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DXM Scraps & Redundancies
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I suggest you read the DXM FAQ by William White: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtmlKrisChris said:
It has (almost) all the info you'd ever need to know on DXM (including your question).
But in case you're too lazy to look it up, for middle first plateau:
57.5kg body weight: 115mg of DXM or 38ml of that syrup
72.5kg body weight: 145mg of DXM or 48ml of that syrup
BUT, if it's your very first time trying DXM, you should follow the directions in RFG's Beginner's Guide to DXM: http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/dxmguide.htm
Specifically, under the "So, I know the risks, and still want to use DXM recreationally. Now what?" section. In that section it explains that a small percentage of humans have a CYP2D6 enzyme deficiency which means you don't need nearly as much DXM to get high. RFG explains how to start with a small dose of DXM and gradually move up. This is so you don't accidentally overdose in case you are CYP2D6 deficient. Please read that section.
ToxicFerret
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Eh, I'd recommend you both aim for the second plateau, its a lot more fun to me.
myuniverse
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dxm is awesome
ive tripped around 10-15 times in the last month or so, and i must say: i have loved all of them except for one. i was under tremendous stress at the time of my one bad trip, but other than that i love it all. i recently took 550mg of dxm mixed with about 1/2 gallon of grapefruit juice to enhance the effects. i was swirling for about 7 hours. from about 9:00 pm to around 4AM, i loved it. everything was so peaceful and harmonic. the music was amazing, the lights and colors and stars were lovely, it was like heaven. coming down is even greater, when i awoke in the morning around 8AM i had the most wonderous afterglow, everything was even more peaceful than the night previous, and this lasted all day. i must say like previous posts, dxm is not for everyone, 1/3 do hate it, 1/3 love it (i included) and 1/3 grow to hate it. but all the negativity is not quite understood but i enjoy it, and others enjoy other things (acid, speed, shrooms etc. ) just find your source and enjoy it, be careful and have fun!
ive tripped around 10-15 times in the last month or so, and i must say: i have loved all of them except for one. i was under tremendous stress at the time of my one bad trip, but other than that i love it all. i recently took 550mg of dxm mixed with about 1/2 gallon of grapefruit juice to enhance the effects. i was swirling for about 7 hours. from about 9:00 pm to around 4AM, i loved it. everything was so peaceful and harmonic. the music was amazing, the lights and colors and stars were lovely, it was like heaven. coming down is even greater, when i awoke in the morning around 8AM i had the most wonderous afterglow, everything was even more peaceful than the night previous, and this lasted all day. i must say like previous posts, dxm is not for everyone, 1/3 do hate it, 1/3 love it (i included) and 1/3 grow to hate it. but all the negativity is not quite understood but i enjoy it, and others enjoy other things (acid, speed, shrooms etc. ) just find your source and enjoy it, be careful and have fun!
ToxicFerret
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Yeah, what S the deal with the grapefruit juice? I understand it makes the trip stronger but any other information would be nice.
VXGasAttack
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Personally, no damage at all and I was a heavy user of it. During my sprees of use, my thought process was kinda foggy; but nothing that seemed out of the ordinary.
But I was actually going to post something that has happened to me after all my usage that has detoured me after from ever touching it again.
The "magic" of DXM is gone. After doing it so much, and when I say much I mean atleast 50+ times, it just doesn't seem to great. I remember when I started out using it I'd down a bottle of robo and feel like a new born baby in the world. Everything was new, all experiences foreign therefore so much more fulfilling. Now, it's just a bland drug that makes me have unlimited energy at reasonable doses.
Sure, I can take a large amount(1000mg+) and trip(which isn't what I liked DXM for in the first place); but it's not an enjoyable thing. High doses just make me go into an inhuman state, almost zombie like, just taking in the world as the thing that I'm playing a part in. No trip, just a fucked up reality. I loved the DXM low-medium doses because of the clarity, uncharted territory, and just overall bliss it created.
I regret my obvious overuse of it only because DXM was the greatest drug when it worked it's ways, but I learned a lot during that time. It also prepared me for any adventure I wished to take on after it. I encounter the extreme lengths DXM could take a person, and it's almost equal in "messed-up-ness"(or a +4 with your scaled jabber) as anything else I've experienced.
*Side note: never experienced negative side effects like the itch,heat flashes; only the usual vomit but that never bothered me because puking on DXM was oddly enjoyable. Never seemed like a negative thing when happening, just that it was needed and didn't matter otherwise. DXM is probably why puking isn't so horrible to me anymore, experience makes you learn I suppose.
But I was actually going to post something that has happened to me after all my usage that has detoured me after from ever touching it again.
The "magic" of DXM is gone. After doing it so much, and when I say much I mean atleast 50+ times, it just doesn't seem to great. I remember when I started out using it I'd down a bottle of robo and feel like a new born baby in the world. Everything was new, all experiences foreign therefore so much more fulfilling. Now, it's just a bland drug that makes me have unlimited energy at reasonable doses.
Sure, I can take a large amount(1000mg+) and trip(which isn't what I liked DXM for in the first place); but it's not an enjoyable thing. High doses just make me go into an inhuman state, almost zombie like, just taking in the world as the thing that I'm playing a part in. No trip, just a fucked up reality. I loved the DXM low-medium doses because of the clarity, uncharted territory, and just overall bliss it created.
I regret my obvious overuse of it only because DXM was the greatest drug when it worked it's ways, but I learned a lot during that time. It also prepared me for any adventure I wished to take on after it. I encounter the extreme lengths DXM could take a person, and it's almost equal in "messed-up-ness"(or a +4 with your scaled jabber) as anything else I've experienced.
*Side note: never experienced negative side effects like the itch,heat flashes; only the usual vomit but that never bothered me because puking on DXM was oddly enjoyable. Never seemed like a negative thing when happening, just that it was needed and didn't matter otherwise. DXM is probably why puking isn't so horrible to me anymore, experience makes you learn I suppose.
andyE
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one day i decided to do dxm by downing a bottle of robbo, i picked a realy stupid time to do it.... maybe if someones wants to do it read and learn from my mistakes... i was sick and hung over, hadnt had enough sleep and was talked into it by friends i didnt trust. i drank a large bottle what ever amount that is and another half, im not a big person im about 65kg. after about an hour i felt it comming on and i freaked out i triied to stick anything down my thraot to make myself spew it up. after i gave into the fact it was in me and i just had to wait it out i went and lay down where i started to sweat and my heart raced, i talked myself into thinking i was fine which was good cause i started to feel alright after about 2 hours. then i lost my tounge i slurred and stuttered, and the sentenses i put togeather made no sense to anyone else but me. i walked like i was an old man lost my balance small step, and everytime i shut my eyes id be flying through space or floating down a river of laver and when they were open i could see about 5m and everything was bright and hazzy. hahah it was pretty insane and i didnt feel 100% for about another week the full on effect lasted about 8 hours. thats what i remember i was about 16 at the time and people are always telling me that dosent sound like dxm, but i stick to my story?
Grapefruit juice potentiates DXM by inhibiting certain cytochromes of the P450 liver enzyme. The P450 liver enzyme is responsible for converting DXM into DXO.ToxicFerret said:
GFJ not only strengthens the trip, it also lengthens the trip. Start with a lower dose of DXM than normal, and be prepared for a longer trip. GFJ is most effective if you drink it a few hours before you dose, then for an hour or two after you dose.
More info on GFJ + DXM here: http://www.dextroverse.org/Archives/grapefruit.txt
hydrobromide
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Is there any known (EASY) ways to convert DXM to DXO (outside of your body)? I'm still not sure if I prefer a higher DXM/DXO ratio like most of the DXM info suggests.
It would be very interesting to try both compounds separated a few weeks apart, to see which one gives which effects.
Does anyone have experience using this method of injesting 'pure' DXM HBr powder. I've heard conflicting opinions.
Does anyone have experience with different salts of DXM (HCl, ascorbate, etc.) or the freebase (which would probably turn into the HCl in the stomache)? Would this affect the rate of absorption? I'm assuming the different salts would have different soluablity levels in water, and that might affect how fast it would be absorped.
It would be very interesting to try both compounds separated a few weeks apart, to see which one gives which effects.
Does anyone have experience using this method of injesting 'pure' DXM HBr powder. I've heard conflicting opinions.
Does anyone have experience with different salts of DXM (HCl, ascorbate, etc.) or the freebase (which would probably turn into the HCl in the stomache)? Would this affect the rate of absorption? I'm assuming the different salts would have different soluablity levels in water, and that might affect how fast it would be absorped.
Dextromethorphan can be turned to Dextrophan HBr using hydrogen bromide and heat as a catalyst over the course of 2 hours with constant stirring. Hydrogen Iodide may also be used for the reaction. There is a fairly popular but incorrect document thats been floating around for sometime which discusses how to go about this with HCl . It goes on to detail a procedure with 1 gram of DXM powder and 37% or so HCl. This cannot be done since hydrogen chloride cannot cleave primary ethers of which dextromethorphan is. So since HI and HBr are controlled your going to need to synthesize them yourself. This isn't to hard but it can be dangerous if you oversaturate your solution(over 48% for HBR and 57% for HI) because the gases will have nowhere else to go exept into the air you breath. However this can be circumvented by hooking up another chamber in succession so that one will take over until the reaction has been carried to completion.
As far as adding PEG to DXM powder it is true. There is nearly always a significant decrease in absorption time. Adding a small amount of alcohol also does wonders especially in conjunction with PEG. You can buy different PEG's like PEG-400, etc.. and not have any worries.
Regarding the ingestion of the various possible salts of DXM. The ones made and tested so far are:
Citrate
HCl
Ascorbate
Freebase
HBr
Tried making an acetate but more concentrated acetic acid is necessary or one of the acetic acid derivatives. The following in order, illustrate the best to the worst in absorption profiles:
Citrate
HBr
Ascorbate
HCl
Freebase(lowest in consistency although this will vary due to individual gastral acidities)
If going about the citrate, which is recommended, buy it online, just type it in you'll find it eventually. It may be used as a food preserver or other food product. The Agent Lemon method is, IMO, inferior to using a couple grams of super cheap citric acid and distilled water and a few shakes.
As far as adding PEG to DXM powder it is true. There is nearly always a significant decrease in absorption time. Adding a small amount of alcohol also does wonders especially in conjunction with PEG. You can buy different PEG's like PEG-400, etc.. and not have any worries.
Regarding the ingestion of the various possible salts of DXM. The ones made and tested so far are:
Citrate
HCl
Ascorbate
Freebase
HBr
Tried making an acetate but more concentrated acetic acid is necessary or one of the acetic acid derivatives. The following in order, illustrate the best to the worst in absorption profiles:
Citrate
HBr
Ascorbate
HCl
Freebase(lowest in consistency although this will vary due to individual gastral acidities)
If going about the citrate, which is recommended, buy it online, just type it in you'll find it eventually. It may be used as a food preserver or other food product. The Agent Lemon method is, IMO, inferior to using a couple grams of super cheap citric acid and distilled water and a few shakes.
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stupid question but why would you want to... 8)
I've used DXM about 15 times I'd guess. I haven't noticed any lasting ill effects, although I have noticed the "magic" of the substance tends to disappear if you use the stuff frequently.
I took a single robo bottle dose 2 nights ago. I hadn't had any DXM since my last "binges" 2 months ago. That one bottle hit me faster and harder than ever before--partly because i've had a gastric bypass and the syrup went right into my small intestine within just a couple moments.
I've tripped before on a bottle and a half of robo, 40mg hydro, cannabis and nicotine. I also took some Tagament 45 min before the robo, and drank grapefruit juice about 2 hours before that.
Very intense trip, i'd say upper 3rd plateau. I was told I was "talking" to the floor. I barley remember much from the trip itself, but I do remember feeling like I had no body and that I existed in one with the universe as a non-coporial life form. Very cool feeling.
I can barley stand the smell of the syrup these days. I'm not into DXM enough to get powder...I think I'll stick to the robo cough gels or Dexalone caps.
I took a single robo bottle dose 2 nights ago. I hadn't had any DXM since my last "binges" 2 months ago. That one bottle hit me faster and harder than ever before--partly because i've had a gastric bypass and the syrup went right into my small intestine within just a couple moments.
I've tripped before on a bottle and a half of robo, 40mg hydro, cannabis and nicotine. I also took some Tagament 45 min before the robo, and drank grapefruit juice about 2 hours before that.
Very intense trip, i'd say upper 3rd plateau. I was told I was "talking" to the floor. I barley remember much from the trip itself, but I do remember feeling like I had no body and that I existed in one with the universe as a non-coporial life form. Very cool feeling.
I can barley stand the smell of the syrup these days. I'm not into DXM enough to get powder...I think I'll stick to the robo cough gels or Dexalone caps.
hydrobromide
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DaDornta said:
are you refering to hydrocodone? i've experienced (and read) that hydrocodone completely blocks DXM's effects.
i took 2 vicodin's perhaps an hour before taking 300mg of DXM and felt NO effects whatsoever from the DXM. if i can find a link that tells why this happens, I'll post it.
What I did was take the DXM and wait for it to start to kick in before I popped the hydro's. I'd say about 1/2 way through the "come up". I used a cold-water extraction to get rid of the APAP in the vic's.
I definatley noticed the opiate influence in my dex trip...It made me much more mellow trip. I then combined that with some fine cannabis and some niccotine right at the peak...
I definatley noticed the opiate influence in my dex trip...It made me much more mellow trip. I then combined that with some fine cannabis and some niccotine right at the peak...
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I've used DXM for about a total of 35 times or so. For a while I was doing it every other day. I started 7 months ago, which is when I was using it more often.
I use it about once or twice a month now, mainly just every two weeks.
If I could find someone that wants to trip with me and is cool about, I'd do it more often. LOL nobody wants to do that shit, and I'm talking about people who have done hard drugs and psychedelics. I'm sure it has to do with the fact that I'm asking people to drink cough syrup with me.
I haven't noticed any lasting effects. But when I was using it alot I was thinking differently, I was depressed alot too. When I didn't drink enough water my brain would feel fried for a little (like after a 2nd plat trip), but that's nothing a couple bottles of water wouldn't take care of.
I use it about once or twice a month now, mainly just every two weeks.
If I could find someone that wants to trip with me and is cool about, I'd do it more often. LOL nobody wants to do that shit, and I'm talking about people who have done hard drugs and psychedelics. I'm sure it has to do with the fact that I'm asking people to drink cough syrup with me.
I haven't noticed any lasting effects. But when I was using it alot I was thinking differently, I was depressed alot too. When I didn't drink enough water my brain would feel fried for a little (like after a 2nd plat trip), but that's nothing a couple bottles of water wouldn't take care of.
of all the drugs out there, i would say that DXM is one of the best.
at least in my 2 years of off/on using/binging, resulting in a coma from a 2g dose (which lead to my quitting DXM), i can say that it has FORCED me to respect it al times, and has given me some great times/experiences/insights as well.
i have found just as many people dont like it as people that do. alot of "us" find the trip very introspective, even moreso entertaining with some awesome CEV's. then again, alot of us dont like it because of those harsh afterglows (which, by the way, if thats the only reason you dont do it, you are such a pussy
).
personally, i dont believe most of the theories thrown around about brain damage, etc. i can see liver damage though. for example when i took that 2g dose. not all of it was digested, some just gets to rot my liver for awhile.
but i have heard people try and tell me that it turns your brain to a jelly like substance, that it causes brain cells to overheat, explode, and leave littles "holes" in your brain, etc.
i'll tell you about that 2g dose i took. i dont feel like explaining the trip, that would be a thread in itself, but i'll mention recovering from it all.
in the winter of 2003 started to dex more and more, eventually slipping into redosing binges. well, at the hieght of it all, i remember taking 450 mg's DXM, some little tryptamine sandwich being passed off as E, beer, and weed. well, the fake E, beer, and weed were new introductions to this binge, but i had been redosing and sleeping only when i couldnt stay awake any longer, redosing 2 hours after the intial dose, and 2 hours after that, etc for about a week now. i started with my standard 2 bottles of robogels, redosing with another 1 bottle. well, i got sick of swallowing +100 robogels a day, so i busted out my powder stash i was saving for summer.
DXM found in OTC medications and the powder form is sooo much different. i find it to actually be kind of suck ass compared to robogels... i think the reason for this is that the Robogels have certain chemicals like sorbitol and such help more DXM absorb into your system, where the powder can sit in your stomach for hours making for some loooooong ass trips that never really peak, and feel like one big fucking afterglow half the time.
anyway, back on topic, yeah, all the drugs and the constant redosing must have fucked me up good, because the last thing i remember was sitting in a very comfortable chair trying to play LOTR. this was about an hour after taking the fake E, and 6 beers, 1 grav. bong hit.
system overload!
yeah, i wake up in a hospital bed, strapped in, and wires all plugged in to me. i wanted to know how long i had been there. appearently, it had been 4 days. the whole time my heart rate was going from 50 BPM to fucking 160 BPM. when i first got there i was in a catatonic or coma like state, unresponsive pupils (prolly from the dex), and some sort of condition that had to do with me drinking too much water (dilluting the sodium in my blood).
but thats just the physical.
4 days after the fact, and im still tripping. well, it was different, because i awoke from a coma tripping, so it was like being born again. i know this sounds strange, but alot of wierd ideas and concepts were entering my mind that were so totally alien, yet i was accepting them as truth and reality (DXM can REALLY fuck with your sense of reality. not so that you look at it, laugh and say "wow what a trip" but so that you actually QUESTION your concept of reality and how correct it is.). so picture me as some wide eyed zealot experiencing the world for the first time, and embracing every idea as fact.
anyway, not only that, but im hearing voices (they called it "Substance Induced Schizophrenia"), im seeing shit.... long after i stopped dosing, long after.
so my point is, if i can come back from a 2g trip and schizophrenia, and being some starry eyed retard who cant talk or think straight, to feeling better than i did before i started binging, i dont think any brain damage has been done, or ever will be done. all the DXM molecule does is bind to the N-methyl D-asperate receptor and block it. now with recreational use (not binging), those receptors remain blocked for a little less than a day. so after seeing no brain damage from having those same receptors blocked for a week, and you want to suggest the casual dexxer is at risk of a "holly brain"?
pfft...
at least in my 2 years of off/on using/binging, resulting in a coma from a 2g dose (which lead to my quitting DXM), i can say that it has FORCED me to respect it al times, and has given me some great times/experiences/insights as well.
i have found just as many people dont like it as people that do. alot of "us" find the trip very introspective, even moreso entertaining with some awesome CEV's. then again, alot of us dont like it because of those harsh afterglows (which, by the way, if thats the only reason you dont do it, you are such a pussy
).personally, i dont believe most of the theories thrown around about brain damage, etc. i can see liver damage though. for example when i took that 2g dose. not all of it was digested, some just gets to rot my liver for awhile.
but i have heard people try and tell me that it turns your brain to a jelly like substance, that it causes brain cells to overheat, explode, and leave littles "holes" in your brain, etc.
i'll tell you about that 2g dose i took. i dont feel like explaining the trip, that would be a thread in itself, but i'll mention recovering from it all.
in the winter of 2003 started to dex more and more, eventually slipping into redosing binges. well, at the hieght of it all, i remember taking 450 mg's DXM, some little tryptamine sandwich being passed off as E, beer, and weed. well, the fake E, beer, and weed were new introductions to this binge, but i had been redosing and sleeping only when i couldnt stay awake any longer, redosing 2 hours after the intial dose, and 2 hours after that, etc for about a week now. i started with my standard 2 bottles of robogels, redosing with another 1 bottle. well, i got sick of swallowing +100 robogels a day, so i busted out my powder stash i was saving for summer.
DXM found in OTC medications and the powder form is sooo much different. i find it to actually be kind of suck ass compared to robogels... i think the reason for this is that the Robogels have certain chemicals like sorbitol and such help more DXM absorb into your system, where the powder can sit in your stomach for hours making for some loooooong ass trips that never really peak, and feel like one big fucking afterglow half the time.
anyway, back on topic, yeah, all the drugs and the constant redosing must have fucked me up good, because the last thing i remember was sitting in a very comfortable chair trying to play LOTR. this was about an hour after taking the fake E, and 6 beers, 1 grav. bong hit.
system overload!
yeah, i wake up in a hospital bed, strapped in, and wires all plugged in to me. i wanted to know how long i had been there. appearently, it had been 4 days. the whole time my heart rate was going from 50 BPM to fucking 160 BPM. when i first got there i was in a catatonic or coma like state, unresponsive pupils (prolly from the dex), and some sort of condition that had to do with me drinking too much water (dilluting the sodium in my blood).
but thats just the physical.
4 days after the fact, and im still tripping. well, it was different, because i awoke from a coma tripping, so it was like being born again. i know this sounds strange, but alot of wierd ideas and concepts were entering my mind that were so totally alien, yet i was accepting them as truth and reality (DXM can REALLY fuck with your sense of reality. not so that you look at it, laugh and say "wow what a trip" but so that you actually QUESTION your concept of reality and how correct it is.). so picture me as some wide eyed zealot experiencing the world for the first time, and embracing every idea as fact.
anyway, not only that, but im hearing voices (they called it "Substance Induced Schizophrenia"), im seeing shit.... long after i stopped dosing, long after.
so my point is, if i can come back from a 2g trip and schizophrenia, and being some starry eyed retard who cant talk or think straight, to feeling better than i did before i started binging, i dont think any brain damage has been done, or ever will be done. all the DXM molecule does is bind to the N-methyl D-asperate receptor and block it. now with recreational use (not binging), those receptors remain blocked for a little less than a day. so after seeing no brain damage from having those same receptors blocked for a week, and you want to suggest the casual dexxer is at risk of a "holly brain"?
pfft...
Blowmonkey said:
alright thanks for the heads-up. Assuming this new lowww dose doesnt do much for me, when is the next time i can try dxm again with perhaps a slightly larger dose?
edit: just took 90mg dxm via robitussin. I hope I feel it... but better safe than sorry i guess, right?
thanks
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