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Drugs, a question for everyone.

QUOTE=Ismene;11839454]It depends which drugs - being an intravenous heroin user is a very different use of drugs to tripping on mushrooms once a month.

[/QUOTE]I don't know whether people who use drugs are anymore damaged than non-drug user. There's a big, easy argument that everyone uses when they get arrested "I use drugs because I'm damaged" in the desperate hope that some fucking pig-ignorant..er..pig..and judge will go easy on you. Or if your parents catch you taking drugs it's easy to say "Oh I'm damaged". I don't think drug users are anymore damaged thany anyone else. It's in the media too - you don't often get people saying "I take drugs, I enjoy them, I have no problem". It's always someone saying "I can't handle life". Obviously that's the image that takes hold because it's forbidden to portray drugs in a positive light in any mainstream media.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]Drug users just enjoy taking drugs - like some people enjoy playing rugby or others enjoy climbing mountains. Are you damaged if you enjoy risking your life climbing a mountain?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, had to copy and paste a few previous quotes from previous posters as I think they hit the nail on the head, wouldnt let me copy directly.



Ok my stance on your question....

Obviously, some very clued up people on here just like when I first joined in 2000 under another username(what username that was, I canny remember)

I like drugs and drugs like me:), nah, seriously tho, I started taking drugs to escape because of a childhood horror that came back to bite me on the arse from when I was 9,the seriousness hit me when I was 14. Only drink and do coke nowadays tho.
Would I have done drugs otherwise? probably. Going to raves and shit in the 90s ya most probably had a few sweeties in ya pocket to dance the night away with certainly enhanced it.

Back to the subject - All people take drugs, from whatever background, rich, poor, toffee nose, rough as a badgers arse people, working class, middle class, up ya own arse class, drugs can be fun but can fuck you up no matter whether ya damaged or not.
 
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I could quote the lot of you here. What came first the chicken or the egg?

for one, the term drugs is very loos. I know I've sat with the family and their friends in Ireland and they have spoken of people madon the drugs, or places that are full of drugs . then you say, ah right, what drugs? then they look at you all puzzled and go "drugs" it's such a vague and misleading term.

Speaking personally, I really like myself these days and do not know whether i would have reached this stage of self love without the gear. i had self loathing before I did gear yes, but i also had self love before i did the gear.

I know damaged souls who could deffo do with a dose of some chemical or other but they would never touch them.

It's life really, the big ole journey, it's either part of the journey or not.
 
the bold one said:
Do drugs generally damage you or are damaged people drawn to drugs in the first place? Thoughts
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I'm more interested into why you ask this type of christmas cracker question?!

Bit of both perhaps?...horses for courses?...different strokes, different folks? nature or nuture?...or just good old 50 / 50 ?

The truth is not out there, and it sure-as-shit ain't here :D
 
I hear some damaged people are drawn to psychiatric hospitals too. And they can really fuck you up.

The premise of the question is shit. Falling straight into the trap of drugs=fuck up, just like your rulers would want you to.

Did drugs damage Albert Hoffman? Was Aldous Huxley drawn to drugs because of some childhood trauma?

Bollocks. Most people take drugs to enjoy themselves. Even "the damaged who are drawn to drugs" take drugs initially at least to enjoy themselves. Then they read the media, or shit threads like this, and "realize" they aren't actually enjoying themselves at all! Bring on the paranoia! Bring on the police! Mental home is that way!

Take LSD, make love.

Drugs don't bring damage. They bring conflict. Taking drugs is totally at odds with the dominant culture. You lose your safety net of 'normality', of being with the majority. That's where your damage and paranoia come from, not from the drugs.
 
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If you consider booze, nicotine, caffiene, paracetamol, gambling, porn and religion to be drugs then the whole adult population is damaged.
 
justinsayno said:
If you consider booze, nicotine, caffiene, paracetamol, gambling, porn and religion to be drugs then the whole adult population is damaged.
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Paracetamol being the exception, as it has no mental effects, I totally agree. Gambling can ruin a person's life, just like drug abuse can. Gambling in moderation is fine, as are drugs. I'm willing to bet gambling can trigger dormant mental health issues. Don't get me started on how damaging religion can be. Maybe that's for the Theology thread...
 
knock said:
The people I know who seem least "damaged" are youngsters. But that was me too, all those years ago. It's just a matter of time.
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Having kids has changed my perception on life and drugs. When they are real little they are so innocent and make the most out of any situation. Then they grow up.

As we age we become less innocent and loose our ability to just be happy with being ourselves. All humans damage themselves as they age, whether intentionalor not, in different ways whether it be drugs, gambling, bring lazy, risk taking... Whatever. Basically living life is damaging. Time is damaging.

The story of the universe is an example of this I think. A teaching, much like the bible or any other story...

Basically we are born. As we age we fall apart. Once we get passed the half way point we begin to loose ourselves to old age and become baby like in some ways again. Then we die. Then we are reborn again (possibly).

Sound familar ? The universe was born in the big bang (going with one theory as there are many...). It started expanding and creating... Growing. As it aged more entropy exists. Then expansion slows, stops and reverses. The universe collapses in on itself and dies only to be reborn again in another big bang.

So just live... If drugs are your thing then do drugs. Society will frown on you in one way or another no matter who you are anyways.
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
Basically we are born. As we age we fall apart. Once we get passed the half way point we begin to loose ourselves to old age and become baby like in some ways again. Then we die. Then we are reborn again (possibly).

Sound familar ? The universe was born in the big bang (going with one theory as there are many...). It started expanding and creating... Growing. As it aged more entropy exists. Then expansion slows, stops and reverses. The universe collapses in on itself and dies only to be reborn again in another big bang.
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I thought recent accepted theory (as in the past year recent) was that the universe was expanding and would continue to do so? Presuming that is the case, I expect therefore to live forever, distributing squirrel pictures freely for eternity.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Bollocks. Most people take drugs to enjoy themselves. Even "the damaged who are drawn to drugs" take drugs initially at least to enjoy themselves. Then they read the media, or shit threads like this, and "realize" they aren't actually enjoying themselves at all! Bring on the paranoia! Bring on the police! Mental home is that way!
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I see your point, but it's as much of an over-generalisation as the premise that 'drugs damage you'. It's a generalisation that will appeal to more people on this forum, sure, but it's still a massive generalisation.

There are certain groups of people who are more susceptible to substance use / abuse / misuse (pick whichever one you want) because of underlying mental health conditions. Fact. Granted, it's probably a small percentage of those who use drugs, but it's a very real phenomenon. People with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder for example (neither of which are media panics, though I imagine you have your own views on that subject) are far more likely to mask their symptoms with drugs, be it alcohol or something more illegal. This often complicates diagnosis, and in many cases can lead to the kind of 'drugs did this to me' conclusions which you allude to.

I didn't start using drugs (other than alcohol) until my symptoms began to interrupt my daily life and I desperately sought something with which to alleviate them. I wasn't interested in them prior to that. I thought they were for hippies and thick people.

Okay, maybe there's an argument that relief from symptoms consitutes 'enjoying oneself' (though it's a piss-weak argument), but I only came to drugs because I simply couldn't enjoy the things that I used to.

Yes, a lot of pure hedonism followed this as I discovered just what I'd been missing, but most of my use fits a classic, well-established pattern. Hence the fact that at no point has my psychiatrist even hinted that my problems were 'caused by drugs'.

Maybe this thread could have been better-conceived, but this kind of black and white thinking is part of what kept me from facing up to my problems and seeking treatment for so long, and causing irreparable damage to my life as a result.

If you want to tell me that my condition is imaginary and a construct of the media or my own paranoia, then please go ahead. But you'd be talking utter bollocks if you did.

Complex issue? Definitely.
 
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Sammy G said:
If you want to tell me that my condition is imaginary and a construct of the media or my own paranoia, then please go ahead. But you'd be talking utter bollocks if you did.

Complex issue? Definitely.
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I love it when people put words in your mouth then tell you you're talking bollocks. 8(

You'll note I said 'most people'. Perhaps leaving leeway for the 'very small percentage' you talk of.

And yes, relatively, relief from symptoms constitutes enjoying oneself. The point being most people don't do drugs, or anything, because its bad or is going to fuck them up. They jump off bridges or lay down in roads for that.
 
Sammy G said:
Would you prefer it if you were able to get the same feeling of relief from a swim, or from playing a musical instrument?
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yes, natural highs are better. They are real, and earnt. To an extent i get them from driving fast on country roads with music blaring, pushing the car hard round corners, cycling, hiking in beautiful places, nature, movies, sex, relationships, playing pool. Yeah there are other ways of getting there.
 
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