Does anybody LIKE Opiate Withdrawal?

[asouthern]

Makes perfect sense, I understand with every point on which you are touching EXCEPT for one.
You say the only way anyone will kick a habit is if they want it for themselves... what does that mean if it doesn't entail legal/job reasons?
Just health and peace of mind? Those are very important aspects, but I'm just having trouble understanding what you would put into the category of "yourself."

i just mean that at the time i personally made the choice to quit, not because someone wanted me to. i think if it's an outside force (you're on probation, your job piss tests, etc.) you are never going to REALLY quit. maybe i should rephrase that and say that *I* personally would never quit because i think it has to be a personal decision made by yourself, not the law or your employer, that quitting is what YOU want to do, not what someone wants you to do.

that being said, i'm not clean right now. i still get high. but at the time i was not happy with myself and knew that kicking my habit was what needed to change in my life. if i happened to ever be put on probation, god forbid, i believe i would have a much harder time quitting than if it were simply a personal decision. i may be able to quit for the reason that i value my freedom and don't want to be in jail or want a particular job, but i don't believe i would feel the satisfaction from quitting like i would from quitting for my own personal reasons.

i should not have said that it's impossible for people to quit for reasons outside of personal choice but that the satisfaction is greater when the decision to quit is made by yourself. people obviously quit for legal or employment reasons all the time, but if being obligated to quit in order to stay out of jail or get a job is your only reason for quitting i don't believe that the impact on your life, or at least on my own life, would be as powerful.

 

[Opiatesrarely]

... that quitting is what YOU want to do, not what someone wants you to do.

that being said, i'm not clean right now. i still get high. but at the time i was not happy with myself and knew that kicking my habit was what needed to change in my life. ... i don't believe i would feel the satisfaction from quitting like i would from quitting for my own personal reasons.

i should not have said that it's impossible for people to quit for reasons outside of personal choice but that the satisfaction is greater when the decision to quit is made by yourself. people obviously quit for legal or employment reasons all the time, but if being obligated to quit in order to stay out of jail or get a job is your only reason for quitting i don't believe that the impact on your life, or at least on my own life, would be as powerful.

I see, and I agree. I call this willpower. I've "quit" before a few times -- or you could call them binges, or you could call them "getting bored with the routine", or you could call those times "reality check", or "the negatives are outweighing the positives." (you see my point..)
But I've gone back. Sometimes I did more than the last time, and other times I used less and for less time than the last time... I can certainly see how it can stretch more and more until you are an everyday user with a job who can't stop because they can't miss one more day of work, and they have to keep using to be able to work, so at that point they HAVE to quit, because WD's become unacceptable -- and THAT point may be the point that some TDS posters were at when they posted things like: "If you want to permanently quitand never go back (going back would ensue another everyday, unmanageable habit), you have to quit for YOURSELF, and nobody else, not your mom, not your baby daughter, not your $150,000/year career."
I don't agree with those posters, but maybe their situations required those thoughts. Then again, I have never tried the needle. I accept and believe that some can ruin their lives by simply eating pills, snorting heroin, and plugging pills, but I honestly believe that IV (especially the unique heroin) is a whole 'nother realm.

 

[RecklessWOT]

NO. FUCK no man. Lol sorry I had to. I read your whole post, and I guess I see where you're coming from, but honestly, not at all man. Sometimes I have an urge to shoot myself during a particularly bad w/d.

I read many of the other posts too, I see a lot of people have valid points, there's really too much to say at this point that I don't feel like getting into it. But overall it is a shitty situation until it is over

 

[Breathe]

You know, there is some seed of truth in what you claim.. I refer to w/d from opiates, and specifically H.

I have made it into peak w/d before, and it was terrible..
..but there is an early phase of w/d that I have always found to be appealing.

After going the whole day on just a morning's fix, by the time 8pm or so rolls around, there's definitely some body temperature troubles, some sweating, some anxiety..

...but by the time MIDNIGHT rolls around, a sort of calm has occurred - if there is a calm, comfortable environment, of course. It is during this time that so many sparkling emotions and expansive thoughts and just broad, creative imaginings begin to fire off at random, stimulated by whatever happens to be happening immediately (like watching a great movie, or playing an instrument, etc..)
Just these shimmering, multi-colored sparkling feelings that bubble up this way are worth the turmoil. They feel...so "good", though good is really not a great word to describe it. It's like experiencing a wonderful, controlled wilderness of mentality that spans emotion to intellect to sensuality to modes I have no name for.. (yes, I am synaesthetic, and not by virtue of the use of drugs - I have been so all my life)

Then, of course, comes the final and end-of-the-day fix... Softly dissolving all such wild dreams into a comfortable blanket of universal understanding..and it's off to sleep.

 

[OPsFORME]

I cannot fathom someone enjoying withdrawals. I will be going through them starting tomorrow, I want to be sober for a while and I am looking forward to it. If you enjoy withdrawals then you don't have a habit bad enough to feel the torture that is withdrawal.

Like you said ^^ Yes you most def. Don't do it enough to go all the way down to hell lol. I will be starting tomorrow with my at home detox plan, I'm tired of being a slave to this shitty habit.

~DJ Play~

 

[Colmes]

First two posters should go live together on that new crater they found on the moon - you two weirdos are made for each other =p

 

[Eight0Eight]

OP - you haven't experienced full-blown wd yet, its that simple.

Take smack everyday for a few months, then stop suddenly - night sweats will be the least of your worries.

When in full WD, it is *impossible* to live anything like a normal life. Fuck, even lying in a puddle of your own shit and puke is hard at the time..

 

[SWIM OPIATES]

ok i don't post much but i had to post on this one....

WHAT KINDA FUCKING QUESTION IS THAT!@!
Anyone who has been through withdrawal will tell you it is the worst thing conceivable. It's the main reason why there is such a thing as a heroin addict. Most people could probably stop heroin anytime they wanted if there was no withdrawal, but its not like that, and that's one of the main reasons why most people don't quit.

Try this..
Get a nice bundle a day habit for say 6 months, and then one day just stop. 48 hours into that then post how much you like withdrawals. O yea once are addicted and you have truly experienced withdrawal, anytime you use after that even if it is just a day or two you will feel withdrawals. That is because you have officially fucked up your brain chemistry for good.

 

[Free_Man**]

Thanks

welcome

It could be, but tolerance wouldn't necessarily be a factor (AHA! I may be contradicting myself by making this statement)... Every answer raises 60 more fucking questions!

lol , yeah i know how it is man. i dont think tolerance OR dependance would be a factor in this case u have described. only the "romantic" side of addiction.... (missing the drug like you missed an old mistress.... or friend..)

Of course I do . But hypothetically speaking... as if it was administered to somebody only on those saturdays... then again, "hypothetically", communism is GOLD.

ok fair play i see your point......

That kind of goes for everything though... playing sports, gambling, sex, internet, food, singing.

this is my point. more to addiction than just chemicals etc.....what is it in us that makes us want to get high in the first place. human beings are pleasure seekers... some of us are just deeply unhappy for no scientifically explainable reason. we can have no chemical imbalance - all neurotransmitters , endorphins etc can be there in perfectly normal and adequate quantites. And life could have been without trauma or major problems and yet still someone can be in pain (a different type of pain) and strangely enough they take opiates for emotional pain.... this is what im referring to..... more to it than just the brain or the body - or even the mind (thoughts are also just electro chemical stuff) - (maybe feelings are as well ? i always thought and still believe that there is more to feelings than just chemicals -[and this to me plays a big part in addiction] - maybe IM gonna start contradicting myself as well if im not careful )

'sall good, homeboy.

I see what you're getting at.
Maybe I'm ovranalyzing and it could be a moot point... but I like it!

prob is a moot point. but analyzing is fun .... its what were sort of doing now i guess

hmmm

yeah i know i may sound like a hippy

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

this is my point. more to addiction than just chemicals etc.....what is it in us that makes us want to get high in the first place. human beings are pleasure seekers... some of us are just deeply unhappy for no scientifically explainable reason. we can have no chemical imbalance - all neurotransmitters , endorphins etc can be there in perfectly normal and adequate quantites. And life could have been without trauma or major problems and yet still someone can be in pain (a different type of pain) and strangely enough they take opiates for emotional pain.... this is what im referring to..... more to it than just the brain or the body - or even the mind (thoughts are also just electro chemical stuff) - (maybe feelings are as well ? i always thought and still believe that there is more to feelings than just chemicals -[and this to me plays a big part in addiction] - maybe IM gonna start contradicting myself as well if im not careful )

the exact reason i started opiates.. to help with being bi polar and it helped to a point.. but now suboxone is giving me exactly what i need, a crutch. Along with my bi polar meds and other various medications. i feel "normal".

 

[The_Count]

I think I'm a bit on the fence here. It can go either way with me, depending on the situation. If I CHOOSE to stop using for a bit, if my tolerance is getting too high and hence the fun getting too expensive, then I don't think I mind the w/d's as bad. Not by any stretch am I saying I enjoy going through a 4th of 5th circle of hell. But if I start getting sick because I can't score because I can't find anything, then I swear I get sicker. I'm sure people will almost definitely say it's a psychological, if not combined with physiological, reaction to my mental state of not being able to score when I know I'm going to be sick. But I still think that I can handle the kick much better when I am planning it.

Anyone else go through the same thing?

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that not once in my life did I enjoy going through withdrawals. Just found them more tolerable at times.

 

[ro0ga]

WD's are terrible, I'd never choose to go through it if I didn't need too. However I will say, that I do appreciate WD because it is a reminder of the consequences of using so much/frequently. So in a sense, I do like WD BECAUSE it sucks so bad. It deters me from using too heavily, and somewhat keeps my using in check (sometimes).

 

[Eight0Eight]

I can't find anything, then I swear I get sicker.

Can't answer as that's never happened to me - which is a bad thing tbh.

 

[Opiatesrarely]

OP - you haven't experienced full-blown wd yet, its that simple. Take smack everyday for a few months, then stop suddenly - night sweats will be the least of your worries. When in full WD, it is *impossible* to live anything like a normal life. Fuck, even lying in a puddle of your own shit and puke is hard at the time..

Try this..
Get a nice bundle a day habit for say 6 months, and then one day just stop. 48 hours into that then post how much you like withdrawals. O yea once are addicted and you have truly experienced withdrawal, anytime you use after that even if it is just a day or two you will feel withdrawals. That is because you have officially fucked up your brain chemistry for good.

No Thanks guys, I'm not going to try it...
Interesting about the brain chemistry thing-- another reason to keep from using excessively.

we can have no chemical imbalance - all neurotransmitters , endorphins etc can be there in perfectly normal and adequate quantites. And life could have been without trauma or major problems and yet still someone can be in pain (a different type of pain) and strangely enough they take opiates for emotional pain.... this is what im referring to.....

I see that - there are about 1,000,000,000 scenarios in which someone with no problems, adequate pleasure stimulation, and homeostasis choose to use a drug, and then the snowball effect rolls down, and boom they're hooked (possibly not educated about their addiction - which, thank the Bluelight gods, we all are educated! )

But if I start getting sick because I can't score because I can't find anything, then I swear I get sicker.
Anyone else go through the same thing?

Yes, sometimes I get mad as fuck when I can't score - but WD was never so bad too be amplified by the anger. I've learned to control it and level the dissapointment and direct my feelings into a positive energy.

I will say, that I do appreciate WD because it is a reminder of the consequences of using so much/frequently. So in a sense, I do like WD BECAUSE it sucks so bad. It deters me from using too heavily, and somewhat keeps my using in check (sometimes).

I understand the appreciation. And it does deter you and keep you in check (...sometimes that is true)

 

[love2party]

I think I'm a bit on the fence here. It can go either way with me, depending on the situation. If I CHOOSE to stop using for a bit, if my tolerance is getting too high and hence the fun getting too expensive, then I don't think I mind the w/d's as bad. Not by any stretch am I saying I enjoy going through a 4th of 5th circle of hell. But if I start getting sick because I can't score because I can't find anything, then I swear I get sicker. I'm sure people will almost definitely say it's a psychological, if not combined with physiological, reaction to my mental state of not being able to score when I know I'm going to be sick. But I still think that I can handle the kick much better when I am planning it.

Anyone else go through the same thing?

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that not once in my life did I enjoy going through withdrawals. Just found them more tolerable at times.

I'm actually the opposite to you. If I know their is no way I can score I actually feel less sick. I guess My brain resigns itself that it's not getting any opiates today, so for some reason I feel better. Now, if i'm sick and I know I can score anytime I feel sicker and once I go get my shit I already start feeling better without even doing it yet.

Their is alot of psychological components to withdrawal.

 

[Eight0Eight]

^ Theres no such thing as NO SMACK available - unless you live under a lake, and demand home-delivery or something.

LOOK MOAR.


I was speaking to a junky friend of mine just a couple days ago. She scored 4 bags, on Christmas morning - at 7am. Without even a phone call. She just turned up at the dope spot.

If you have money - then their IS dope. Simple as that my friend.

 

[love2party]

^ Theres no such thing as NO SMACK available - unless you live under a lake, and demand home-delivery or something.

LOOK MOAR.


I was speaking to a junky friend of mine just a couple days ago. She scored 4 bags, on Christmas morning - at 7am. Without even a phone call. She just turned up at the dope spot.

If you have money - then their IS dope. Simple as that my friend.

I have no problem getting smack right now. Ive had a steady dealer for the last 2 years. I live in a city about 50,000 and there is no dope spots here, you pretty much have to know somebody and have a number. I know If you look you will find, but i'm not the type person that will hit the streets asking random junkies. I would rather suffer than risk my life and my freedom by hitting the streets.

 

[Tech User]

Acute withdrawal is always bad. I think some freaks enjoyed aspected of acute withdrawal ( like W. Burroughs), who talked about the anal leakage and all that stuff as it relates to faggotry....

But, in mild withdrawal associated with dose reduction, there can be good symptoms. Exercise is nice during mild withdrawal, and if youve been using for a while, the testosterone rebound is nice. Sex is better too, and you get better erections...

true words spoken here . . .i remember the days of mild withdrawal. . it almost makes you feel human in a wierd way that you aretn used to since you been gettin high all the time. . .

But agreeed acute withdrawal frakin SUX! i mean over the past 15 years or so i can sleep through the worst kicks and flippin and floppin. . but when you are "cant even mix up a shot when someone has brought you the dope" sick, no there is no joy there!!!!

peace!!!
tECHNICAL user

 

[ledhead]

Amen bro. There is nothing better in life then when you are in w/d and you find some shit. Hell, when I am in w/d and I just scored, my w/d seem to disappear knowing that in a matter of minutes I am going to be high again and out of the shit.

Fuck man, the good call/text is usually enough to make me feel instantly better, especially if I'm in WD at work or something.

As for the bigger question, does anyone enjoy WDs? I say hell no, especially the part where you wouldn't care if someone just handed you a check for a million dollars (assuming you couldn't buy dope with it) and you just want either a fix or a bullet in your head. But it's just the opposite effect of being high, when you wouldn't you give 2 shits if your dog died and you just watched your house burn down and your girl left you all on the same day.

But there is something about the withdrawal effect, something almost...romantic...probably because it's just a part of the game and the lifestyle. When you're sick you can bitch to your junkie friends and they all know exactly what you're going through. Then you realize alot of junkies aren't your friends and are just selfish douchebags fighting the same battle you are. You know...you're always comrades with someone who is shooting in the same direction you are. No pun intended there I don't even use needles.

Fuck sometimes I hate this game but I don't wanna quit. Not yet.

I have no problem getting smack right now. Ive had a steady dealer for the last 2 years. I live in a city about 50,000 and there is no dope spots here, you pretty much have to know somebody and have a number. I know If you look you will find, but i'm not the type person that will hit the streets asking random junkies. I would rather suffer than risk my life and my freedom by hitting the streets.

Yeah...get a part time job at a restaurant, the bigger the joint the better. You will find what you're looking for. The extra cash is nice, but that's mainly why i still cook a few a nights a week round here.

 

[ashla]

wow what an interesting thread, if anyone would ever come out and say i bet withdrawal was awesome i would be floored, but when i do think back in hindsight, the feeling of using and getting better was something i felt orgasmic or something lol,
the thing though most was the getting and finding ways to get more,
i know that most people would say that you dont have friends that junkies arent friends, and yes most of my friends would and have stabbed me in the back or whatever and i the same, but also those same people have been friends to me, and looking back remembering how many times people got me better , the comradarie of the desperation of using and sickness, this was one of the hardest things to let go of was the life style, and my friends,
when i was going through a horrible divorce and having a two yr old who was terribly ill at the time, it was my using friends who stood by me
also you cant cop on the streets where i live you need a phone hook up and i felt like powerful because many people had to go through me to use and that in some stupid way made me feel powerful,
it has been three yrs since i had to go through that daily insanity of stealing, selling, coping, etc and i still reminisce about it with my ex husband who is also clean,

who knows its probably my addiction that glamorizes it and i am glad i dont give into it and could laugh now at the insane thing me and my friends did but when i am real with myself i know how horrible it all really was, it was a horrible thing to let go of but i did and i know for the most part the missing all of it is a way for my addiction to try to get me to come back, intelectually i know it sucked but my brain lies,

thank god i am not living that life anymore ashla