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Does xtc cause holes in the brain?

F1n1shed said:
I have to agree with LSDMDMA&AMP that MDMA is far worse for you dose by dose than Meth amphetamine. Thing is the Methamphetamine life style can turn a whole lot shittier quicker, and people get into routines with using meth much faster than MDMA. How ever strictly speaking of taking JUST 1 dose of MDMA or Meth in a year, the MDMA would have caused more damage to your brain and cognition than the meth. Meth acts more primarily on the dopamine system which is much more resilient than the serotonin system which MDMA primarily works on (much more fragile). Not only that the spike of neurotransmitters MDMA releases at once is greater than methamphetamine, and once most of your serotonin is cleared out in your brain dopamine gets oxidized in the serotonin receptors which should never happens unless administered MDMA. One more thing to add is as you guys know a lot of the e pills' have amphetamine and meth cut into it which drastically increases neurotoxic affects ( as stated increase of dopamine while rolling is bad because they get pushed into the serotonin receptors , a big no no)
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You can't really evaluate drugs in this way. If you did then H would be one of the safest drugs around, when that's obviously not the case. You have to consider lifestyle issues as well. Neurotoxicity is largely a red herring when evaluating how dangerous a particular drug is for you.

I am pretty sure the proportion of casual MDMA users to etards is much higher than similar comparison for meth/H users.
 
albany_force said:
Parkinsons could also be developed after just one use.
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Instant Parkinsons is something that occurs with MPTP. MPTP was the grand cautionary tale of "designer drugs". It is not a relative of ecstasy at all. It was a big boon for Parkinsons research though.
 
levictus said:
You can't really evaluate drugs in this way. If you did then H would be one of the safest drugs around, when that's obviously not the case. You have to consider lifestyle issues as well. Neurotoxicity is largely a red herring when evaluating how dangerous a particular drug is for you.

I am pretty sure the proportion of casual MDMA users to etards is much higher than similar comparison for meth/H users.
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Well i did consider life style issues and noted that methamphetamine users most always use more often which leads to addiction. And the topic is holes in the brain which obviously doesn't happen so i'm pretty sure the op means brain damage that can occur, and that is strictly what i addressed. I said dose for dose, without any background on whether they get addicted or the life style, mdma will do more damage than meth or even H for that matter. If you could really hold your self back and do h once a month and E once a month the person on H would be far far better off. I know thats not how things work but it is still true, sorry i'm very stoned but i think i stand correct.
 
It's a shame that schools - which are supposed to provide an education - help deliver propaganda like this.

Putting out this kind of bull is simply counterproductive. The kids will eventually lose confidence in any kind of message that the schools want to communicate.

This basic lesson was learnt by the Allies and the Brits in particular during WW2, which is why people didn't bother with the german stations and flocked to the BBC.

The message schools should be trying to get across is that drug use, like driving a car, can be dangerous, but that there are things you can do to make it less dangerous, both to you personally, your friends and peers, and to your wider environment.

Drug use needs to be managed not denied.
 
Monkeybizness said:
You don't hallucinate when you smoke.... acid makes you hallucinate .. you have a better chance seeing something trippy while rolling ..

And anything that you abuse will cause damage to your brain and body. Flash backs are a good example.
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You most certainly can hallucinate when smoking herb. Not everyone does, but I certainly do when i smoke some nice chron. It's not to the extent of acid by any means, but there are subtle hallucinations.

I will see shadows move or objects dancin around in my peripherals. Or water will look like waves going up and down. Objects will shift around, etc.
 
Mr. Wobble said:
Using a drug like MDMA occasionally is perfectly fine IF you know what you are doing. These 'junkies' that you met are most likely the people that use it almost daily like morons.

EVERY drug is bad for you if you use it out of habit. Almost NO drug will kill/harm you with only one use, or spaced out safely.
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you hit the nail on the head my friend.i found it funny to read most of the comments before yours.seems like there was a lot of wishful thinking going on instead of facing the facts.yes,MDMA use can be dangerous because it has potential to be neurotoxic when used heavily over long peroids of time just like meth.some reports even go as far as saying even moderate use can cause brain damage.NO there will be no hole in your brain in a literal sense but there will be areas of inactivity up there in your noggin that you kind of need in every day life like memory and the ability not to snap someones neck if they screw up your order at burger king.
with that being said,alcohol WILL put holes in your liver and you can buy enough to kill yourself at the store right now.that doesnt mean you have to go drink a 5th of whiskey in one night since you can buy it.you must use common sense and keep it to a minimum and space it out.if your gonna play russian roulette and buy every misc x pill out there these days, go ahead.but the smart guys and gals are gonna get a test kit and make sure of what they're taking.i personally want to know what i put into my body and i try to take care of it because its the only one i got and its got to last me another 40 years or so;)
 
drugssexandmusic said:
The only drug that does serious damage to someone's brain [shrinks it etc] is Methamphetamine.

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Rember that one thing when they were showing a brain image after mdma but there was a mislableing and it was actualy methamphetamine. I think the guy did it on perpose because he refused to answer calls from other reasearchs when they wanted to ask him about it.


To albany force don't believe anthing they tell you about drugs in school they are all lies. In middle school health class my teacher actualy told us weed make aguys penis shrink and they grow breasts and with girls their clit enlarges and their breasts shrink


It is 100% bull shit that mdma puts holes in your b brain. I've had an MRI of my brain and it was perfectly normal after useing several times
 
May not put holes in your brain but it shouldn't be an excuse to indulge in something where a lot of research is still needed..

long term effects are still unknown and lack of information isn't good and because there is bullshit science for politics does not mean MDMA is good for you...but sure as hell isn't bad unless you abuse it.

Everything in moderation.
 
F1n1shed said:
I said dose for dose, without any background on whether they get addicted or the life style, mdma will do more damage than meth or even H for that matter. If you could really hold your self back and do h once a month and E once a month the person on H would be far far better off. I know thats not how things work but it is still true, sorry i'm very stoned but i think i stand correct.
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True say.. Heroin is nontoxic.. atleast compared to most other drugs.
 
Maker'sMark said:
May not put holes in your brain but it shouldn't be an excuse to indulge in something where a lot of research is still needed..
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I agree with treating potent drugs with respect and everyone making an informed decision about what risks are tolerable for them but we can not be paralyzed by not having the whole picture on every substance or situation or we need to throw away all food and medicine and live in a bunker til we starved to death. Everything need a lot more research but people need to live in the meantime.
 
F1n1shed said:
Well i did consider life style issues and noted that methamphetamine users most always use more often which leads to addiction. And the topic is holes in the brain which obviously doesn't happen so i'm pretty sure the op means brain damage that can occur, and that is strictly what i addressed. I said dose for dose, without any background on whether they get addicted or the life style, mdma will do more damage than meth or even H for that matter. If you could really hold your self back and do h once a month and E once a month the person on H would be far far better off. I know thats not how things work but it is still true, sorry i'm very stoned but i think i stand correct.
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I am just pointing out that if the OP wants to evaluate the danger of get involved with a particular drug, it's stupid to look at neurotoxicity by itself. I think the reference to "holes in the brain" underlines that the OP isn't really experienced enough with drug use to evaluate how "dangerous" a particular drug can be. I just don't want him thinking something along the lines of "H doesn't cause neurotoxicity; so it must be safe'.
 
Question about holes in the brain.

First off when the whole hole in the brain thing comes up i always find myself wondering, is it the MDMA or the other shit they put into the tabs?

and how long does it take to develop the holes? how many tabs, etc.
 
it can over a long period of time but parkinsons after one use?? bah! lies. dont be a tool
 
Does not compute...

Holes in the brain would = TREMENDOUS BRAIN DAMAGE

and I can still make it through a philosophy textbook...catch my meaning?
 
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