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Do you regret taking drugs?

smokeymcpot42088 said:
the best of times the worst of times.... everything in moderation including moderation itself...so many quotes that sum it up with brevity like I will not be able. No I don't regret any of my drug use; I TRULY and SINCERELY regret we live in a world with drug prohibition however.......stigmatization, even worse. Than when they move to persecution and prosecution I am guessing you know how I feel. No no drugs are not the problem in my opinion. I did get rather useless when for awhile due to excessive sedative use. I missed a bit of time with my deceased father that would be, well certainly more important than any high or nod. (and that is outside of stigmatization and prohibition), I mean strictly due to the time spent half conscious. But no I regret nothing other than the current state of society and culture regarding drug use.
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I completely agree...
I'll quickly state, I do not regret using any drug, via any ROA at anytime. That being said, because of the god awful amount of laws against individual drug use and the resulting time lost spent behind bars, jobs, therefore finances lost, and relationships ruined because the other has been conditioned by my society to judge or look down on those who chose to use drugs, usually someone that doesn't know the first thing about our "lifestyles" yet love judging because sadly that makes them feel better...I bet it doesn't fill better than that first perfect IV shot of H, no, not even close. LoL.
Now another point:
Who the F**k is anyone to tell any human being anywhere, what they can or cant place into one's own body.
Now look, I get it, if whatever substance or if its asphalt gravel, whatever, (that's not the point) that you decide to put into your body causes you to harm another, then there should rightly be and are laws for these cases.
But tell me how, in my country, the supposedly "Freest Country On Earth" can they even pretend to use that kind of bold statement, when they have the right to prosecute and imprison you for putting a substance inside of your own body. Deep down we have all got know, they know, its so fundamentally wrong, but it allows them to open the door to so many other bullshit laws the come out of this simple act.
Now, should "I/we-aka-the public" be able to MAKE "said substances"? I actually say no. I want them made by corporations with access to chemicals, percussors, special unique catalyst & equipment so advanced, to make said substances precisely.
Should "I/we/anyone" be able to TAKE any substance no matter how harmful or helpful that I choose? Not caring if its some damn tree bark, lead paint, or say, a substituted amphetamine. YOU GOD**N RIGHT we should, absolutely, 100%.
In my country, "no one owns my persons", except me and me alone.
Now if I go making someone eat some lead paint, well, ya'll get it.
 
No. They actually agree with me. And helped me. Not have helped me but helped me.
So there you go. I also believe that most everything is not bad either. I guess it is about
how full the glass is.
I also believe that not all drugs are harmful but how they should be used in a safe healthy way
in other words. There are case's where drinking too caused fatalities. The purer the better result.
 
I do regret succumbing to drugs to the point of my actions causing harm to others. Making life harder than it had to be, causing undue worry/stress (yeah, since I "acquired" a conscious and empathy I know what they went through and it aint pretty) or actually doing bodily harm (not my friends/family).
Woke up at 4 am this morning in tears... been a while but didnt fool myself into thinking these pains had abated. Feels good to get it out but it does freaking hurt.
So... although I am not where I was drugwise a few years ago, I still fuck up but call it "dabblin". lol I know its all a game I play with myself. As long as my dumb ass doesnt fuck up too badly while we are still together, Im golden. And our cats... got do right by them as long as we hangin, yeah? ;)
mr peabody said:
Weed was the worst. That absolutely WRECKED my life when I was in my 20s. I lost everything, and believ
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I robbed somebody as a teen to get weed. I do not understand it these days but damn if I wasnt addicted big time somehow.
USMCpharm2009 said:
Now if I go making someone eat some lew
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We call this "research" inda good ol u s of a
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Welcome to bl. Hope ya find the place comfy.
Love the "free to do me" attitude. Seems reasonable and sane. :unsure:
Best wishes and be safe?
Peace
 
It's hard to answer. I kind of regret ever getting into kratom, but it also saved my life. I've just been taking it daily for years at this point and don't know how I'll ever get off it. I'm also on valium for the last 4 months but I've genuinely needed it because my life has been hell. When the time comes, I will be honest with my doctor and say, I'm finding myself depending on it, let's start the taper process. Gotta get my sinus surgery done later this month first and get the hell out of my current horrible job.

Ultimately I think kratom is more problematic. I don't regret the period that I first started taking it because it genuinely helped me become a better person and achieve things that were not possible for me at the time due to cripping anxiety/depression. But it's overstayed its welcome. I just take it to feel good now.
 
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I regret a lot of my drug use yeah. Then again, I barely give a flying fuck about anything any more so it's hard to be committal these days to such a big regret like sticking a needle in my arm and fucking whoooooosh

love it

(harm redux yada yada its ok to be mad or whatever i wont kill myself promise)
 
USMCpharm2009 said:
I completely agree...
I'll quickly state, I do not regret using any drug, via any ROA at anytime. That being said, because of the god awful amount of laws against individual drug use and the resulting time lost spent behind bars, jobs, therefore finances lost, and relationships ruined because the other has been conditioned by my society to judge or look down on those who chose to use drugs, usually someone that doesn't know the first thing about our "lifestyles" yet love judging because sadly that makes them feel better...I bet it doesn't fill better than that first perfect IV shot of H, no, not even close. LoL.
Now another point:
Who the F**k is anyone to tell any human being anywhere, what they can or cant place into one's own body.
Now look, I get it, if whatever substance or if its asphalt gravel, whatever, (that's not the point) that you decide to put into your body causes you to harm another, then there should rightly be and are laws for these cases.
But tell me how, in my country, the supposedly "Freest Country On Earth" can they even pretend to use that kind of bold statement, when they have the right to prosecute and imprison you for putting a substance inside of your own body. Deep down we have all got know, they know, its so fundamentally wrong, but it allows them to open the door to so many other bullshit laws the come out of this simple act.
Now, should "I/we-aka-the public" be able to MAKE "said substances"? I actually say no. I want them made by corporations with access to chemicals, percussors, special unique catalyst & equipment so advanced, to make said substances precisely.
Should "I/we/anyone" be able to TAKE any substance no matter how harmful or helpful that I choose? Not caring if its some damn tree bark, lead paint, or say, a substituted amphetamine. YOU GOD**N RIGHT we should, absolutely, 100%.
In my country, "no one owns my persons", except me and me alone.
Now if I go making someone eat some lead paint, well, ya'll get it.
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We are on the same page. I don't wan't home chemists either, but if you could buy the drug at lets saw wallymart......whatever would you be compelled to synth for? If I understood you right. Im guessing walmart would find the cheapest synth possible and be able to outprice your homemade bathtub drug? I feel like im missin somethin but maybe not. Also would prefer 'drugs' being made by folk with chemistry degrees.....a whole team of em preferably. Nope not for you makin meth in the garage. If we are going to do things let us do them professionally. God bless reagent tests.
 
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I don't necessarily regret getting into drugs, any of them really. I do regret allowing them to control my life, as there have been many times I've forgotten the real priorities in my life, like stability, love, family, community, etc. and became someone that was driven by a base escapist instinct.

I have made improvements with time and have started managing my emotions better, but damn I've learned every lesson the hard way. There are some definite "do's and dont's" in regards to my drug use now, which are necessary if I plan on maintaining.

Honestly maintaining isn't even the word, regrowth would be more suitable. I'm pretty much starting from scratch, I let mistakes I made while using drugs heavily wreak major instability in my life which is taking me years to recover from.
 
Yup, I regret taking diet pill uppers...made me nuts (started cutting myself and seeing things while away at collage ages ago) and my mental health has been so much worse off even 10 years later...everything that's been prescribed me by my doc has helped through the years, diet pill uppers however, I wish I never laid hands on...
 
I don't think I would have performed as well as an undergrad without drugs. I double majored in History and English and to have the fortitude to generate paper after paper was without doubt enhanced by my drug use as it was the drugs that helped me to focus. Similarly the barrage of reading assigned also required focus. However drugs also sparked my creativity. How else could I formulate an argument that asserted that The English Romantic Poets all died early deaths because of their powers of peeception? Drugs!
 
BOODIE said:
Is there any particular drug that you wish you never started?
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Benzos and opiates, weed.
BOODIE said:
If you could quit drugs all together with ease and no comedown and withdrawrel and be tt clean, would you?
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That would encourage more use to me.
BOODIE said:
Also..what is your main reoccurring drug?
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Oxy

As far as wishes go, I just wish someone would of told me my drug seeking/drug obsession behavior at such a young age wasn't normal AT ALL and it was the markings of addiction... and then really educated me about why this isn't just 'casual use you can stop at any time' because for me, it was addiction I was exhibiting and quite frankly wish I got serious help.

I started exhibiting signs of very serious mental illness (OCD) at 10 years old and I feel like maybe if there had been some therapy in there instead of waiting for it to snowball perhaps it could of gone better in the proper care.

When I found relief in drugs from everything internal, I want to say that's all it took hook line and sinker but no, I think that in combination with repeated traumatization that just continued, coupled with the snowballing mental illness and the fact I found drugs so young and took such a liking to them- it became a recipe for disaster aka pretty nasty drug problem.

I want to say I knew I could stop at any moment but that thought didn't occur to me because I genuinely didn't believe I was any sort of addict at. It's not until it's far too late that you realize it.

Once I touched a single drug it was too late for me to be honest. Hard to explain, but if you know you know. I wish I hadn't stuck around a crowd that encouraged nonstop partying and increased dosages and harder drugs. I don't know what I was looking for or why I was even doing it. But once I started I can promise you this, there would of been no stopping me no matter how hard you tried. That's the sad fact. I was obstinate and going to go my own way regardless of what anyone told me so. I thought I even needed it at times, justified it. My entire life circulated around making room for it so to speak.

So yeah, if I hadn't touched it to begin with it probably would of been better, just hard to imagine a world where I didn't have an interest. I was nine first time I tried drugs.
 
Trenbro said:
I don't think I would have performed as well as an undergrad without drugs. I double majored in History and English and to have the fortitude to generate paper after paper was without doubt enhanced by my drug use as it was the drugs that helped me to focus. Similarly the barrage of reading assigned also required focus. However drugs also sparked my creativity. How else could I formulate an argument that asserted that The English Romantic Poets all died early deaths because of their powers of peeception? Drugs!
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This is an area I've always been curious about. I know caffeine definitely helped me get last minute papers/studying done mornings before they were due because I have horrible ADHD (and often, would prioritize getting stoned or drunk with my friends even knowing I'd have to do this last minute in the morning). So I'd need it even more while hungover...

I only tried stimulants a year after I graduated. I defnitely would have done better. My last semester in college I was getting stoned so often that I BARELY graduated. My major GPA was still a 3.1 but I failed a class because I straight up FORGOT TO DO THE FINAL PAPER. I had aced every other paper in that class. I wish I was joking. I was 1 credit short to get my degree, but we were able to figure something out, I don't remember exactly how. I wanted summa cum laude that semester in the beginning and it definitely didn't turn out that way. It was still an enjoyable last semester otherwise.

Especially the part where I drew a gigantic penis in the middle of campus in the snow with my foot prints. The thing was actually beautiful. I can post a picture if anyone was curious lmao.. (I was tanked, 23, it happens) but otherwise I was a part of the radio club and just absolutely marveled at the opportunity to be a talk show host despite having bad social anxiety. For some reason, I was just so natural and at ease with it.
 
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I am one of the lucky ones that managed to stay off the real hard stuff, I tried cocaine when I was young hated it and just got me in trouble, made me even more angry than I already was, that why I love E so much. I dabbled with gear for a few months but didn’t IV, I think not mainlining saved me. I really loved gear BUT all the time I took it I was still getting pleasure from it. But if I was to say one drug I had a problem with it would be hash, (don’t laugh) I got to the point I stopped smoking normal cigs and just smoke j’s, I miss skinning up, but it really fuck up my chest and made me a bit paranoid so popped another E and I was fine.

BUT!! Do I regret taking drugs NEVER! I look back at them as old friend’s ,

I am to old to get back involved with brown, white, E, or hash, never taken these new gen synthetic’s but did acid and a couple of g’s of speed. so that leaves me my pharma now, I love bento’s but can see me addicted to them, so I just touch them every so often
But this list could go on and on, poppers, glue
 
imo_incolae said:
Our relationships with drugs is an ancient one and it is complex. It can be explained way more deeply than the superficial surface noise that we live with today. And that is unfortunately where most people start in relating to drugs.

We have lost our connection to the communal ritualistic practice of consumption that our ancestors incorporated into their lives. Now we just consume for the sake of it and we consume to get away from society and not bring ourselves closer to it. We feel an inherent disconnect from ourselves, others and the world around us and drugs today help to manage it. There are not the safeguards there once were and so we are just left at their mercy of our vices.

I started my journey with drugs to escape.
Nonetheless, it was a journey. And I feel you cannot avoid recognising this just because there are parts of that journey you are not happy about. I started because I had serious issues as a child growing up and experienced serious trauma. I don't regret any of it. It is a part, and path, of becoming. You are born, you climb, you fall, you climb, you fall and then you die. Life is a rollercoaster but we have an inherent desire to only focus on the parts that paint us in a certain light than acknowledge the darkness and the shadows. Both are who you are and both are equally important. You cannot have the darkness within you without the light. In order to understand there is darkness you are at the same time understanding its opposite nature. I had some difficult periods and I pushed myself further and further into escapism when I actually needed to my head to be in the right place and focused on facing the truth.

Having said that, drugs are and always will be an important part of my life. While they brought me to my knees they also illuminated parts of me I would have never seen nor ever thought to look for. While they almost helped to break me they also allowed me to see that I can also be rebuilt too. As they say, you have to have been at the bottom to know what its like down there to want to rise up. In order to succeed you have to know what its like to fail. Some of my worst moments have been some of my most insightful. I guess it just depends on how you see things. Without drugs and the journeys they sent me on (internally and otherwise) I'm not sure I would have figured half the shit out I needed to.

Whatever happens you can never truly lose your way. There is no defined way in the first place. Even when you are lost, there you are. Because you know you are here, you are not actually lost. You are just at the point in your life where you have veered off, but you are not lost.

I don't regret any of my drug use. It all served a purpose at particular periods of my life and it all connects together to paint a picture of my life.
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Thanks. This sews up so much of it into the thread/hologram that we're all living through.

imo_incolae said:
Now we just consume for the sake of it and we consume to get away from society and not bring ourselves closer to it. We feel an inherent disconnect from ourselves, others and the world around us and drugs today help to manage it. There are not the safeguards there once were and so we are just left at their mercy of our vices.
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I found this especially insightful. ☯️
 
smokeymcpot42088 said:
We are on the same page. I don't wan't home chemists either, but if you could buy the drug at lets saw wallymart......whatever would you be compelled to synth for? If I understood you right. Im guessing walmart would find the cheapest synth possible and be able to outprice your homemade bathtub drug? I feel like im missin somethin but maybe not. Also would prefer 'drugs' being made by folk with chemistry degrees.....a whole team of em preferably. Nope not for you makin meth in the garage. If we are going to do things let us do them professionally. God bless reagent tests.
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Correct, I most certainly want my "stuff" (basically all controlled/scheduled substances/chemicals & analogues)
to be synthesized by a man/woman with a PhD in Medicinal Research Chemistry (at the very least).​

I probably should add here without giving away too many identifiers, you know, the kind that could bite your ass later, that while by the legal definition and technical wording of a certain licensing board, my friend typing this just will not be able to refer to himself as either a Medicinal Chemist or Research Pharmacologist. Rather or not those titles were ever in play is something my friend asked that we all just move on from. If however you feel strongly that I've stereotyped certain professions or have actually told something simply not true, then my friend ask that you feel more than free to go back and either research what's being said in a broader sense, or actually go bring it up with your current medical "professional". My friend recommends for the closest to honesty or truth you'd like to get from them, time has shown they are more open to discussion after hours, not while they're running an EKG on another patient. This is simply my friends experience and it has served him well.
At this point I want to bring up, who knows what, how do they know this, why does public perseption think otherwise?
Finally, no matter what it may seem, absolutely no research, clinical trials, studies, new medications or surgical techniques. are honestly be developed, or researched for you, and to make the world a better place. Before you bark at me, I adknowledge, yea, there are medical personal who truly care about the wellbeing of others. That being said, it takes money, so much fucking money to even get a research project off the ground, that lets say even in roughly ten years they have proven the treatment effeective, now they need to get that money back, not only that money, as much money as they can possible take, in the end, from you, the patients. Why, because in this shit for care health industry of ours, the company that's already developed a new drug, will basically do "WHATEVER BECOMES NECESSARY" to ensure FDA APPROVAL for as many indications as possible for the new medication.
I need to drive home a point here. There are more than just one reason a medication is considered addictive. It may be because of the euphoria induced, sexual stimulation. disinhibition, need to compulsivly redose, etc. But there is one SINGLE OVER ARCHING FACT ABOUT ALL CONTROLLED MEDICATIONS: THEY DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY THEYLL DO, EACH AND EVERY TIME. TRANSLATION: FOR MOST OF THE POPULATION, >75-80%, if a person takes an amphetamine, their energy will increase, focus will sharpen, etc. Moving on, Concerning Opiate Based Pain Medications: Again, >80-85% that take the medication will have a marked reduction in pain, a calming sense for most, even some euphoria. Again Benzodiazepines: >70-75% of patients receiving diazepam (used in hospitals mainly for prep-op), nearly 3/4's felt reduction in anxiety, muscle relaxation, some sedation, and some a slight euphoria.
The reason these numbers: *Medication rate of effectiveness (%) in population prescribed* Compared to medications in other classes, the other medications, such as SSRI's, SNRI's, DNRI's, tricyclic-antidepressants, typical & atypical antipsychotics, 1st or 2nd Generation antihistamines, muscles relaxers-Robaxin, Flexeril, etc,-have yet to meet anyone that says those med relax any damn thing. Later in this post, I will get to the "Percentage level of effectiveness" the fda will okay as acceptable and you all can tell my friend whether they seem acceptable or basically useless, and that more-likely-than-not, the placebo effect is coming into play for anyone taking a medicine longer than say a day, and hasn't noticed shit, much less the usual bullshit the doctor will tell you, "You need to give it about 4-6 weeks" then well see where your at...Now my friend and all you reader know how we can boots serotonin, dopamine levels quite easily and effectively. (No not always Amphetamines, but correctly used they'll do it to, in about an hour
Let's say, for example, we know things least more effective than Celexa's and Lexapro's 26-30% "improvement in symptoms starting around week four".......i Promise you all will enjoy the rest of this unnecessarily long ass, yet informative post reply.
If this turns out not to be so true, I highly recommend the hundreds of thousands of other post waiting for your time.

I'll be back to finish this post tomorrow evening. ​
 
BOODIE said:
Is there any particular drug that you wish you never started?

If you could quit drugs all together with ease and no comedown and withdrawrel and be tt clean, would you?

Also..what is your main reoccurring drug?
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Alcohol is the one mistake I made. At the age I started drinking, 20 year's old I should have known. To bad internet wasn't as wide spread as today. It could have given me some knowledge about the hook it puts on you and the devastating on the body it has.

No stopping for me atm, as I suffer insomnia which only benzo's and Ganja cure. But I do plan to get of Benzodiazepinen.
 
Only when I have taken the lot lol and wish I had more.

In life generally I avoid regrets, see lessons instead.
 
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