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Hey Anonymouse77, for what it's worth I'm a longtime reader who has been thinking about registering an account recently and reading your posts about your experience inspired me to join and reply to you.

I empathize with you and feel bad for you as I read your experiences. What you write does make some sense but maybe not in the way you want. Based on your descriptions and the way I've seen you communicate with the people on this forum, it is very possible that you are accurately perceiving some of these weird behaviors in other people who make faces and act differently around you, and expect you to make a scene. And the simple truth there would be because you are acting out of the ordinary.

For example, a drunk person (I'm not saying you're acting drunk or intoxicated, but just as an example of this phenomenon) will often not realize how drunk they are acting. But everyone around them sees it and rolls their eyes and expects a scene. The others can see that the drunk person thinks nobody knows they are drunk, but to everyone else it is obvious.

There are two basic possibilities, either you are perceiving some of these behaviors in others accurately or you are not. If you are not, then anxiety and mental health issues are causing you to misperceive what is not there, although to your mind that seems impossible. And if you are perceiving it accurately, then it might be because of the way you are behaving, which like with the drunk example is obvious to others but hidden to you. I don't just make this assumption based on your stories, but also on the way I see you interacting with people on this forum. Pretty much everyone is telling you the same advice: try to ignore or avoid focusing on the behavior of others, and just worry about what you can do that is healthy for you. But you seem to consistently ignore this advice and just keep on focusing on how other people are acting. To me, and I assume almost everyone else, this is a recipe for your bad experiences to continue.

Another issue I face in your stories is that they convey that many unrelated people are in on this plot to harass or humiliate you. Public servants, doctors, regular workers, etc, and in many different environments. And why? Because you use legally prescribed opiates. It makes no sense that this vast conspiracy would exist to humiliate you for your medication. If so many powers wished it, they could simply discontinue your medication. It would be no less illegal than all these workers being instructed to conspire against you.

Also, whether you are using legal or illegal drugs, for you or anyone else that is not important enough to warrant all these surveillance and harassment efforts. It seems unhealthy for you to believe that your drug usage is so important that a vast array of people who don't even know you dedicate so much time and effort to subtly harass or humiliate you.
None of it makes any sense to be honest with you. And as you noted yourself, even on a long-standing and official forum dedicated to drugs, other drug users and people who have experienced mental health challenges consistently reply to you that it seems like you blowing the situation out of proportion. And even if not, your only meaningful response is to ignore and let it go, since their harassment is subtle and you could just ignore it and focus on doing what is healthy for you.

Especially since you're saying you don't want social interactions. Then why care how they act? You seem to be giving it a lot of power. I too have had and have social challenges with people, and as long as they do not outright assault me or steal my possessions, I just ignore them and focus on doing what is right for me. I hope you find a way to do that for you. But historically, you may thank me for this reply and then reiterate that your perceptions are correct and continue to agonize about the behavior of others, and dissect their behavior in some other scenario. I hope you find peace within yourself, because these other people won't give it to you.

P.S. I just want to affirm that I am not denying some of your past experiences where you were harassed by family or people who knew you. I am not denying that social harassment exists. I have experienced it myself throughout my life. I am just finding it difficult to believe that you are being harassed by many people who hardly know you (and have no reason to conspire against you) just because you are prescribed opiates or otherwise use drugs.
Thank you for your reply and I get what you are saying. I do have an anxious disposition. It's true. But that's their confirmation bias and projection to treat me differently and try to get me to snap. I handle things the best I can.

Also about not caring what they think - I honestly don't so all I will do is let it go. I only want to record it as I think it's wrong and unethical that such a thing happens.

People will believe what they want. The other thing is what do I have to gain by putting this out there? Most people chime in with telling me to get help and people all jump on that and like their reply to feel important or whatever. I have nothing to gain but also nothing to lose so I am going for it and talking about my experience. Whether it matters or not to me. Also I am not entirely sure it's all due to my opiate use. It could be that or something else. The chronic illness I have puts me on the list as a faker. It might be a combination of things.

Until I can get actual evidence I will bow out because I can see where this is going and I have support and people who know it happens and believe me.
 
Slow release lasts longer but not the 12 hours it was marketed as - if you get more than 8 hours relief from a tablet you're pretty lucky (a nurse straight up said that to me once). Docs pretty much won't prescribe Oxycontin here anymore, it's a product called Targin now which is oxycodone mixed with naloxone in a time release formula - marketed to doctors as 'reducing opioid induced constipation' but it's to try and prevent people abusing them as you can't snort or inject it without causing precipitated withdrawals. You can still crush the tablet and sublingual it/eat it for it to kick in immediately or just take more pills so it doesn't *really* prevent abuse and it sure as shit (pun not intended) doesn't reduce the constipation - it does feel like it reduces the effectiveness of the oxy component itself like 20mg targin feels less strong than 20mg oxycontin. That could just be placebo but I know a lot of other people have reported the same thing. I'm only on 15mg of it twice a day so nowhere near enough to move onto methadone. To be frank the QT prolongation issue scares the shit out of me as I already have a heart arrhythmia so methadone would be an absolute last resort. In any case I get regular ketamine infusions which desensitises my pain and allows me to drop the amount of oxy i take by 30-50% in the space of a few days with no withdrawals. Due for my next one soon


Yes in Australia. Thanks. I miss the days when I could ask for a one off script of oxycontin for two weeks if i was having a pain flare. They won't even give you panadeine forte now unless a specialist has signed off on it. They really want to punish people in pain here.
You can snort and inject bupe with nalaxone and the naloxone does nothing. I'm really curious what data these pharma companies are using to get these naloxone combos patented becauze in humans they don't work the way they are claimed as anti abuse.
 
Yes I have asked that and all I can think is it's to provoke a reaction/scene so they can use it against me to get me on the radar for "help". I believe they are gathering evidence but if I give them nothing then they are wasting their time. I already know it's happening so appreciate the people chiming in to tell me to talk to someone but I don't go along with the "hivemind" so I won't be doing that.

Other than that it could be just to drive me to end things so I am less of a burden on society.
Well, you've made your mind up about what you think is going on and nothing anyone here says will change that, but for what it's worth I don't believe you're under threat or surveillance.

There's a thousand reasons people might act the way around you that you've described here - you might be physically distinguished, or play music from your phone speakers while you walk, or wear a zebra striped top hat, or humm theme songs with great enthusiasm, but I wouldn't say that being an opioid user with a prescription numbers among them.

Wish you the best mate.
 
Well, you've made your mind up about what you think is going on and nothing anyone here says will change that, but for what it's worth I don't believe you're under threat or surveillance.

There's a thousand reasons people might act the way around you that you've described here - you might be physically distinguished, or play music from your phone speakers while you walk, or wear a zebra striped top hat, or humm theme songs with great enthusiasm, but I wouldn't say that being an opioid user with a prescription numbers among them.

Wish you the best mate.
Did you read what I wrote about the electronic harassment? It works both ways in that nothing I say about my experience of it will convince those that don't want to believe it happens. It could be because I *am* a hermit and keep to myself and they see me as some threat who should be forced into social interactions.
 
I also wanted to add that I still haven't received my rebate from medicare from the appointment I had with the GP for the pain review a couple of weeks ago. They took their time to check me out and claimed it went through automatically and I should receive it the next day but it hadn't. I phoned medicare and they say there's an issue and some details don't match up so I go into the office after being unable to link the medicare to my mygov account myself and got a linking code and submitting a paper form in person while I was there. I still haven't received that and was told at that time it could take 3 days. It's well over 3 days and I went back a few days ago and was told this time that submitting a paper version can actually take up to 2 weeks and NOT 3 days. So I submitted it online as I now it linked up but it still hasn't reached my account. They said online is quicker and I don't know if I will get in trouble for submitting a paper version AND an online version and they weren't very clear when I asked them that.

But go off and tell me I sound delusional. I think I come across as with-it and reasonably intelligent and as I say - I get nothing out of talking about this. There is nothing in it for me I mean.
 
I also wanted to add that I still haven't received my rebate from medicare from the appointment I had with the GP for the pain review a couple of weeks ago. They took their time to check me out and claimed it went through automatically and I should receive it the next day but it hadn't. I phoned medicare and they say there's an issue and some details don't match up so I go into the office after being unable to link the medicare to my mygov account myself and got a linking code and submitting a paper form in person while I was there. I still haven't received that and was told at that time it could take 3 days. It's well over 3 days and I went back a few days ago and was told this time that submitting a paper version can actually take up to 2 weeks and NOT 3 days. So I submitted it online as I now it linked up but it still hasn't reached my account. They said online is quicker and I don't know if I will get in trouble for submitting a paper version AND an online version and they weren't very clear when I asked them that.

But go off and tell me I sound delusional. I think I come across as with-it and reasonably intelligent and as I say - I get nothing out of talking about this. There is nothing in it for me I mean.
This is something I've heard a number of people complain of lately my boyfriend has been REALLY fucked around by it. He's been trying to get some rebates processed for literally months now. I don't know what changed in their system, I remember when I used to be able to drop in the physical form and get it processed by the next day. You won't get in trouble for submitting both, it'll just get rejected as 'already processed' when they get to the duplicate one, whichever gets processed first. If they do want to have a whinge at you about it you can quite reasonably say you were at your wits end trying to get it processed - you would be far from the only person submitting both types in the hope that one of them gets processed i reckon
 
You can snort and inject bupe with nalaxone and the naloxone does nothing. I'm really curious what data these pharma companies are using to get these naloxone combos patented becauze in humans they don't work the way they are claimed as anti abuse.
It's just going to be so they can show the FDA/TGA 'see we heard your concerns about our products being abuseable and we've made changes' so they don't get their right to sell the product revoked entirely. See: when they changed the formula of Oxycontin to make it very hard to crush (took them til like 2013 to do that I think). Targin came about around 6 years ago I think.
 
This is something I've heard a number of people complain of lately my boyfriend has been REALLY fucked around by it. He's been trying to get some rebates processed for literally months now. I don't know what changed in their system, I remember when I used to be able to drop in the physical form and get it processed by the next day. You won't get in trouble for submitting both, it'll just get rejected as 'already processed' when they get to the duplicate one, whichever gets processed first. If they do want to have a whinge at you about it you can quite reasonably say you were at your wits end trying to get it processed - you would be far from the only person submitting both types in the hope that one of them gets processed i reckon
Thank you so much for letting me know. Sorry to hear your boyfriend is having issues having some processed also. I know it's probably just a common issue and something is going on with their system for everyone. When I got access to it on my mygov I saw my bank account number was wrong which was odd as I have had the same account for years. I changed that and some other old details they have so hopefully now everything is up to date but when I submitted the form online it said automatically it was blurry but it was all I had so I just said submit anyway.

I was just having a whinge and it's probably not linked to my other issue. That's the thing with it - it trains your brain to want to call everything the gang stalking but I am mindful to know that's not the case. They are not going to defeat me - I am in charge of my reactions.
 
Thank you for your reply and I get what you are saying. I do have an anxious disposition. It's true. But that's their confirmation bias and projection to treat me differently and try to get me to snap. I handle things the best I can.

Also about not caring what they think - I honestly don't so all I will do is let it go. I only want to record it as I think it's wrong and unethical that such a thing happens.

People will believe what they want. The other thing is what do I have to gain by putting this out there? Most people chime in with telling me to get help and people all jump on that and like their reply to feel important or whatever. I have nothing to gain but also nothing to lose so I am going for it and talking about my experience. Whether it matters or not to me. Also I am not entirely sure it's all due to my opiate use. It could be that or something else. The chronic illness I have puts me on the list as a faker. It might be a combination of things.

Until I can get actual evidence I will bow out because I can see where this is going and I have support and people who know it happens and believe me.

As for what you have to gain putting this out there the answer is simply and obvious: attention. You claim you don't want social interaction and just to be a hermit but if that were the case you wouldn't even be saying it, just doing it.

To tell you the truth it's hard to know if you are being sincere. I know you are often come off as a troll who writes this stuff to get people to try and respond. You don't really listen to any replies and seem to just want to share the next story.

I have to admit I've found a morbid fascination with what crazy example you'll give next to prove the massive conspiracy against the very special person that is you.

It's like you'll tell us a story and we'll all be like, "No, friend Anonymouse77, surely the bus driver is not part of the conspiracy he just didn't see you and drove away!"
And you'll sagely respond, "Indeed friends, I saw his face as he closed the doors, it is for sooth he did it on purpose because he didn't like the cut of my jib..."
 
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It's just going to be so they can show the FDA/TGA 'see we heard your concerns about our products being abuseable and we've made changes' so they don't get their right to sell the product revoked entirely. See: when they changed the formula of Oxycontin to make it very hard to crush (took them til like 2013 to do that I think). Targin came about around 6 years ago I think.
You can't just patent s combination of known drugs like nalaxone and oxy without some synergistic or "non obvious" to use the legal terminology, effects.

There is no effect of adding the nalaxone in humans but they fact this formulation is patented means there had to be some data showing something useful about combining them. Probably in vitro garbage data that doesn't translate to humans.

Nonetheless mixing a drug with another drug that blocks the same receptor is moronic. But the amounts of naloxone they put in do nothing and subixone can be IVed just fine

Do you know the mg of nalaoxone and mg of oxy in your formulation?
 
You can't just patent s combination of known drugs like nalaxone and oxy without some synergistic or "non obvious" to use the legal terminology, effects.

There is no effect of adding the nalaxone in humans but they fact this formulation is patented means there had to be some data showing something useful about combining them. Probably in vitro garbage data that doesn't translate to humans.

Nonetheless mixing a drug with another drug that blocks the same receptor is moronic. But the amounts of naloxone they put in do nothing and subixone can be IVed just fine

Do you know the mg of nalaoxone and mg of oxy in your formulation?
Naltrexone In microgram doses along with oxycodone has been instrumental to me quitting it. If the ratio is right, small doses of antagonists work to prevent tolerance/addiction. I’m not sure how this Carries over into naloxone though or if the dosages make sense. For reference I eat about 40mcg of naltrexone a day when taking opioids. They last longer and I can titrate off with much less difficulty
 
Naltrexone In microgram doses along with oxycodone has been instrumental to me quitting it. If the ratio is right, small doses of antagonists work to prevent tolerance/addiction. I’m not sure how this Carries over into naloxone though or if the dosages make sense. For reference I eat about 40mcg of naltrexone a day when taking opioids. They last longer and I can titrate off with much

Naltrexone In microgram doses along with oxycodone has been instrumental to me quitting it. If the ratio is right, small doses of antagonists work to prevent tolerance/addiction. I’m not sure how this Carries over into naloxone though or if the dosages make sense. For reference I eat about 40mcg of naltrexone a day when taking opioids. They last longer and I can titrate off with much less difficulty
Naltrexone is a partial agonist and an antagonist So I can see that possibility.

Nalaxone is pure antagonist so it's just going to make people sick and make the opioid not kill pain (if it's in high enough dose and administered correctly)....but these miniscule additions of nalaxone to a full agonist like oxy intended to be a lain killer seems R-worded and just a scam to patent a drug they can overcharge for.
 
As for what you have to gain putting this out there the answer is simply and obvious: attention. You claim you don't want social interaction and just to be a hermit but if that were the case you wouldn't even be saying it, just doing it.

To tell you the truth it's hard to know if you are being sincere. I know you are often come off as a troll who writes this stuff to get people to try and respond. You don't really listen to any replies and seem to just want to share the next story.

I have to admit I've found a morbid fascination with what crazy example you'll give next to prove the massive conspiracy against the very special person that is you.

It's like you'll tell us a story and we'll all be like, "No, friend Anonymouse77, surely the bus driver is not part of the conspiracy he just didn't see you and drove away!"
And you'll sagely respond, "Indeed friends, I saw his face as he closed the doors, it is for sooth he did it on purpose because he didn't like the cut of my jib..."
No and you give a great example of why I avoid people. It's simply I wanted advice in how to deal with it which was given further upthread when I literally asked for examples I could say. I don't want attention in any form and as far as saying if I don't like people then why care - because I'm still a human and it's not a pleasant thing to have happen to be followed and know you're on some radar. Now you are become antagonistic because I didn't react how you wanted and be all, "oh yes, I'll talk to someone, you're all right, etc".

You've just proven and reinforced that I wish to remain a hermit and I guess that means I get to be treated like a weirdo by the community. What attention am getting, exactly? Words on a forum? Do you really think you're that important that I am going to jump just because you are now becoming antagonistic and hostile yourself? Do you think anything really actually matters in the great scheme of things?

Given you are literally laughing at my examples I won't post again.
 
SEE THAT EVERYONE! THERE IS *NO* SUPPORT GIVEN TO MEMBERS WHO ARE GANG STALKED IN REAL LIFE. YOU WILL JUST BE FURTHER HUMILIATED AND GASLIT OFF THE SITE.
 
SEE THAT EVERYONE! THERE IS *NO* SUPPORT GIVEN TO MEMBERS WHO ARE GANG STALKED IN REAL LIFE. YOU WILL JUST BE FURTHER HUMILIATED AND GASLIT OFF THE SITE.
It is not the responsibility of our users to support you through this. They can provide opinions, perspectives and advice, but at the end of the day your situation is your responsibility and yours alone. Work through it, play the game and figure it out.
 
I'm going to close this thread now because it's clear you're just looking to blame other people and make excuses rather than address your personal issues. You are also becoming hostile and accusing other members of "gas lighting" you, which is not the case at all.

If anything doesn't fit your very specific narrative it's "part of the conspiracy".
 
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