, I dunno. I don't even get piss tested due to the level of trust. If I knew there was a concrete plan in place to help people, I'd go for it. I will bring it up casually and say maybe that I've used here and there and that it could become a problem just to feel the waters but I don't think that anything is in place to really help.

All that said, the situation isn't truly dire: I do have 93 clonazepam tablets and 40 diazepam tablets so I'm not gonna enter WDs too soon but they don't last, my last order arrived for diazepam only just over 2 weeks ago and so 40 left out of 90 is not good. I used to basically order 90 a month which would keep me going. I may be able to go back to that if the vendor I use sort their transactions out and may even just make a second order if they are kosher.

I also have 200 fake Bensedin tablets which I'm pretty certain are just chalk or whatever shite they use in the pressers. Will send them for testing when I can be bothered, they could contain anything but IME there is usually some flavour. I haven't found a trustworthy RC market that has diclazepam either, only bromazolam and I can go and buy that on the street. It is too close to alprazolam anyway which isn't good for me due to compulsive re-dosing and all that.

Anyway sorry to keep ranting, the whole thing is just a bore. I was fine when I had a steady supply and never really thought about giving up until I went CT and that pretty much happened because I ran out of money and was on my own so it was just an opportunist move. I will at least ask about the benzo replacement therapy ideas they have in motion tomorrow and try and have patience with vendors. It is worth waiting for the one I trust rather than resorting to other ones, even though they could still end up with fakes (they removed Bensedin and stocked Martin Dow when all the fakes stated turning up though which makes me think that they are serious and I have used them for years, only had one bad batch which was replaced). To be fair to the other vendor, they are the reason I have 93 clonazepam at hand, but also 200 chalk tablets.

With all this in mind I suppose I could start tapering with the clonazepam but I don't know if I have enough based on the method. Can't remember its name but its the one people go by, figured out by that professor from Newcastle Uni. I dunno if I'm fully ready to do a full taper though now, I want to do it as gradually as possible.

This-

Zimmermann benzo Test - Drug test kit (Benzodiazepines), SafeTest4

Reagent / Drug Test Kit - UK based - comprises of Zimmermann reagent for Benzo Testing. Valium, Diazepam, rohypnol, Flunitrazepam etc

www.safetest4.co.uk

It will at least give you an idea if there is any benzo in your pill.

Sending them off to the lab is of course more accurate.

I do agree with you about going to the GP, who will then may refer you to a local drugs project, who may then not even be expert's in tapering someone off benzos and offer you rehab for two weeks in which case after your left and back to square one

 

[pharaoh]

This-

Zimmermann benzo Test - Drug test kit (Benzodiazepines), SafeTest4

Reagent / Drug Test Kit - UK based - comprises of Zimmermann reagent for Benzo Testing. Valium, Diazepam, rohypnol, Flunitrazepam etc

www.safetest4.co.uk

It will at least give you an idea if there is any benzo in your pill.

Sending them off to the lab is of course more accurate.

I do agree with you about going to the GP, who will then may refer you to a local drugs project, who may then not even be expert's in tapering someone off benzos and offer you rehab for two weeks in which case after your left and back to square one

Thanks that is really helpful, I always wondered if there were kits like that for home use. I'd be curious just to know if there was anything in those pills even if non-specific whilst waiting for wedinos results to come back.

I edited my post tho - I do see services and they are supposedly discussing benzo replacement therapy in the style of opioid replacement/substitution therapy but the way it was described is that it's still in the hypothetical stage. The nurse told me they have piss tests which can show exactly what benzo someone has in their urine and the idea is to prescribe based on that. Sounds like a great idea but I wouldn't be surprised if it is a long way away.

Chances of getting a script here without being in total WDs is super slim. It's amazing that they used to give them out like candy, probably causing this nation's problematic relationship with benzos a la America's opioid crisis and the role played by the oxycontin manufacturers/pushers and the doctors who acted like fuckin street pushers.

 

[mauve]

Thanks that is really helpful, I always wondered if there were kits like that for home use. I'd be curious just to know if there was anything in those pills even if non-specific whilst waiting for wedinos results to come back.

I edited my post tho - I do see services and they are supposedly discussing benzo replacement therapy in the style of opioid replacement/substitution therapy but the way it was described is that it's still in the hypothetical stage. The nurse told me they have piss tests which can show exactly what benzo someone has in their urine and the idea is to prescribe based on that. Sounds like a great idea but I wouldn't be surprised if it is a long way away.

Chances of getting a script here without being in total WDs is super slim. It's amazing that they used to give them out like candy, probably causing this nation's problematic relationship with benzos a la America's opioid crisis and the role played by the oxycontin manufacturers/pushers and the doctors who acted like fuckin street pushers.

Some do specialise in tranquilizer tapering, there is one in London I personally know of, but you need to jump through loops and all to get their help. But it's going to have to be the only way forward with Benzos as you said. As detox, rehab doesn't work and going back to ones GP sometimes feels like going back to your abuser if one was prescribed Benzos by them.