• 🇳🇿 🇲🇲 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇦🇺 🇦🇶 🇮🇳
    Australian & Asian
    Drug Discussion


    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • AADD Moderators: swilow | Vagabond696

Misc Doctors being watched?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Austrralias authoritarian government is scary in a variety of ways.

so are lots of the US. But on the west coast of the US it's not as bad. Drugs were fully decriminalized in oregon...I mean I'm sure you can't get a pain script but u can legally buy pills if u have an "illegal" connect
I actually am lucky enough to have an authority for slow release oxycodone because my body is super busted (NMO, EDS, arthritis) and i'm anaphylactic allergic to NSAIDs. They're still trying to get me off them though. Black market pharma painkillers are crazy expensive here from my understanding
 
I'm not sure I should say more as it will just be used against me. I will just say though that we ALL project and have confirmation biases. Whether you believe what I'm saying or are determined that this doesn't exist - that's also a confirmation bias.
 
Who is using things against you on here? You can report that to the mod team...
 
Who is using things against you on here? You can report that to the mod team...
I just mean they will read through it and come at me saying that none of what I wrote makes sense or I sound crazy, etc.

I just want to say some things about it. It's definitely happening and I have to wonder who is behind it.

If police are involved then we will assume a judge or court has okayed this. It wouldn't be widely known about but on the down-low. My message is this: gangstalkers go fuck yourselves! If it's a judge signing off on this harassment then they can kiss my fat ass. You are no better than me and are complete cowards to send other people out to do your dirty work in the form of humiliation rituals and other mind games. The shrinks and doctors involved are completely unethical and should have their licenses removed. I imagine shrinks and psychologists are involved in some capacity to tell these stalkers what to do and how to behave for that particular target. What you are doing is evil and I'm sure you sit back feeling superior that at least your "trying" and you probably are convinced you're doing some good. Doing good by trying to push vulnerable people with mental health issues to snap with not even yourselves at the frontline but other people who come in contact with the target. So brave of you! You are rich elitist pigs who I have no time for. Do you pay the people danger money in case the target does snap and they get hurt? *ALL* people can only take so much but you have a knack finding weaker ones so you can make them snap a bit easier.
 
Honestly it sounds like you're asking for trouble by focusing so much on this rather than looking at ways to improve your current position.

You're in this position directly as a result of your addiction to pain medication, yes?
If that's the case, why not look at addressing the addiction? I would be looking into a treatment centre or some other drug and alcohol services to get some support and actually deal with the root problem.

I understand you were involved in an accident that lead to you being prescribed strong painkillers which lead to an addiction. If you remove the addiction from the equation, then your situation automatically improves. I guarantee if you can get to a point where you no longer rely on opioids, you will see things very differently.
 
Honestly it sounds like you're asking for trouble by focusing so much on this rather than looking at ways to improve your current position.

You're in this position directly as a result of your addiction to pain medication, yes?
If that's the case, why not look at addressing the addiction? I would be looking into a treatment centre or some other drug and alcohol services to get some support and actually deal with the root problem.

I understand you were involved in an accident that lead to you being prescribed strong painkillers which lead to an addiction. If you remove the addiction from the equation, then your situation automatically improves. I guarantee if you can get to a point where you no longer rely on opioids, you will see things very differently.
See that's an example of gaslighting. Just ignore it, your imagining it, etc. I'm sorry but this is happening and I will talk about my experience with it and who knows - someone else might recognise it and it might help them deal with it. If we just sweep it under the carpet then the problem gets worse. It needs to be exposed that they are targeting addicts in this way and I would have thought a forum about drugs would agree.

Yes I had an injury and am now addicted but I am followed around now like I'm some big-time drug dealer or manufacturer. Imagine how that feels. I was completely gaslit at a hair appointment on Wednesday like I have never experienced which was planned and booked compared to my last appointment in January where I walked in off the street with no appointment and got straight in and was treated normally, friendly and professionally. They *ARE* wasting their own time and resources by doing this.
 
Last edited:
See that's an example of gaslighting. Just ignore it, your imagining it, etc. I'm sorry but this is happening and I will talk about my experience with it and who knows - someone else might recognise it and it might help them deal with it. If we just sweep it under the carpet then the problem gets worse. It needs to be exposed that they are targeting addicts in this way and I would have thought a forum about drugs would agree.

Yes I had an injury and am now addicted but I am followed around now like I'm some big-time drug dealer or manufacturer. Imagine how that feels. I was completely gaslit at a hair appointment on Wednesday like I have never experienced which was planned and booked compared to my last appointment in January where I walked in off the street with no appointment and got straight in and was treated normally, friendly and professionally. They *ARE* wasting their own time and resources by doing this.
no judge okays "harassment" that is not a thing that judges do in any country that I am aware of. nor is there any logical reason that people would want to harass you simply for "being on opioids" ... im not trying to gaslight you, im trying to get you to take a step back and look at the situation from a different point of view, but you very much seem locked in and unwilling to do that. Sorry to hear / see that, i hope you get help with your situation.

and it is definitely not that people here don't care about abuse or harassment of drug addicts... it's that a lot of us have experienced persecution delusions and PTSD hypervigilance.
I'd urge you to have a long think on what possible logical reason there could be for an entire group of people (who would be footing the bill for this constant harassment? one person following someone costs 2-3000$ for 24h. who is paying multiple people hourly to follow/mess with you? the cash outlay would be enormous) to spend entire days doing nothing but making your life hell. Is it more reasonable that this mass cabal/conspiracy is taking place just to hassle you for being on an opioid (millions of people are on opioids, there is literally nothing to be gained by spying on them/messing with them. let alone the money it would cost to do that), or that you are dealing with some stress related cognitive issues?
 
Last edited:
no judge okays "harassment" that is not a thing that judges do in any country that I am aware of. nor is there any logical reason that people would want to harass you simply for "being on opioids" ... im not trying to gaslight you, im trying to get you to take a step back and look at the situation from a different point of view, but you very much seem locked in and unwilling to do that. Sorry to hear / see that, i hope you get help with your situation.

and it is definitely not that people here don't care about abuse or harassment of drug addicts... it's that a lot of us have experienced persecution delusions and PTSD hypervigilance.
I'd urge you to have a long think on what possible logical reason there could be for an entire group of people (who would be footing the bill for this constant harassment? one person following someone costs 2-3000$ for 24h. who is paying multiple people hourly to follow/mess with you? the cash outlay would be enormous) to spend entire days doing nothing but making your life hell. Is it more reasonable that this mass cabal/conspiracy is taking place just to hassle you for being on an opioid (millions of people are on opioids, there is literally nothing to be gained by spying on them/messing with them. let alone the money it would cost to do that), or that you are dealing with some stress related cognitive issues?
I understand what you are saying and I am not going to argue because I am a peaceful person and I want to make it clear that not everyone who speaks out about this "monitoring" or "program" or whatever it's called is a crazy delusional person about to go postal as was mentioned by someone. I have problems - yes - but I just want to be left alone and not monitored. I don't believe they're following me place to place but I believe there's a flag somehow of my car when it travels to various places like a big shopping centre, eg. There are cameras literally everywhere on the roads and at most major intersections. I believe they just know the place I'm at and use their security to do the "monitoring" and a police car will ALWAYS pass me on my way home. Considering I am housebound a lot from chronic illness the odds of that happening are low so it's more than just a coincidental sighting. On Wednesday it was as soon as I left the centre and got on the main road as I was at the centre for a long time getting this haircut so it showed they were fed up with waiting and did the "monitoring" early on as soon as I left. I swear to God.

But my message is I will not be defeated and I will not be provoked to get the reaction you want so you can label me as crazy. I do not want forced social interactions and wish to live my life on my terms. Oh also I want physician assisted death available.
 
Also I would like general advice because I am also autistic and struggle with social interactions. If I am in a scenario where it's two or more other people (usually has to be like that for this to work) and they look at each other and smirk and laugh and you *know* somethings going on and they are trying to make things weird - what should I do? At one stage I did ask if everything's okay? and they just said yes or whatever. They are not going to admit it, of course, but I would like to know how I should act in future if it occurs again.

I appreciate any help and thank you for reading.
 
Also I would like general advice because I am also autistic and struggle with social interactions. If I am in a scenario where it's two or more other people (usually has to be like that for this to work) and they look at each other and smirk and laugh and you *know* somethings going on and they are trying to make things weird - what should I do? At one stage I did ask if everything's okay? and they just said yes or whatever. They are not going to admit it, of course, but I would like to know how I should act in future if it occurs again.

I appreciate any help and thank you for reading.
generally speaking, 80% of people are idiots, assholes and mentally ill in their own ways (my own observation).
one - you never know what is going on in another persons mind. that is specifically magical/borderline personality type of thought pattern. you never know what is truly happening in the mind of another human, let alone two of them.
Pretty much everyone is weird, all the time, especially in random social interactions and especially after the pandemic. I would urge you to find people you can trust, that are friends and ask specific questions about social interactions and as far as strangers out and around - who cares? If people want to be weird, is it worth it to distress yourself over how they act? Why not just move on, and focus on interactions with people you trust and enjoy?

I have no desire to label you as anything, or think you're "crazy".
I think you're struggling w some very real social anxiety and interaction issues, which is a far cry from crazy.

the only thing i question is the organized effort to track/harass specifically you and/or Rx opioid patients.
I know we have other autistic members on here that struggle with social interaction, hopefully some of them will chime in.
 
See that's an example of gaslighting. Just ignore it, your imagining it, etc. I'm sorry but this is happening and I will talk about my experience with it and who knows - someone else might recognise it and it might help them deal with it. If we just sweep it under the carpet then the problem gets worse. It needs to be exposed that they are targeting addicts in this way and I would have thought a forum about drugs would agree.

Yes I had an injury and am now addicted but I am followed around now like I'm some big-time drug dealer or manufacturer. Imagine how that feels. I was completely gaslit at a hair appointment on Wednesday like I have never experienced which was planned and booked compared to my last appointment in January where I walked in off the street with no appointment and got straight in and was treated normally, friendly and professionally. They *ARE* wasting their own time and resources by doing this.
I'm not gas lighting you at all, quite the opposite actually. I had some similar experiences to you during the times where I struggled with substance abuse as well and have a reasonable understanding of what you are talking about. Obviously I can't go into much detail or speak openly, but I can give you some advice.

The main thing I DID notice is that the situation only started to improve when i started taking personal responsibility for my situation, focusing on myself and actively making efforts to develop and improve rather than worry about what's going on around me.

I know how you feel and emphasize with your situation, so don't mistake me for a troll or gas lighter. Productivity is your way out here.
 
generally speaking, 80% of people are idiots, assholes and mentally ill in their own ways (my own observation).
one - you never know what is going on in another persons mind. that is specifically magical/borderline personality type of thought pattern. you never know what is truly happening in the mind of another human, let alone two of them.
Pretty much everyone is weird, all the time, especially in random social interactions and especially after the pandemic. I would urge you to find people you can trust, that are friends and ask specific questions about social interactions and as far as strangers out and around - who cares? If people want to be weird, is it worth it to distress yourself over how they act? Why not just move on, and focus on interactions with people you trust and enjoy?

I have no desire to label you as anything, or think you're "crazy".
I think you're struggling w some very real social anxiety and interaction issues, which is a far cry from crazy.

the only thing i question is the organized effort to track/harass specifically you and/or Rx opioid patients.
I know we have other autistic members on here that struggle with social interaction, hopefully some of them will chime in.
Thank you for your advice and understanding. I do stand by that something is going on. I think if/when it happens again I will speak up and say something like, "What's so funny"? or "Must be an inside joke!" I can't think on my feet and freeze up. I honestly don't want human interactions and feel I should be able to live my life without it if I choose. There's always been hermits, right? I am one. I identify as a hermit.

I just had a cup of my coca leaf tea and it's definitely having some effect.
 
This is from Wednesday but I wrote it up after it happened so it was fresh in my mind what happened.

Somehow they have infiltrated my electronics (messages and phone calls) which was evident by today with a hairdressing appointment I had. I randomly called a salon last week to ask if an apprentice could cut my hair to practice on (for no charge as I am broke). I saw the suggestion somewhere on the www and then phoned somewhere and coincidentally the first place I phoned had exactly what I wanted in a week's time! This is the first time I have ever done this though I have had haircuts at the local TAFE technical college where they do cheap services.

So when I get to the appointment there is a security guard manning the entrance as I get there (not even 9am as that was the appointment time). I saw another on the way to the salon stationed somewhere where they could easily see my path.

I get to the salon which is in the back of a hairdressing supplies shop (priceattack) and it's still closed as it's not 9am yet but I could see through the windows to the salon part at the back and several staff were sitting around and having a meeting, looking at notes, etc.

When they open and I eventually got in it started with the "mean girl" looks (as I call them) between the supervisor and apprentice. What are they? Smirks and looks at each other like they are about to to absolutely lose it and laugh hysterically and trying to hide it. I now call this the humiliation ritual. It's done to try to push the target to act out in a way that makes them look crazy. When I showed a picture on my phone of what I wanted she acted hostile and antagonistic about why that style wouldn't suit me and acted like I was crazy for wanting it even though I know my hair type and what suits it and it wasn't unsuitable. If the apprentice was unable to do that cut as it was beyond her skill level I would have accepted that (of course) and just asked for a trim but it was put back and framed as though I was ridiculous and it needed heavy styling to make it look the way it was in the picture. In the end I could see something was up and just asked for a trim.

She asked weirdly why I wanted no fringe and said something like oh is this for your work that you want no fringe? I just said no I am not working and have chronic illness and left it at that.

The cut was done and I maintained my composure though the looks and smirks kept happening. Also the apprentice girl was full-on staring me down in a bid to make me feel uncomfortable. I'm not even a big talk but if I said anything it was half listened to and then they zoned out and were interrupted. It was a very weird vibe. As I left I saw security guards on my exit as though they were almost escorting me from the building.

As soon as I pulled into the main road to leave a police vehicle went straight past me as though it was waiting. It just occurred to me that the reason they were so close is that they were anticipating a "scene" if I had reacted. Lucky for me (lol) I have been bullied my whole life so know how to zone out when it occurs.

In contrast my last cut before this was in January at a random salon one Saturday morning when I just walked in off the street. The experience between these were like night and day. At this other appointment in January they were luckily able to do the hair then and there and they treated me normally and professionally.

Honestly, it was not worth the free cut to go through that and next time I will either grow it out and cut it myself or go to a random salon when I want a cut as I know they can't organise their humiliation rituals then.

Thank you for reading. PLEASE let me know if this makes sense. Also PLEASE trust that it's not the medication giving me psychosis or whatever and I'm imagining this as opioids aren't even known for that effect. If I was smoking crack or meth or whatever I would agree with you.
 
I actually am lucky enough to have an authority for slow release oxycodone because my body is super busted (NMO, EDS, arthritis) and i'm anaphylactic allergic to NSAIDs. They're still trying to get me off them though. Black market pharma painkillers are crazy expensive here from my understanding
Yes Australia has the highest black market drug prices in the world. Sorry.

It's a beautiful country nature wise but the government is super cringe there.

I've actually wanted to get switched from methadone (2 5 mg pills per.day) to slow release oxy.

The methadone lasts a super long time for pain but it takes 2 or 3 hours to start working and when I get slammed with a pain flare I hate waiting so long.

Does slow release oxy kick in faster? Have you taken methadone for pain I would like to ask u more questions on comparing them if so.
 
I actually am lucky enough to have an authority for slow release oxycodone because my body is super busted (NMO, EDS, arthritis) and i'm anaphylactic allergic to NSAIDs. They're still trying to get me off them though. Black market pharma painkillers are crazy expensive here from my understanding
Is this in Australia? Sorry to hear you have so much chronic pain.
 
Yes Australia has the highest black market drug prices in the world. Sorry.

It's a beautiful country nature wise but the government is super cringe there.

I've actually wanted to get switched from methadone (2 5 mg pills per.day) to slow release oxy.

The methadone lasts a super long time for pain but it takes 2 or 3 hours to start working and when I get slammed with a pain flare I hate waiting so long.

Does slow release oxy kick in faster? Have you taken methadone for pain I would like to ask u more questions on comparing them if so.
Slow release lasts longer but not the 12 hours it was marketed as - if you get more than 8 hours relief from a tablet you're pretty lucky (a nurse straight up said that to me once). Docs pretty much won't prescribe Oxycontin here anymore, it's a product called Targin now which is oxycodone mixed with naloxone in a time release formula - marketed to doctors as 'reducing opioid induced constipation' but it's to try and prevent people abusing them as you can't snort or inject it without causing precipitated withdrawals. You can still crush the tablet and sublingual it/eat it for it to kick in immediately or just take more pills so it doesn't *really* prevent abuse and it sure as shit (pun not intended) doesn't reduce the constipation - it does feel like it reduces the effectiveness of the oxy component itself like 20mg targin feels less strong than 20mg oxycontin. That could just be placebo but I know a lot of other people have reported the same thing. I'm only on 15mg of it twice a day so nowhere near enough to move onto methadone. To be frank the QT prolongation issue scares the shit out of me as I already have a heart arrhythmia so methadone would be an absolute last resort. In any case I get regular ketamine infusions which desensitises my pain and allows me to drop the amount of oxy i take by 30-50% in the space of a few days with no withdrawals. Due for my next one soon

Is this in Australia? Sorry to hear you have so much chronic pain.
Yes in Australia. Thanks. I miss the days when I could ask for a one off script of oxycontin for two weeks if i was having a pain flare. They won't even give you panadeine forte now unless a specialist has signed off on it. They really want to punish people in pain here.
 
This is from Wednesday but I wrote it up after it happened so it was fresh in my mind what happened.

Somehow they have infiltrated my electronics (messages and phone calls) which was evident by today with a hairdressing appointment I had. I randomly called a salon last week to ask if an apprentice could cut my hair to practice on (for no charge as I am broke). I saw the suggestion somewhere on the www and then phoned somewhere and coincidentally the first place I phoned had exactly what I wanted in a week's time! This is the first time I have ever done this though I have had haircuts at the local TAFE technical college where they do cheap services.

So when I get to the appointment there is a security guard manning the entrance as I get there (not even 9am as that was the appointment time). I saw another on the way to the salon stationed somewhere where they could easily see my path.

I get to the salon which is in the back of a hairdressing supplies shop (priceattack) and it's still closed as it's not 9am yet but I could see through the windows to the salon part at the back and several staff were sitting around and having a meeting, looking at notes, etc.

When they open and I eventually got in it started with the "mean girl" looks (as I call them) between the supervisor and apprentice. What are they? Smirks and looks at each other like they are about to to absolutely lose it and laugh hysterically and trying to hide it. I now call this the humiliation ritual. It's done to try to push the target to act out in a way that makes them look crazy. When I showed a picture on my phone of what I wanted she acted hostile and antagonistic about why that style wouldn't suit me and acted like I was crazy for wanting it even though I know my hair type and what suits it and it wasn't unsuitable. If the apprentice was unable to do that cut as it was beyond her skill level I would have accepted that (of course) and just asked for a trim but it was put back and framed as though I was ridiculous and it needed heavy styling to make it look the way it was in the picture. In the end I could see something was up and just asked for a trim.

She asked weirdly why I wanted no fringe and said something like oh is this for your work that you want no fringe? I just said no I am not working and have chronic illness and left it at that.

The cut was done and I maintained my composure though the looks and smirks kept happening. Also the apprentice girl was full-on staring me down in a bid to make me feel uncomfortable. I'm not even a big talk but if I said anything it was half listened to and then they zoned out and were interrupted. It was a very weird vibe. As I left I saw security guards on my exit as though they were almost escorting me from the building.

As soon as I pulled into the main road to leave a police vehicle went straight past me as though it was waiting. It just occurred to me that the reason they were so close is that they were anticipating a "scene" if I had reacted. Lucky for me (lol) I have been bullied my whole life so know how to zone out when it occurs.

In contrast my last cut before this was in January at a random salon one Saturday morning when I just walked in off the street. The experience between these were like night and day. At this other appointment in January they were luckily able to do the hair then and there and they treated me normally and professionally.

Honestly, it was not worth the free cut to go through that and next time I will either grow it out and cut it myself or go to a random salon when I want a cut as I know they can't organise their humiliation rituals then.

Thank you for reading. PLEASE let me know if this makes sense. Also PLEASE trust that it's not the medication giving me psychosis or whatever and I'm imagining this as opioids aren't even known for that effect. If I was smoking crack or meth or whatever I would agree with you.
Hey Anonymouse77, for what it's worth I'm a longtime reader who has been thinking about registering an account recently and reading your posts about your experience inspired me to join and reply to you.

I empathize with you and feel bad for you as I read your experiences. What you write does make some sense but maybe not in the way you want. Based on your descriptions and the way I've seen you communicate with the people on this forum, it is very possible that you are accurately perceiving some of these weird behaviors in other people who make faces and act differently around you, and expect you to make a scene. And the simple truth there would be because you are acting out of the ordinary.

For example, a drunk person (I'm not saying you're acting drunk or intoxicated, but just as an example of this phenomenon) will often not realize how drunk they are acting. But everyone around them sees it and rolls their eyes and expects a scene. The others can see that the drunk person thinks nobody knows they are drunk, but to everyone else it is obvious.

There are two basic possibilities, either you are perceiving some of these behaviors in others accurately or you are not. If you are not, then anxiety and mental health issues are causing you to misperceive what is not there, although to your mind that seems impossible. And if you are perceiving it accurately, then it might be because of the way you are behaving, which like with the drunk example is obvious to others but hidden to you. I don't just make this assumption based on your stories, but also on the way I see you interacting with people on this forum. Pretty much everyone is telling you the same advice: try to ignore or avoid focusing on the behavior of others, and just worry about what you can do that is healthy for you. But you seem to consistently ignore this advice and just keep on focusing on how other people are acting. To me, and I assume almost everyone else, this is a recipe for your bad experiences to continue.

Another issue I face in your stories is that they convey that many unrelated people are in on this plot to harass or humiliate you. Public servants, doctors, regular workers, etc, and in many different environments. And why? Because you use legally prescribed opiates. It makes no sense that this vast conspiracy would exist to humiliate you for your medication. If so many powers wished it, they could simply discontinue your medication. It would be no less illegal than all these workers being instructed to conspire against you.

Also, whether you are using legal or illegal drugs, for you or anyone else that is not important enough to warrant all these surveillance and harassment efforts. It seems unhealthy for you to believe that your drug usage is so important that a vast array of people who don't even know you dedicate so much time and effort to subtly harass or humiliate you.
None of it makes any sense to be honest with you. And as you noted yourself, even on a long-standing and official forum dedicated to drugs, other drug users and people who have experienced mental health challenges consistently reply to you that it seems like you blowing the situation out of proportion. And even if not, your only meaningful response is to ignore and let it go, since their harassment is subtle and you could just ignore it and focus on doing what is healthy for you.

Especially since you're saying you don't want social interactions. Then why care how they act? You seem to be giving it a lot of power. I too have had and have social challenges with people, and as long as they do not outright assault me or steal my possessions, I just ignore them and focus on doing what is right for me. I hope you find a way to do that for you. But historically, you may thank me for this reply and then reiterate that your perceptions are correct and continue to agonize about the behavior of others, and dissect their behavior in some other scenario. I hope you find peace within yourself, because these other people won't give it to you.

P.S. I just want to affirm that I am not denying some of your past experiences where you were harassed by family or people who knew you. I am not denying that social harassment exists. I have experienced it myself throughout my life. I am just finding it difficult to believe that you are being harassed by many people who hardly know you (and have no reason to conspire against you) just because you are prescribed opiates or otherwise use drugs.
 
Last edited:
OP, in regards to what you've said here, have you asked yourself the question "who benefits"?

As in, assuming you are being followed, and there's something sinister afoot, to what ends is this all being done for?
 
For what its worth ...do yourself a big favour ...see someone about it a psychologist....talk to them express what you ' think ' is happening ....seriously try to sort it out ...living each day thinking folks are conspiring watching you all the time has got to be depressing .
 
OP, in regards to what you've said here, have you asked yourself the question "who benefits"?

As in, assuming you are being followed, and there's something sinister afoot, to what ends is this all being done for?
Yes I have asked that and all I can think is it's to provoke a reaction/scene so they can use it against me to get me on the radar for "help". I believe they are gathering evidence but if I give them nothing then they are wasting their time. I already know it's happening so appreciate the people chiming in to tell me to talk to someone but I don't go along with the "hivemind" so I won't be doing that.

Other than that it could be just to drive me to end things so I am less of a burden on society.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top