Dreams

[lady grey]

I think dreams are your subconscious's way of working through thing's that you go through in your day to day life. There are a billion dreams that are insignificant and shouldn't be read into but if your having a recurring dream or there are certain dreams that stick out to you then i think they probably have a meaning.

I once had a dream when i was a lot younger that i still believe to this day was warning me of something that i already knew. It was like i wouldn't face it so my dreams brought it up in a way that i had to face it. So i definatly think that there are some dream's that should not be ignored.

I don't actually remember a lot of my dreams these days. On the odd occasion i do though, they are usually quiet intense.

 

[rm2x]

I get sleep Paralysis fairly regularly too. Sometimes it feels like something is trying to pull me down through the bed. Scary stuff

It usually happens to me as I'm falling asleep but I've had it coming out of REM too.

I get it a fair bit too. Not the funnest of things.
Sometimes I'll just sense something evil, or I'll hear whispers, other times I'll hear the darkest electronic music I've ever heard.
Felt scracthing on me, saw my hands turn into spiders too lol (no I'm not mad lol)

I've found over the past few years that it seems to be triggered either if I have taken mdma in the past 6 months, or when I am under alot of stress.

Learnt how to control it to a certain point though, I try to make myself "fly" away from the "danger"

 

[ValeTudo]

VT's guide to PTSD/Sleep Paralysis
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* Regimented sleep pattern (definite bed & wakeup time)
* No restrictive clothing to bed
* No violent films or television before bed
* Do the "right things" before & after any drug use

 

[rm2x]

Regimented sleep pattern is a definite to help with it, but I generally sleep naked, watch too many violent/horror flicks, and don't really do drugs anymore

 

[Riot Grrrl]

^^ I'm sure we've had a convo about this before rm2x

I dreamt i got a tattoo last night.
Meaning = Time to get a new piercing and kill that tattoo urge

 

[rm2x]

we have indeed miss Riot I think it actually happened one night when we were kicking it brisbane style

I dreamt I drank a cap of GHB last night, after I spilt a red vodka drink all over the place

woke up almost laughing though, was quite odd

not sure how the word "girl" fit into that hahahaha

 

[drEaMtiMe*@#]

people who say that dreams are nothing but your subconscious sorting through shit, i believe need to become a little less close minded in this particular area.

just because you've never personally experienced any other type of dream other than the regular sorting through your subconscious kind, does not mean that there aren’t other people out there who may have a whole bunch of other types of dreams, including the prophetic kind.

honestly, it astounds me how some highly intelligent people can be so close minded when it comes to anything outside their own physical realm, and not only that but be so arrogant as to in turn state with out most certainty that they are correct on this matter, and that anybody who thinks differently is delusional at best, and stupid at worst.

just because you can't see something, does it mean it's not there or that it's not real? no. we base our realities on our four main sense, this is correct. but at least try and be objective enough and acknowledge that although i have never had any dreams that i would deem as prophetic etc, i can't dismiss the possibility that there might be some people out there that do experience irregular occurrences in term of their dreams/other which i perhaps don't.

after all, just as we’re not all born geniuses like albert einstein or oscar wilde; the list goes on… maybe we aren’t all born with the same ‘other’ talents or capabilities or whatever you want to call them either.

 

[lostpunk5545]

On behalf of the scientific community I would like to say:

Yes to your rhetorical question which you already answered.

Oh and I walked on water last night. Did you see it? No? Then prove it didn't happen.

 

[lostpunk5545]

I get it a fair bit too. Not the funnest of things.
Sometimes I'll just sense something evil, or I'll hear whispers, other times I'll hear the darkest electronic music I've ever heard.
Felt scracthing on me, saw my hands turn into spiders too lol (no I'm not mad lol)

I've found over the past few years that it seems to be triggered either if I have taken mdma in the past 6 months, or when I am under alot of stress.

Learnt how to control it to a certain point though, I try to make myself "fly" away from the "danger"

I've heard a few people say that they experience it related to drug use.

I've had it off and on all my life regardless of drug use, starting as a young child. I get it every night for a few nights and then not again for a few months.

I've read that sleeping on your back can make you more prone to it (I can't sleep any other way), but that's of course not the whole story, just part of it.

It's fucking weird and scary though. I have never felt anything in waking life that gives me the same evil and malevolent sense. I've heard people say just go with it, but just going with it for me only intensifies the feeling until I have to force myself awake, which is pretty hard but I've gotten relatively adept at it.

I also think I would experience it a lot more frequently but my mind can subconsciously snap me out of it nowadays, as sometimes I feel it coming on and kind of click out of it.

Could it be Satan trying to claim me dreamtime?

 

[drugfukkdrockstar]

people who say that dreams are nothing but your subconscious sorting through shit, i believe need to become a little less close minded in this particular area.

just because you've never personally experienced any other type of dream other than the regular sorting through your subconscious kind, does not mean that there aren’t other people out there who may have a whole bunch of other types of dreams, including the prophetic kind.

honestly, it astounds me how some highly intelligent people can be so close minded when it comes to anything outside their own physical realm, and not only that but be so arrogant as to in turn state with out most certainty that they are correct on this matter, and that anybody who thinks differently is delusional at best, and stupid at worst.

just because you can't see something, does it mean it's not there or that it's not real? no. we base our realities on our four main sense, this is correct. but at least try and be objective enough and acknowledge that although i have never had any dreams that i would deem as prophetic etc, i can't dismiss the possibility that there might be some people out there that do experience irregular occurrences in term of their dreams/other which i perhaps don't.

after all, just as we’re not all born geniuses like albert einstein or oscar wilde; the list goes on… maybe we aren’t all born with the same ‘other’ talents or capabilities or whatever you want to call them either.

Thank you so much for saying this. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[lostpunk5545]

I could have.

 

[drugfukkdrockstar]

When do you ever?

 

[drEaMtiMe*@#]

Could it be Satan trying to claim me dreamtime?

firstly. fuck off. the fact that you’ve automatically pegged me as a christian or catholic for what i said above - which (fyi) i am not - i do not ascribe to any religion and i also don’t attempt to impose my personal views on others - i can say what i think or feel about certain things but it’s up to others to make up their own minds about them, is your first claim to fame for making my above comment about peoples short sightedness on this issue accurate.

secondly. when i said “see” i wasn’t necessarily talking about the things that you can literally see. for example, some writers have great insight into humanity, they see things in a way that the majority of the population can’t. does it hence mean that before you yourself became aware of these aspects of which they speak, that they did not exist? NO. to you, at the time, yes. but outside of yourself and on a universal level, NO. before einstein came up with the theory of relativity did space and time actually function in a different manner than what it does now, or how it will when some other guy comes along an tries to disprove his theory? NO. do you, lostpunk, exist even though i can’t see you now, and have never met you? exsetahrah.

what you do however obviously need is to be slapped in the face with the facts before you start believeing in something, don't you?

and lastly, here’s a few quotes from einstein on these sort of things that i like:

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

 

[lostpunk5545]

I'm not unfamiliar with your posts, and I certainly have not pegged you as a Christian, in fact I respect you quite a lot. I'm just making the point that prophetic dreams, in the sense that some mysterious force (etc.) is showing you the future, is no more intelligible to me than religious teachings.

It's not about being slapped in the face with facts, it's about reading from enough credible sources, until the most logical solution is presented to you. Rather than acting on 'belief' or 'faith' which are nothing more than having cute fantasies and then pretending they are fact.

And who made Einstein the queen bee of existential theory? His maths was pretty solid, if somewhat outdated nowadays, but that doesn't mean every time he opened his mouth and started meandering on about something that I have to accept it as fact.

I'm a firm believer in the awe and majestical experiences of the mysterious. However nothing's stopping you from looking in a book and finding that the mysterious is a function of something no less wondrous.

Therefore yes, until you can prove to me in any sense, or point me in the right direction to someone who can, I'll call bullshit on prophetic dreams. Nostradamus can suck my knob.

If being close minded means I don't have to believe in every word any lunatic says, then hurrah I'm close minded, and thank fuck.

Random kick arse unrelated quote from Vision:

You know, everybody's always sayin'
you're really close minded,
you only listen to one type of music,
you only go to one type of show,
and I say well you know what?
This is the type of music that we grew up on,
this is the type of
music that we play, punk rock is our way of life,
it's how we choose
to live, and everyone else's opinion is worth nothing,
don't worry
about what I listen to, worry about your own life,
cause I'm not gunna
change for you, or anyone,
I can't help it if you dont like it, and it's up
to me if I don't wanna listen to anything else,
it's what's in our blood,
it flows through our veins,
so save your breath cuz' we're here to stay

 

[drEaMtiMe*@#]

what more did we have to hold on to than our own belief that the earth is not in fact flat, until it was proven?

 

[lostpunk5545]

The Earth was proven not flat because some fucker actually went out and had a look around.

Hence the non-prophetic dream thing. I'm sure we'd be seing more lottery wins if it existed.

Isn't the human mind magical and awe inspiring enough without trying to add non existent dimensions to it?

 

[drEaMtiMe*@#]

that's my point, though. some people must have just had a feeling (maybe even a dream about it) that the earth couldn't be flat cos it didn't make sense to them, and it wasn't until that fucker went and had a look himself that those persons feelings became a proven reality. hence belief in the presently unknown and unseen coming into effect and viable to other areas of this conversation too.

 

[Benefit]

that's my point, though. some people must have just had a feeling (maybe even a dream about it) that the earth couldn't be flat cos it didn't make sense to them, and it wasn't until that fucker went and had a look himself that those persons feelings became a proven reality. hence belief in the presently unknown and unseen coming into effect and viable to other areas of this conversation too.

Wait... what????

You're saying Mankind discovered the Earth was in fact round because some "fucker" had a dream or premonition about it, then went to investigate??? Not only is that a gross oversimplification of historical fact, but it is a nonsensical analogy that does nothing for your argument.

You're really taking the concepts being floated here and crossing your wires. What us skeptics are asking for is proof. Proof of the paranormal. Proof of these mystical connections. Proof that there is something greater than ourselves, something we can't see or feel or test for that is connecting all the dots. But of course, there is no proof.

People who believe in fairies and astrology and mystical transcendent presences and telepathy... all I ask for is the proof. As soon as you show me a shred of verifiable evidence, I will gladly jump on the bandwagon. But for now, the only sensible explanation for why you dream what you dream, is that it is your mind sorting through a series of subconscious spasms. There is a verifiable, observable scientific basis for this theory, one where the results can be duplicated. Until you can apply that same set of criteria to your "belief" in the magic power of dreams... then you have nothing. That is a fact. There is no debating it.

 

[lostpunk5545]

When do you ever?

Pretty much every time I respond to something ridiculous you post.

Someone had to pay attention in Year 8 science and I feel it is my duty to educate you for the good of humanity.

 

[drugfukkdrockstar]

Keep talking yourself up dude.