Drugs, a question for everyone.

[kingme]

yes, natural highs are better. They are real, and earnt. To an extent i get them from driving fast on country roads with music blaring, pushing the car hard round corners, cycling, hiking in beautiful places, nature, movies, sex, relationships, playing pool. Yeah there are other ways of getting there.

qft
dont forget cooking and eating. and a cool drink by the beach

 

[Sammy G]

You'll note I said 'most people'. Perhaps leaving leeway for the 'very small percentage' you talk of.

Well maybe you should have made it clearer that you recognise there are exceptions, because this:

Even "the damaged who are drawn to drugs" take drugs initially at least to enjoy themselves. Then they read the media, or shit threads like this, and "realize" they aren't actually enjoying themselves at all! Bring on the paranoia! Bring on the police! Mental home is that way!

... doesn't seem to acknowledge that there are any. Quite the opposite in fact. Can you see where I'm coming from? Or are you excluding that percentage from "the damaged who are drawn to drugs"?

They jump off bridges or lay down in roads for that.

Ho, ho, ho. I'm glad my near-death by number 42 bus gave you an opportunity to make a snide comment. Very classy. Did that make you feel good? Or are you going to tell me it was sheer coincidence?

Whatever. Knock yourself out. I did.

Maybe my post was a little strong, but read the quote above and maybe you'll see why I believed you were over-generalising. Or maybe you won't. Your call. But there's no need to be so shitty about it.

 

[Tangerine Dream]

I don't do drugs I am drugs.

Nah... I don't know really. It's a vicious cycle really. I wouldn't have any need to take drugs daily if I was truly happy. I've just stopped caring at this point. As long as I can hold down life and a job and not hurt others I'm content being high, drunk or countless over 'high's' each day. Stops me thinking which I do to the point of driving myself mad sometimes... Not including recent events either. If it doesn't hurt anyone is self medication such a bad thing?

 

[Ismene]

yes, natural highs are better. They are real, and earnt.

Bit Oliver Cromwell this isn't it buddy? The idea that pleasure must be "earned"?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Bollocks. Most people take drugs to enjoy themselves.

Oh look Sam, you missed the opening line out.

Ho, ho, ho. I'm glad my near-death by number 42 bus gave you an opportunity to make a snide comment. Very classy. Did that make you feel good? Or are you going to tell me it was sheer coincidence?

Whatever. Knock yourself out. I did.

Maybe my post was a little strong, but read the quote above and maybe you'll see why I believed you were over-generalising. Or maybe you won't. Your call. But there's no need to be so shitty about it.

No it wasn't a coincidence. It was an example of what people do when they want something bad to happen. Which is generally, generally, generally, generally, the opposite kinda thing to drug taking.

I didn't belittle it. But if you're going to be open about it, I'm not going to ignore it. One minute you're being all coy about what you've got, the next your typing links to Wikipedia pages about it.

You tell me which playing field to use.

I wasn't being shitty. Not how you imply anyway.

 

[justinsayno]

Bit Oliver Cromwell this isn't it buddy? The idea that pleasure must be "earned"?

Isn't life better when the right balance between work and pleasure is achieved ?

Who is happier an idle rich kid with all the toys, drugs, pretty friends and exclusive night clubs at their finger tips and no responsibilities to stop the fun, or a working class kid who loves their trainers to bits because they worked long and hard for them and only has a binge on pay day ?
Whats better training hard and climbing a mountain or checking out the view on google earth ?
I appreciate that the work ethic and puritanism has often been as a way of getting us plebs to be grateful for the scraps that trickle down to us, but there is something to be said for earning pleasure.
Delayed gratification n all that ?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Instant ftw.

But climbing is cool.

 

[Sammy G]

Oh look Sam, you missed the opening line out.

The one where you don't specifically mention 'damaged people'? As opposed to the bit where you do?

Sorry, but that's weaker than a vicar's piss.

I didn't belittle it. But if you're going to be open about it, I'm not going to ignore it. One minute you're being all coy about what you've got, the next your typing links to Wikipedia pages about it.

You tell me which playing field to use.

I wasn't being shitty. Not how you imply anyway.

Didn't realise there was a protocol regarding deep personal revelations. Was I supposed to scream it from the hilltops? Maybe Saturday scared me. Should've known that someone would use it against me, and I'd like to say I'm surprised it was you but I'd be lying.

In any case, you were being a total dick.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Bit Oliver Cromwell this isn't it buddy? The idea that pleasure must be "earned"?

Justinsayno came up with a better reply than i can think of at the moment. I'm going through a stage of re-evaluating and re-adjusting, and havent quite got my new bearings fixed yet. That's all i can say for the now.

Its allright for all you folks who manage to keep your use recreational, or arent troubled by your use, or letting things get out of control. I used to be like the former, am hopefully coming out of the latter, and can then take time out to think about even taking up the former again. This state of affairs is gonna be putting me at odds with a lot of people, so there might be times when it is best for me to stay away, just like Pagey is planning.

 

[Raasyvibe]

I think personality is a big aspect to consider.

Some people just love drug experimentation and getting off their trollies. Others find them really unappealing. No big psychological explanation for it. Just the way some people are

 

[Ismene]

Whats better training hard and climbing a mountain or checking out the view on google earth ?
I appreciate that the work ethic and puritanism has often been as a way of getting us plebs to be grateful for the scraps that trickle down to us, but there is something to be said for earning pleasure.
Delayed gratification n all that ?

I dunno about climbing the mountain - that sounds dangerous - but yeah the view is better in nature than the computer screen.

As for delayed gratification, sure take drugs once every 18 months if you like. Drugs were the only thing that helped my depression and grief after losing a loved one. Buddhism etc were a complete waste of time for me. I think the key difference is drugs actually work - so you find out within an hour or so. You can spend 50 years studying buddhism and find at the end that it was a load of bollocks.

I'm talking about psychedelics here by the way - they're in a class by themselves.

Its allright for all you folks who manage to keep your use recreational, or arent troubled by your use, or letting things get out of control.

True, it helps if your drug use is recreational. I think the addiction thing is a different question - perhaps most chronic drug addicts are damaged people. Like I'd say George Best and most chronic alcoholics are damaged but I wouldn't say anyone who likes a glass of wine with lunch is damaged.

 

[pinkpapaver]

yes, natural highs are better. They are real, and earnt. To an extent i get them from driving fast on country roads with music blaring, pushing the car hard round corners, cycling, hiking in beautiful places, nature, movies, sex, relationships, playing pool. Yeah there are other ways of getting there.

you mean like the one promoted by this horrible little man. churns it out year on year. block bookings to schools. this covers the drugz education in school.
aming money out of drugs still "I decided i wanted to do something different to drugs. He's just a daft performer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgrerQKU1sE

 

[knock]

I think the good feeling you get from a real achievement that took hard work and dedication can last a lifetime. You can look back on some things with pride, "I did that!" and a drug high isn't going to compete with that.

On the other hand, I can look back at certain drug achievements, like my first 80mg MXE with low tolerance, and think "I did that!" and I survived. Kinda proud of the resilience of my brain too.

There's no easy answer to this shit.

 

[pinkpapaver]

yeh, I like to think "wow, i've kind of held it all together and had a full time h habit house and son amd kind of feel proud of that like I'm some kind of suoer woman. The best natural high I get is playing my tin whistle in a session. there's something about that.

 

[Raasyvibe]

I think the good feeling you get from a real achievement that took hard work and dedication can last a lifetime. You can look back on some things with pride, "I did that!" and a drug high isn't going to compete with that.

On the other hand, I can look back at certain drug achievements, like my first 80mg MXE with low tolerance, and think "I did that!" and I survived. Kinda proud of the resilience of my brain too.

There's no easy answer to this shit.

lol

 

[mydrugbuddy]

you mean like the one promoted by this horrible little man. churns it out year on year. block bookings to schools. this covers the drugz education in school.
aming money out of drugs still "I decided i wanted to do something different to drugs. He's just a daft performer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgrerQKU1sE

it was half an hour long and looked boring as fuck so i didnt listen to it. I dont mean to sound smart arsey but i meant what i said, not waht that guy on the video that i havent watched said.

Dont get me wrong, as you probably know i like my drugs, in fact i like them too much, thats the problem, and thats why im trying to start living at least a slightly more balanced, and less one dimensional life again.

I had that only 2 years ago. I'm not turning anti-drugs im just trying to redress the balance.

 

[opiaterock]

It depends which drugs - being an intravenous heroin user is a very different use of drugs to tripping on mushrooms once a month.

This is quite a dangerous distinction to make and/or conclusion to come to.. I have done both and can say hand on heart that I am far more afraid of the damage that psychedelic drugs including psilocybin mushrooms can have on your mental state than I am afraid of the damage that opiate abuse does.

I have, on at least 3-4 occasions, been intensely paranoid and possibly in a state of temporary psychosis from the use of, especially mushrooms, but also other psychedlic drugs like 2cbs & some batches of supposed ecstasy tablets...I had social anxiety (still have to an extent) that was exacerbated by these drugs - what I am saying is that everyone is different and these drugs can be extremely dangerous for some people. I know that the acute pyshcosis these drugs cause wears off after the drug does but there is a lingering effect that lasts much longer

I would never take another psychedelic drug as long as I live but I will take smack and smoke crack like a proper fiend when it's available

My points is that even us drug users have been conditioned into thinking that mushrooms and other trippy drugs are safe in comparison to 'hard' drugs but it is my personal experience that some of the soft drugs do more damage

 

[opiaterock]

Take LSD, make love.

Drugs don't bring damage. They bring conflict. Taking drugs is totally at odds with the dominant culture. You lose your safety net of 'normality', of being with the majority. That's where your damage and paranoia come from, not from the drugs.

This is not 100% true BHM, certain drugs have chemical reactions in the brain that paranoia is a chemical inducedside-effect of... so it not caused strictly by external factors / stimuli / thoughts etc..

 

[opiaterock]

yes, natural highs are better. They are real, and earnt. To an extent i get them from driving fast on country roads with music blaring, pushing the car hard round corners, cycling, hiking in beautiful places, nature, movies, sex, relationships, playing pool. Yeah there are other ways of getting there.

One of the worst things about abusing opiates is the dulling of these 'natural' highs... Like when your team is in the Champions League final and you're only getting 60% of the buzz that you should be on. That suck and that is a moment in time you can never get back to experience it again

 

[Raasyvibe]

This is not 100% true BHM, certain drugs have chemical reactions in the brain that paranoia is a chemical inducedside-effect of... so it not caused strictly by external factors / stimuli / thoughts etc..

It's SHM, not BHM. BHM is BlindHelperMonkey... a vicious, yet quite amusing poster that's gone AWOL. See, OpiateRock perfectly exemplifying his point by showing us some of that drug induced damage.