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Do You Think Ecstasy Should Be Legalised???

Do you think ecstasy should be legalised?

  • Yes. I believe Ecstasy should be legalised for all purposes, including recreational ones.

    Votes: 169 50.8%
  • I think that ecstasy should only be legalised for perscription or theraputic reasons.

    Votes: 76 22.8%
  • No, I don't believe ecstasy should be legalised at all.

    Votes: 88 26.4%

  • Total voters
    333
  • Poll closed .
baybee_J said:

If you make somethin legal it automatically makes it much more mainstream then if it were not.. which will lead to a lot more ppl taking it, creating a world full of etards.. :P


As opposed to a world full of alcoholics or cigarette addicts?

Drugs *are* mainstream. It's just that people don't like to think about it that way.
 
^^^^Exactly... I think those two drugs should be just as much schedule 1 as the others.. If anything GHB, could take alcohols place, as it is nontoxic.. Unfortunatly, Uncle Sam thinks with his wallet, not his mind, and the industries control our government, not the people.
 
nowonmai said:
statistics and all aside, I believe that all drugs should be legalised for the simple reason that it is not for the state/government to regulate what the individual does with their own body.

A valid point man but its kinda the same thing as freedom of speech, you can say anything you like but as soon as what you say interfers with anyone else's rights you lose yours. With drugs sure its fine that you wanna fuck up your body but when you rob a 711 because you needed money for Coke/meth etc... and end up killing a mom and her little boy then it goes from fucking up your life to fucking up someone else's life. You infringed on their rights so you lose yours. Side note I've never heard anyone do anything mean on X =D go figuare
 
in a eutopian society, everyone is responsible and thus able to ingest whatever they please wheneever for whatever reasons.

in this sick sad world, legalizing MDMA would eventually cause a risk for the entire populace. sorry no can do.

i think therapy WOULD have been great, however the media has fucked us over so bad there is no way we would be responsible enough to perscribe it.
 
In my opinion the goverment would make a HUGE mistake if they legalize ecstacy.. just only cause of that young people see it just like weed.. like a herbal you can get in a smartshop.. people would consume it everyday and everybody will discover the beauty of it.

And 10 years later everybody is suffering depression and braindamage...


Legalizing would be a very bad idea..


don't understand the people that chosed for yes
 
THE WOOD said:
in a eutopian society, everyone is responsible and thus able to ingest whatever they please wheneever for whatever reasons.

it.

Humm sounds like communism =D
 
silverfucked said:
^^ No it doesnt....


Sounds much more like hedonism or anarchy to me...

I was only refering to the fact that you mentioned a eutopian society which is what communism was supposed to be.
 
MDMA destroys brain cells in the seretonin and dopamine regions. It also causes permanent cognitive impairmant and destroysshort term memory. In other words it kills brain cells that are never comin back, just like methamphetamine. After each roll I feel that much dumberer..hehe

No, MDMA should not be legal.
 
K'dOUTinAZ said:
MDMA destroys brain cells in the seretonin and dopamine regions. It also causes permanent cognitive impairmant and destroysshort term memory. In other words it kills brain cells that are never comin back, just like methamphetamine. After each roll I feel that much dumberer..hehe

No, MDMA should not be legal.

So because something destroys braincells, it should be illegal? I must remind you that the illegal status doesn't keep people from taking the substance, it only makes the possible consequences far worse. I maintain that the most beneficial way of dealing with drug use, is legalising it while keeping a high level of information about harm reduction and the possible consequences of using drugs.

-Child
 
Where, so far, has the 'war on drugs' got us? Nowhere. Drug use continues to increase and its about time we face the fact that no matter what, drugs are here to stay in society. We need to take a difference approach. I think all drugs should be legalized, for a number of reasons and with a number of conditions.

*If we legalize then we get rid of all drug dealers (which is why we would have to legalize ALL drugs) and lets face it that is who the governments are after, not occassional users who are otherwise law abiding citizens. That erradicates a large drug related problem.

*The money that is saved from doing this can go into rehabilitaton programmes which is the only safetynet that abusers and addicts have. I know that there are some people who will heavily abuse drugs, just like people who abuse alcohol and tobacco, but aren't they going to do that anyway? Lets face it, its not hard to get hold of pretty much anything you want. Some people have more addictive tendencies than others and some are more prone to mental effects like scizophrenia, those are the people who need to be helped. Many of you are against the legalization because of the effects it has had on you, but you were wise enough to realise it was a problem and sought help or stopped, why would this not be the case for other abusers? And surely this is further reason to put more money into rehab.

*Government controlled drugs would be safer in regards to their quality, at least users would know what they are taking. There is no safe drug taking but harm minimization is obviously the best solution when the problem will clearly not go away.

*I understand the argument that if we legalise then the problem could get far worse as it removes the stigma attatched to drug use, but I think the effects of this can also be positive. A large problem with legalization is that there are so many people who are utterly against the use of drugs there would be a massive outcry and governments would lose favour within their consituancies, which is why they are so reluctant to do so. But there is a clear need to bridge the gap between users and non-users. Because of mass media and stereotypes non-users have been led to believe that people who take drugs are not to be trusted and mentally unbalanced. The extent of this is so bad that if the majority of non-users saw a person on the street that had had an overdose, their reaction would be to walk away quickly. This is because of the fear that has been induced, the fear of drug users having AIDS and the dehumanisation of drug users (i.e its their own fault for taking drugs). It is completely beyond me how anyone could leave a person to die on the streets because of their own ignorance. But that is what current drug laws and the media are producing. We need to educate people and stop blinding them with biased information. When do we read about the person who is holding down a professional job, is succeeding in all aspects of their life, is happy and drops a few pills or has a few lines every now and then. We don't, but all users know that they exist. If a successful teacher/doctor, for example, admitted to occassional drug use then they would lose their job regardless of their track record, does that not strike you as completely ridiculous. This gap needs to bridged, there needs to be a common understanding between people, but this pernicious dichotomy will continue until this stigma has been removed. there are free needles distributed in Amsterdam and needle exchanges, but there has not been a decrease in drug related disease (ie AIDS/hepatitis) could this be because the majority of people do not want to admit what they do because of the stigma attatched (I don't know, i am merely speculating here). I am not ignoring the fact that there is (or could be, because when focusing on the negative we really are looking at the worse case scenario) a negative side to legalization, but with intelligent redirection of funds saved and profits made from legalization we can do a lot to counteract these effects.

1)More rehab centers.

2)Proper education on drug taking (It sickens me that all we pump into childrens heads is that drugs are bad, when that child has it first toke on a spliff or drops its first pill, all they can think is 'no drugs are great'). We need to stop shying away from the truth and be blatantly honest, drugs can be great but the effects, addiction and depersonalisation when they are abused are not and this is what we need to delve into with the uneducated, adults and children alike.

3)Controlled drug use. We have more than enough technology to issue adults with ID cards, that keep track of what substances they are buying and have a limit. Heroine addicts should register with doctors to prescribe it to them and should not be for sale for the general public. Cocaine use should be carefully monitored as both of these drugs are physically addictive.

The problem of drugs is not, and will not go away. I know many people will disagree with the things I have said, but find a better solution, I really don't know if there is one.
K Fairy :)
XXX
 
K'dOUTinAZ said:
MDMA destroys brain cells in the seretonin and dopamine regions. It also causes permanent cognitive impairmant and destroysshort term memory. In other words it kills brain cells that are never comin back, just like methamphetamine. After each roll I feel that much dumberer..hehe

No, MDMA should not be legal.

yeah, and so does nicotine, and nicotine kills millions more people per year than all illegal drugs combined, yet its legal? pft.
 
MDMA destroys brain cells in the seretonin and dopamine regions. It also causes permanent cognitive impairmant and destroysshort term memory. In other words it kills brain cells that are never comin back, just like methamphetamine. After each roll I feel that much dumberer..hehe

Thats because you are not USING your brain any more, its still in there somewhere waiting for you to use it, when you decide to it'll work just fine.
 
I'm undecided if it should be legalized. If it was legalized it would be easier to get a hold of, but @ the same time it would kind of take the fun out of doing it. People always like doing stuff they know is wrong to begin with *LOL*. If it were to be legalized, I think they should make only a certain amount of logos and with the difference logos comes a different dose. Make the weakest ones be like $5 a pop, and make the strongest be like $15-$20. Also, there should be a limit to how many a person could buy @ a time, kind of what they do with alcohol @ certain bars and beer distributors. Well, that's my thought on it... :) Peace!

- SCOOBZ
 
people need to be more educated about something before it can get legalised.. and the education today is like.. drugs r bad. drugs kill. dont do drugs.. = very intelligent high class education...
 
MDMA destroys brain cells in the seretonin and dopamine regions. It also causes permanent cognitive impairmant and destroysshort term memory. In other words it kills brain cells that are never comin back, just like methamphetamine. After each roll I feel that much dumberer..hehe

1) i didnt have any brain cells to start off with :P

2) proof of the permenant damage pleeeeeeeaaaaseeeeeeeeee

3) think mj got to my short term memory before e did. saying that ive just got a crap memory anyway

4) every pint of lager / beer / one unit of alcohol you sink you kill 10 brain cells. you have kajillions of braincells which keep reproducing (cant remember the term, aint done biology in a few years) and making each other up

5) if you feel dumber after each roll why do you do it?
 
everything should be legal, but highly regulated.

and parents: teach your kids, don't beat them!

and media: stop portraying drugs as the evils of society, look inward, not outward for our faults.
 
SCOOBZ98 said:
If it was legalized it would be easier to get a hold of, but @ the same time it would kind of take the fun out of doing it. People always like doing stuff they know is wrong to begin with *LOL*.

Right here. This is perhaps the main reason why usage would decrease after an initial shock-wave, if you will, (if ecstasy was legalized). Like throwing a stone into a pond. You'll see the ripples for a bit but the pond does calm down again.

Secondly, if a controlled environment were introduced with legalization, we could force people to learn. If you are at all interested in this topic and haven't read this (http://thedea.org/thealternative.html), I suggest you do so. It basically outlines an entire system for a controlled drug environment. You either take the classes to get your liscence, or you don't use the drug. Much like driving a car. This allong with strict punishment for those who attempt to go around the system would create an entire population of drug users that understand what they're putting into their bodies and know the risks they're taking.

Thirdly, those of you whom are against legalization, do you realize you are forfiting your freedom as an individual? Because you may end up killing yourself, you are not allowed to put any psychedelics into your body. They might as well make it illegal to drink bleach. See where I'm going with this? If you suddenly get the urge to go eat some dirt and drink a pint of windex, you can. But if you want to drop a pill, nonono, it's illegal to put whatever you want into your OWN body.

I realize I'm rambling but damnit, I have to vent.

My last and perhaps most important point is this:
Legalization = more usage control.
My 13 year old brother told me the other day that he knows at least 5 people that will sell him marijuana, 2 that have mushrooms, and 2 that have ecstasy (the 2 that were selling mushies and E were 2 of the 5 that were selling mj). My brother doesn't know a damn thing about the effects any of those drugs will have on him. He has now idea how much to take. I can just imagine him buying a large quantitiy of mushrooms and eating the whole bag. Next thing I know I get a call from the emergency room saying that he overdosed on mushrooms. If drugs were legalized and controlled, black-market availability would be draticly reduced. Why buy from Martinez at 20 bucks a hit when the Rx Pharmacy sells CLEAN, PURE, doeses for 4 dollars each? So what happens is Martinez can't sell his shit and finds a real job and 13 yearold Timmy can't find any doses to buy, eleminating the possibility of a death due to ignorance. Get it?

Alright, I'm tired and my spelling sucks so I'll get off my soap box now.

Peace


NOTE: all names in this post are purely ficticious

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