Does anybody LIKE Opiate Withdrawal?

[Free_Man**]

But did you really enjoy it, or was it the fact that it was starting to get better and the fact that sobriety was just around the corner that made it more bearable? I find it hard to believe you actually liked it. Instead I think it was just something you accepted because you knew it would be worth it and you know that you would like and enjoy being done with it.

I don't mean to tell you what you felt, but I honestly don't believe anyone could actually like or enjoy withdrawal, no matter how severe.

yes i did enjoy a part of it.... it was not just that it was made more bearable, there was more to it than that

i have already explained it as much as i can and in as much detail as i think is possible

 

[Opiatesrarely]

What does "the sobriety that follows" have to do with withdrawals? They are two entirely different things. I enjoy the sobriety I'm living right now, but fuck me if I enjoyed the withdrawals that came before it.

The sobriety that follows may include the rush of natural chemicals starting to work again after being shut off as a result of your body's attempts at constantly being in homeostasis, since you were artificially altering those chemicals (during W/D). Sobriety is what mind state you are in without chemicals altering that state. SO, you may in WD for that part of sobriety, or you may be already out of them.
It could also mean the regularity you have with your life rather than a "I'm paranid because I have 1/8 of Dank-ass weed, 0.5g Heroin, 6 OC80's, and an 8-ball of coke in my pocket." I think you see my point...
It can mean a lot of things; It's different for everyone.

6/7, are you on any maintenence programs?

I don't think you should go around saying you enjoy withdrawals when you've only had a small taste of them.

Valid point. I'm just saying what I think of them, and would LOVE to hear other people's opinions of what they think of withdrawals.
There are some symptoms that I enjoyed, and was fascinated by such as sweating and goosebumps. I understand that I would absolutely despise those feelings, as well as the accompanying shitting on yourself, puking on yourself, and lying in what feels like cold shards of glass, becoming hot for a split second and cooling off again. But it is true I've never puked from withdrawal, or even felt nauseous, but I did have to run to the toilet on a couple occasions.

 

[MarkRenton]

Lol are you listening to yourself freeman? You really are just saying that you are enjoying the signs of sobriety returning from an opiate-clouded mind. I get your point that one can find these pleasures during withdrawal but it in no way makes the withdrawal pleasant. I have to say you really are confusing the impending sobriety as positives of withdrawal. They are positives of NOT USING DRUGS not of the withdrawal itself.

 

[Free_Man**]

ok ok i guess thats just my take on it - like i say i have already explained it enough in detail...

and no Mark - i try not to listen to myself... (i would probably get concerned)

 

[chemanthonys69]

weird man, weird.. There are a couple interesting points though regarding mild WD after dose reduction and such, tess after working out and finally getting your wank back on.... Whatever floats your boat or finds your lost remote to pull from Andre 3000

 

[sixpartseven]

The sobriety that follows may include the rush of natural chemicals starting to work again after being shut off as a result of your body's attempts at constantly being in homeostasis, since you were artificially altering those chemicals (during W/D). Sobriety is what mind state you are in without chemicals altering that state. SO, you may in WD for that part of sobriety, or you may be already out of them.
It could also mean the regularity you have with your life rather than a "I'm paranid because I have 1/8 of Dank-ass weed, 0.5g Heroin, 6 OC80's, and an 8-ball of coke in my pocket." I think you see my point...
It can mean a lot of things; It's different for everyone.

6/7, are you on any maintenence programs?



Valid point. I'm just saying what I think of them, and would LOVE to hear other people's opinions of what they think of withdrawals.
There are some symptoms that I enjoyed, and was fascinated by such as sweating and goosebumps. I understand that I would absolutely despise those feelings, as well as the accompanying shitting on yourself, puking on yourself, and lying in what feels like cold shards of glass, becoming hot for a split second and cooling off again. But it is true I've never puked from withdrawal, or even felt nauseous, but I did have to run to the toilet on a couple occasions.

I know what sobriety is. My point in saying that was withdrawal symptoms are not the same things as signs of coming sobriety. They are two different things, and what Free Man is enjoying are signs of sobriety, not symptoms of withdrawal.

I have been on Suboxone maintenence, 2 times now. I am currently on it for the second time in 3 years.

 

[Free_Man**]

I have been on Suboxone maintenence, 2 times now. I am currently on it for the second time in 3 years.

good luck man

 

[sixpartseven]

Lol are you listening to yourself freeman? You really are just saying that you are enjoying the signs of sobriety returning from an opiate-clouded mind. I get your point that one can find these pleasures during withdrawal but it in no way makes the withdrawal pleasant. I have to say you really are confusing the impending sobriety as positives of withdrawal. They are positives of NOT USING DRUGS not of the withdrawal itself.

Exactly.

Free Man, how you're explaining it may be how you see it, but that doesn't mean it's right. You are confusing the two (coming sobriety and withdrawal symptoms). Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it makes sense.

OR, are you actually saying you enjoyed the constant shitting, vomiting, muscle aches, joint pain, crawling skin, irritability, and depression? If you didn't like any of those, then you didn't like withdrawal. If what you liked was the clarity of mind returning, the optimistic view of life coming back, and the return of your sex drive, then you liked the signs of sobriety.

That's the difference, and that's why you don't actually like withdrawal.

 

[Free_Man**]

what Free Man is enjoying are signs of sobriety, not symptoms of withdrawal.

and the fact that im returning to sobriety which is a part of withdrawal..... also the pain of withdrawal if mild and not too intense reminds me of my own strength - my story is unique to me and i can only express my own opinion and my own feelings. You dont know what im "enoying" and you may not speak for me in that respect - at least not with any great deal of accuracy....

you dont know what im feeling ....

Exactly

Free Man, how you're explaining it may be how you see it, but that doesn't mean it's right. You are confusing the two (coming sobriety and withdrawal symptoms). Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it makes sense.

coming sobriety is a part of withdrawal - this is how i see it... pls also see the point above regarding strength in dealing with withdrawal

OR, are you actually saying you enjoyed the constant shitting, vomiting, muscle aches, joint pain, crawling skin, irritability, and depression?

this is a really dumb thing to say - how should i reply to this? i only experienced depression , irritability and anxiety and de-personalization - with some sweating and insomnia - i didnt enjoy the withdrawal symptoms i enjoyed the process of getting better - and the symptoms reminded me of this - they were mild - i did not have to come off heroin as i suspect you did... my story is different ill tell you about it one day....

If you didn't like any of those, then you didn't like withdrawal. If what you liked was the clarity of mind returning, the optimistic view of life coming back, and the return of your sex drive, then you liked the signs of sobriety.

yes this is what i liked and again please see above points becoming sober is a part of the withdrawal process.... again i must stress i did not enjoy the withdrawal symptoms. do you think im crazy ?

im talking about the psychological and (for me) spiritual process of getting better........

That's the difference, and that's why you don't actually like withdrawal symptoms

fixed

again tho you cant tell me what i do and dont like with accuracy...as you have just demonstrated...

to be fair i dont think i made it clear - its not the withdrawal symptoms that i enjoyed.... in this way im different to the OP

i enjoyed what the whole withdrawal process signified and how i began to feel sober as a part of that process

 

[arthunter888]

@ Opiatesrarely:

That picture in your avitar... is it you? If not, who is it?

 

[Opiatesrarely]

That's the difference, and that's why you don't actually like withdrawal.

I see. I do admit... I started this thread not only in a minor WD, but in the 4th day of that, and it was basically over, so I was still mentally unstable, had racing ideas and thoughts, and yes, it was minor, so I wasn't in compelte agony.
Now... I do agree that I miss using, but definitely not the lifestyle I was becoming, or what I saw in junkies. I can't say whether or not I am making an excuse for myself to use again, but we all know that people makes excuses, they make promises, they do infinite amounts of things, and none of it is solid.
MY POINT - Discussion, analysis, and questions are the solid things that we can have and do to aid ourselves and understand what is opiate use and in this case, the ensuing WD, and sobriety.

It's still on topic, so please don't close my thread, though.

@ Opiatesrarely:

That picture in your avitar... is it you? If not, who is it?

Yeah, it's me, what? WHAT?!



Hah, naw it's Chris Tucker, from movies like the Friday series, the Rush Hour series, etc.

I like the face he makes there, I want BL to feel like I am looking at them like that!

Also, I usually fit in with black people, even though I'm white.

 

[Nexus6]

Maybe a little

When they're not too bad I just think of it as having a bad cold and that makes me a little more forgiving to myself. I tend to take better care of myself when I feel sick so my mood kindof improves. If the effects are so bad that I'm actually jerking about in silent agony then no, that fucking sucks.

 

[sixpartseven]

I see. I do admit... I started this thread not only in a minor WD, but in the 4th day of that, and it was basically over, so I was still mentally unstable, had racing ideas and thoughts, and yes, it was minor, so I wasn't in compelte agony.
Now... I do agree that I miss using, but definitely not the lifestyle I was becoming, or what I saw in junkies. I can't say whether or not I am making an excuse for myself to use again, but we all know that people makes excuses, they make promises, they do infinite amounts of things, and none of it is solid.
MY POINT - Discussion, analysis, and questions are the solid things that we can have and do to aid ourselves and understand what is opiate use and in this case, the ensuing WD, and sobriety.

It's still on topic, so please don't close my thread, though.

If I was going to close or move this, I would have by now. I quite like this discussion. I may not agree with what some people or saying - or I may flat out think they are wrong/confusing themselves - but it doesn't mean I believe I am right. I just think they are misunderstanding.

It's healthy discussion that will, possibly and hopefully, lead to better understanding of withdrawal and may help people get more out of it. I can see where FM is coming from on the spiritual side of things. Hell, if I was spiritual at all, I might even agree with him, but I still see a huge divide between anything to do with withdrawal and anything to do with sobriety.

What I mean is, I don't think that "becoming sober" is part of withdrawing. My reason is that there is more to being sober than not using drugs. Withdrawing is something you do BEFORE becoming sober, not during. Being sober is an entire change in lifestyle. I've quit opiates 3 times in 7 years now and it took and 2 of those times it failed because I thought all that was required of me was to quit doing heroin and suffer through withdrawals. I was dead wrong. I had to change habits, change friends, change my entire life.

Withdrawals aren't meant to be enjoyed. They are the consequence we must suffer for the decisions we made. What comes after - becoming sober and maintaining it - is meant to be enjoyed.

Maybe I haven't been explaining my point of view well enough, but hopefully I conveyed it better this time around. If you (FM and whoever else) still disagree, that's fine, but I have to say, I still think you're wrong, and again, that doesn't mean I'm right. We're all individuals here, and we'll all have our own opinions, and I respect that. I'm not going to try and make anyone conform to my ideas on this, but I do hope that some of you may understand what I'm saying and agree with me. I don't like the idea of someone reading someone else saying "withdrawals were enjoyable" and get the wrong idea, however unlikely that may be.

 

[ashla]

^ Theres no such thing as NO SMACK available - unless you live under a lake, and demand home-delivery or something.

LOOK MOAR.
lol i have to disagree when it was happening i wasnt laughing, me and my friend spend hours doing lots of going to hock shops, trying to burrow money for dope and gas, i have to drive like an hour to get it, when i finally get everything we need we drive to city no dope and i mean none, i had a dealer who just got busted that day and the other ones i relied on either turned phone of and one of them even went back to puerto rico and there is no such thing as copping of the street there anymore without phone because of this crazy cobra sting operation , this was like eight yrs ago and i was sick as a dog but for some reason had the giggles so bad, first couldnt find one phone in city that worked, then couldnt cop at all, for the next three weeks my friend and i would be laughing about it, so yes there are times it is dry least where i live, in bumb fuck pa

anywhoo the reason i am really replying to this is i am enjoying this conversation and i am not trying to stir shit up for the most part i agree with alot everyone says, we are either all saying it in different ways or taking it differently,

but i dont think freeman said he enjoyed withdrawal just knowing sobriety was following was good for him, and i have to agree i am a baby when it comes to kicking a really bad baby but there were a few times when i would kick not because i had to but because i wanted to change my life, and while i was sick and feeling like dying what kept me through was this personal drive like once i do this i wont have to do what i was doing to get high, wouldnt have to worry about being sick all the time, so no way in hell do i like kicking hence reason i am on suboxone and was on methadone for six yrs before that, when i was kicking cold turkey i felt like i was proud or something,

also i really doubt the op would be in any withdrawal much either but it isnt me going through it it is him i cant deny him what he is going through be in physical or phsychological ashla

 

[John_Burrows]

I agree with those who say that temporary wd can be a welcome thing because it feels so good to have them melt away when you fix.

I've been on dilaudid for about a year now and the stuff rarely gets me high anymore. Often I take it and feel absolutley no different.

But if I go more than 6 or 8 hours between doses, I definitley feel the onset of wd. More than 12 hours it starts to get bad. But then, when I take my dillies, that feeling is replaced with... Well, simply with feeling normal again.

But the transition is bliss. And without wd, I'd have no bliss.

 

[Eight0Eight]

What does "the sobriety that follows" have to do with withdrawals? They are two entirely different things. I enjoy the sobriety I'm living right now, but fuck me if I enjoyed the withdrawals that came before it.

^THIS.


I also don't have a clue what Freeman is on about. Like we've both said, anyone that says they enjoy wd in the slightest - hasn't experienced full proper WD.

There is nothing beautiful about wd, there is also nothing beatiful about sobriety - it just is what it is.

 

[monstanoodle]

I sort of know what the OP and others mean by "enjoying" it.
Personally it's like payback that I deserve due to choosing such a course.
Sort of like self harming I suppose, but that's what depression can do.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's enjoyable but there is a part of it that feels right.. If that makes any sense.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i look at it as the only people who would like opiate w/d would be the type of people who get relief from cutting them selves.

 

[Free_Man**]

but i dont think freeman said he enjoyed withdrawal just knowing sobriety was following was good for him, and i have to agree

when i was kicking cold turkey i felt like i was proud or something,

i think Ashla seems to know where im coming from.

If I was going to close or move this, I would have by now. I quite like this discussion. I may not agree with what some people or saying - or I may flat out think they are wrong/confusing themselves - but it doesn't mean I believe I am right. I just think they are misunderstanding.

It's healthy discussion that will, possibly and hopefully, lead to better understanding of withdrawal and may help people get more out of it. I can see where FM is coming from on the spiritual side of things. Hell, if I was spiritual at all, I might even agree with him, but I still see a huge divide between anything to do with withdrawal and anything to do with sobriety.

What I mean is, I don't think that "becoming sober" is part of withdrawing. My reason is that there is more to being sober than not using drugs. Withdrawing is something you do BEFORE becoming sober, not during. Being sober is an entire change in lifestyle. I've quit opiates 3 times in 7 years now and it took and 2 of those times it failed because I thought all that was required of me was to quit doing heroin and suffer through withdrawals. I was dead wrong. I had to change habits, change friends, change my entire life.

Withdrawals aren't meant to be enjoyed. They are the consequence we must suffer for the decisions we made. What comes after - becoming sober and maintaining it - is meant to be enjoyed.

Maybe I haven't been explaining my point of view well enough, but hopefully I conveyed it better this time around. If you (FM and whoever else) still disagree, that's fine, but I have to say, I still think you're wrong, and again, that doesn't mean I'm right. We're all individuals here, and we'll all have our own opinions, and I respect that. I'm not going to try and make anyone conform to my ideas on this, but I do hope that some of you may understand what I'm saying and agree with me. I don't like the idea of someone reading someone else saying "withdrawals were enjoyable" and get the wrong idea, however unlikely that may be.

6/7 has explained his point well and i respect it.

it does sound crazy saying "withdrawals are enjoyable". i would also not want anyone to get the wrong idea and think that kicking a really bad opiate (or any other drugs') addiction was a cake walk - it is not

i have also enjoyed the discussion and this thread. and im sure many others will benefit from it on some level at least..

its true there is a difference between withdrawal and sobriety - but the way myself and 6/7 view and describe this difference is different - which is normal because we are both different people..

i just happen to see a link between the 2 though ... and i do see it is a trial and a time of change and awakening - during the withdrawal process

that is all i have to say

peace out

FM

 

[Binge Artist]

What's all this bullshit about the transition from WD's to "not" WD's being bliss?


After the sickness, I go from feeling like complete dog shit, to feeling not quite like complete dog shit. The 1 - 2 months after acute withdrawal is like a very slow train to "normal town"...only when you finally get there, it ain't quite as "normal" as you remember it.