Does anyone really know "how" to take LSD anymore?

[rickolasnice]

^ SIR YES SIR!

You are right, drugs should not be abused. But using a drug to get high is not abusing it. Recreational use is not abuse.

 

[rickolasnice]

Many people use booze or Benzos to feel good.

Many people use opiates to feel good.

Many people use marijuana to make feel good, have fun and enjoy the evening.

Many people use stims to party all night, social development, fun and to feel good.

Fixed.

Are you saying there is no spectrum; it's either black - your abusing it or white - you are using it medically? Come ooooonnnnn..

 

[Crashing]

Yeah cos Leary is God and we must all obey -_-

Drug snobbery is all it is.

I guess amphetamine users should only use them if they have ADHD. I guess opiate users should only use them if they are in extreme pain. I guess cocaine users should only use when in the dentist and Ketamine users should only use when undergoing surgery

Ok buddy, let's just continue to lump entheogens in with stimulants, opiates, and dissociatives. *Big long sigh*

That analogy is totally misinformed.

You said "And of course - Set and Setting" which suggested that you understand a little more about psychedelics than you actually do, But the problem is you actually don't even understand what that means. You can redefine the terms if you want, or interpret it in a way that wasn't intended, but on a scholarly level that with never be respected or considered acceptable.

'Set and setting' (provided you don't redefine it) doesn't apply to opiates or amphetamines, because the effects produced by these chemicals are fully predictable, and therefore the necessary level of preparation is considerably lower than that with a drug like LSD.

 

[Crashing]

Leary dedicated his life to proper use of psychedelics because he genuinely cared about people like you and me. If you want to mock him, that just shows what type of person you really are.

 

[rickolasnice]

^ Yeaah.. You missed the point

Seriously the amount of arrogance and snobbery that comes out of you "enlightened pychedelic guru's" is sickening. (This is not aimed at everyone in PD )

 

[Crashing]

I don't consider myself to be enlightened, I consider myself to be well read. What point did I miss, please explain?

And what is 'drug snobbery'? That's how you define someone who is passionate about psychological harm reduction?

 

[rickolasnice]

My point was you saying psychedelics should only ever be used for personal insight (or whatever) can be likened to saying drug X should only ever be used for X reason.

People use drugs for different reasons, what's the problem?

 

[Crashing]

The problem is, using opiates, amphetamines, alcohol, marijuana, and most any other recreational substance will almoist never have the degrading psychological impact that psychedelics can have. That's the problem I have.

I already said, if you want to have fun there are safer things out there for your psyche.

The real problem here is that people who want to use psychedelics responsibly are punished because of others using them irresponsibly. The fact is, LSD is physically safe, there is no reason that intelligent people can't access it legally. It's a case of few ruining it for many.

 

[nastypoker]

Drug snobbery is the correct term.

Swings and roundabouts.

Just accept people use drugs recreationally as well as for spiritual personal development or whatever you use it for. No one is disagreeing that it is a powerful substance but your view seems to be very closed minded for someone who supposedly is an advocate of LSD.

 

[helium-4]

That's pretty ignorant from someone with 11,000 + posts. LSD and select few other psychedelics are quite strictly not meant for 'getting high and having fun.' Using them this way is incredibly risky, and understanding the experience and integrating it properly is quite a bit more responsible than what you seem to be advocating.

There are hundreds of other chemical to get high and have fun, your mentality is why entheogens have been made illegal at all. This attitude completely ruins the opportunity for people who want to truly better themselves.

Are you serious? You are the one expressing ignorant ideals in the most pretentious way. Sounds like your 'enlightenment' induced via psychedelic drugs and reflection post trip is failing you...

note - BTW, I was a PD mod at a time, so I'm not some ninny with no experience or knowledge when it comes to psychedelic drugs.

What you learn, or discover during the psychedelic experience absolutely can lead to personal growth in various ways, through the interpretation of experience of course (primarily post trip - ala making sense of the experience once back into non drug induced reality). however the information used from the psychedelic experience is primarily just nonsense or knowledge already stored, stringed together while in the alternative state. Its not dissing the psychedelic experience, but merely acknowledging that what you experience during the trip is not some mystical summoning of enlightened information from hyperspace. It's just strings of words or information already implanted in your mind that appears significant in the psychedelic mindset. Post trip, the experiences of the trip become insignificant unless you apply meaning to the meaningless information presented during the trip. It is certainly not a requirement to apply meaning to the meaningless to benefit your life (it can be positive of course but not unnecessary) nor dangerous not to. Hell, I've seen many people have negative reactions after the experience from applying meaning to what they've experience. Psychedelics can cause issues whether or not you are using it for a fun time or for the purpose of enlightenment. I've honestly seen individuals have less issues with the psychedelic experience when they approach it with the desire for fun as long as they have a good set and setting (set and setting will affect your trip no matter what your purpose for the trip is).

There are hundred of chemicals to have fun on, and psychedelics like LSD, DMT, shrooms, etc. are examples of them. They aren't some special chemicals they have a strict guideline for what they can be used for, and saying they do is quite ridiculous and is the reason why many individuals really hate psychedelic users.

Entheogens are illegal for completely different reasons than people trying to have fun on them. Individuals who support psychedelic drugs being illegal don't give a shit if you take them to learn or for fun. Its the same to them.

Also as long as people use psychedelic responsibly it shouldn't matter if the intentions behind them are to have a great time or to have a spiritual awakening.

The problem is, using opiates, amphetamines, alcohol, marijuana, and most any other recreational substance will almoist never have the degrading psychological impact that psychedelics can have. That's the problem I have.

I already said, if you want to have fun there are safer things out there for your psyche.

The real problem here is that people who want to use psychedelics responsibly are punished because of others using them irresponsibly. The fact is, LSD is physically safe, there is no reason that intelligent people can't access it legally. It's a case of few ruining it for many.

WHAAAA? all of those drugs you've mentioned can/do have massive negative psychological impact.

Using drugs irresponsibly doesn't mean using them for fun.

 

[Cornishman]

One of my fave quotes here on BL regarding LSD...

Some cunts think they're Tim Leary going on a spiritual journey of enlightenment because they gubbed a few tabs of acid when in reality they've just been spazzing about looking at the pretty colours like everyone else.

 

[Foreigner]

It's not just LSD but most psychedelics. I see their great potential and few people using them that way, but I also trust that the simple act of taking them will change people even if they are not doing it in the way that I believe would maximize the psych's potential.

The war on drugs has caused a great dumbing down of the relationship between humans and psychedelic substances. That's why there is misuse and abuse. If psychedelics were openly integrated into human society there would be a much better understanding of their uses and benefits. I mean, BL has to locate its servers in Russia to avoid talk about drugs being shut down. The last the government wants is dialogue about substances that can break their control over people.

 

[rickolasnice]

The problem is, using opiates, amphetamines, alcohol, marijuana, and most any other recreational substance will almoist never have the degrading psychological impact that psychedelics can have. That's the problem I have.

Not true.

The real problem here is that people who want to use psychedelics responsibly are punished because of others using them irresponsibly. The fact is, LSD is physically safe, there is no reason that intelligent people can't access it legally. It's a case of few ruining it for many.

When did I say people should take psychedelics irresponsibly?

 

[Crashing]

Alright guys, im sorry. Ive been wrong before. Guess i need to reevaluate.

Just for the record, i wasn't comparing an opiate addiction etc.. to a single use of LSD. I was talking about an equal comparison.

I just hate seeing people have bad trips, and I'm just playing devils advocate here, man. I take psychedelics for fun all the time.

 

[rickolasnice]

Much love Crashing

 

[helium-4]

Also fuck tim leary, he help contribute to the negative view of psychedelics and their illegality even if some of his intentions or ideas were positive. As a whole I'd say he did more harm than good for the psychedelic community. His recklessness and arrogant publicity he pushed for psychedelics caused a lot of problems for a positive introduction of psychedelics to the modern world.

 

[captaintom]

I'm in two minds about this. on the one hand, LSD is undoubtedly a very powerful substance and taking it while ignorant of the effects expecting to see some pretty colours and patterns is clearly unwise and a recipe for a psychological disaster. however, if one isn't a fucking idiot about it and fully understands what they're getting themselves into, it's possible to have positive experiences on LSD that are "just" recreational as well as the powerful, spiritual trips that can also be experienced. of course, it's not always as black and white as this and there's every possibility you may end up having an experience that is neither or both of these things

 

[SpecialK_]

I haven't read this entire thread, just your post. But who's to say you don't really know how to take LSD? There's no manual with psychedelics - or any drug.

The problem is, using opiates, amphetamines, alcohol, marijuana, and most any other recreational substance will almoist never have the degrading psychological impact that psychedelics can have. That's the problem I have.

Please don't fall victim to believing this, before it ends up happening to you.

Also fuck tim leary, he help contribute to the negative view of psychedelics and their illegality even if some of his intentions or ideas were positive. As a whole I'd say he did more harm than good for the psychedelic community. His recklessness and arrogant publicity he pushed for psychedelics caused a lot of problems for a positive introduction of psychedelics to the modern world.

It's highly possible that without those contributions you'd take psychedelics today. Understand what you mean but I've much respect for someone who spoke so openly about something so unknown to those around him at the time - not saying I know everything about him either. How are you meant to attract the attention of the modern world without making a massive stand? You'd be ignored otherwise.

 

[Thanatos]

^ Leary was a horrible horrible man, that basically raped his students minds. He is one of the reasons psychedelics are illegal to this day, his message was horrible as well as detrimental to the scientific inquiry of 5H2A agonist. He and the rest of his 60's 'love' gurus ruined it for the rest of the world.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Also fuck tim leary, he help contribute to the negative view of psychedelics and their illegality even if some of his intentions or ideas were positive.

I disagree, Leary may have been a bit of whacko, and done some harm (see Thompson's grim meat-hook realities speech in F&L), but he should in no way be condemned. I'm not going to argue that their therapeutic potential could have been better exploited were it not for the counter-culture scene, but I don't think their primary benefit would be intra-System use. I think the people who most need them get them as it is, the people who fall in between the cracks of society, not squares. The rest can wait, the people who'd listen to people like Leary come first, if you ask me.

Just for the record, i wasn't comparing an opiate addiction etc.. to a single use of LSD. I was talking about an equal comparison

Ah, so in trying to establish the dissimilarity between psychs and other recreational drugs, you overlooked the principle difference between them. Psychs can be looked at as you see them because their effects are not conducive towards addiction, it's not incidental. While harms can come from psychs, I think that's in a minority of individuals, the potential psychological harms of "harder" drugs are far greater.

Its very frustrating to see people prattle on about "LSD this" and "LSD that" when they have a very incomplete framework or understanding of the drug-- especially when they're doing the stuff regularly!

You're a bit pretentious, think about it next time you trip, try to be accepting of others' feelings about the drugs. Also, people often keep personal changes to themselves, and on here it is often assumed. I mean, yeah, like you I assume productive use of psychedelics and see their recreational potential as a side effect, but I don't judge people for taking the reverse view. In fact, when it comes to averting negativity, I've found viewing the trip as recreation to be the best cure/preventative measure. Whenever I trip, usually on the comeup when there's anxiety, I remind myself that I'm doing this for fun first and foremost, it gets me in a mood where I can better engage in self-therapy than if I started out with that intent (which can easily lead to negativity, IME).