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Do we really have souls?

What the hell are you talking about? Honestly this post has no relevance what so ever.

There's no condescension here(by all means..please point it out)....and what's this about surgery? How did this pop into the discussion?

You seem to believe consciousness stops just because the physical body goes into 'sleep mode'.... Well I'm telling you, you're WRONG.

Way to take what I said out of context... Nice... I like your style.... How did you ever manage to get 'Hell and Punishment' out of ... You will pay for ignorance?

Please teach me these mental gymnastics.

Now I "assume all non-believers are sad, lost individuals" ....How are you doing this.... Putting speech into my posts?(putting words in my mouth)

I more amazed and in somewhat disbelief of all this context being added to my posts.

"Hell"

"Punishment"

ok, wow. you can't even seem to understand what you, yourself, are saying. just give up this foolishness. no one here cares for your delusions.
 
If Godandlove would have posted on a religious forum, people might have believed in his argument of dreams being a reflection of your soul but on bluelight, the brother's trouble is that many people have used drugs, and many drugs are known to alter dreams. For example, tossing on a nicotine patch when you wake up at night will make the dreams more vivid and realistic when you fall back asleep. It will also change the entire register of what you dream by stimulating another part of the brain.

If dreams are a reflection of your soul, and your soul is not material, how come a material drug such as nicotine can alter it? Also, on nicotine side effects it is mentioned that users have abnormal dreams. Does nicotine change your soul?
 
If you can't control your heart directly is because nature never meant for you to control it, like a car manufacturer never meant for you to control the fuel volume injected by the fuel injector, all that you can control are things like steering wheel, AC etc. because controlling the fuel injector is very very dangerous, same goes with the heart. Maybe there were organisms on Earth that could control their heart beat and they died long ago lol.

Defining the soul scientifically requires to believe in Brian Greene's String Theory and have an understanding of an infinite multiverse. We are all a complex combination of particles that keeps changing every second, but our consciousness stays the same because of memory and other things. The way the particles maintain the same consciousness is by changing configuration very slowly, so we are under the impression that we are one and the same, but if you think about yourself when you were 7 y.o., today you have almost nothing in common with that person, but from one day to another, you are almost identical.

Of course, if you change configuration brutally, like death, consciousness is lost, so I guess the configuration of a human being under which we are now is unable to maintain our consciousness forever because the slow change cannot sustain itself for long, when death occurs, there is a sudden change. Soul implies an extra dimensionality, that you can somehow communicate in between dimensions and transfer your consciousness onto something else.

Like Brian Greene stated, there are surely copies of yourself in other universes who may have a different profession or who even winded up to lead the same life as you. It's the power of infinity, it strips us of our uniqueness.
 
Maybe this is happening because you are posting vague bullshit, if you contextualized your own posts we wouldn't have to make assumptions. These payments you speak of, the one due to the piper and the one incurred by ignorance, what are they? When you said you were going to let us "wallow in our ignorance" what were you implying? That we are suffering because of our ignorance, or simply that you think you are superior to us? Or is it some other, probably nonsensical, explanation?

If you don't want to be treated like an unhinged lunatic spouting nonsense don't act like an unhinged lunatic and spout complete nonsense. Explain what you're trying to say, take the superirity complex down a notch, and don't do eccentric crap like make every sentence its own fucking paragraph. If you refuse to to those things then you simply can not expect to be treated like anything other than a belligerent nut.
"Oh my gosh.... unhinged lunatic.... Are you implying that I'm a terrorist? You're saying that I'm a terrorist? Wheres your proof to back this up? You know it's against the law to make such false accusations..... You can actually go to jail for calling someone a terrorist."


See what I did there? I put words in your mouth You said lunatic and... but all I read was you calling me a terrorist..... I think I'm beginning to learn how you people operate.
 
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"Oh my gosh.... unhinged lunatic.... Are you implying that I'm a terrorist? You're saying that I'm a terrorist? Wheres your proof to back this up? You know it's against the law to make such false accusations..... You can actually go to jail for calling someone a terrorist."


See what I did there? I put words in your mouth You said lunatic and... but all I read was you calling me a terrorist..... I think I'm beginning to learn how you people operate.

Now what I meant by... You will pay the piper... Well, you will pay in the same way that someone who drinks and drives an automobile and hurts someone... You have... an energy body... Right now it's not under your control... Hence you being an unconscious dreamer.... Now when you go Lucid... You regain control over this energy body.... and a lot of the times...while you were in your unconscious state ...you may have made a lot of enemies... or you may have even hurt a few people... you will either get payed back with guilt... or who knows...an eternity of being unconscious... hence 'walk the land of the dead blind deaf and dumb'.

When I google this verse I get:

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=cr&ei...walk+the+land+of+the+dead+blind+deaf+and+dumb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense_verse

LOL

P.S. He just edited that out hahaha!
 
"Oh my gosh.... unhinged lunatic.... Are you implying that I'm a terrorist? You're saying that I'm a terrorist? Wheres your proof to back this up? You know it's against the law to make such false accusations..... You can actually go to jail for calling someone a terrorist."


See what I did there? I put words in your mouth You said lunatic and... but all I read was you calling me a terrorist..... I think I'm beginning to learn how you people operate.

Now what I meant by... You will pay the piper... Well, you will pay in the same way that someone who drinks and drives an automobile and hurts someone... You have... an energy body... Right now it's not under your control... Hence you being an unconscious dreamer.... Now when you go Lucid... You regain control over this energy body.... and a lot of the times...while you were in your unconscious state ...you may have made a lot of enemies... or you may have even hurt a few people... you will either get payed back with guilt... or who knows...an eternity of being unconscious... hence 'walk the land of the dead blind deaf and dumb'.
I see what you did there, you made an awful analogy that shows you have no clue how I operate or the significance of context clues... or the ability to take responsibility for the fact that we assumed only because you refused to provide any remotely specific information.

How is my energy body not under my control? Are you suggesting I might hurt people because I can't consciously control my heart rate? Are you suggesting my dreams are real and I might be mean or violent towards other people while I'm dreaming because I'm not able to lucid dream?
 
I see what you did there, you made an awful analogy that shows you have no clue how I operate or the significance of context clues... or the ability to take responsibility for the fact that we assumed only because you refused to provide any remotely specific information.

How is my energy body not under my control? Are you suggesting I might hurt people because I can't consciously control my heart rate? Are you suggesting my dreams are real and I might be mean or violent towards other people while I'm dreaming because I'm not able to lucid dream?

What he's saying is, if in your unconscious dream you tear the clothes off a woman and you rape her, you're actually doing this for real in another dimension, hurting that person...a real person...and you will pay for your sin, as going to Hell or retribution in blood or whatever false teachings he's preached so far.

He says that the only way to prevent that from happening is to learn to dream consciously, where you can be righteous, and do righteous deeds in your dreams, so that you don't hurt these people which he thinks are real.

So, his theory qualifies as mental illness. It's treatable with dopamine antagonists aka. anti-psychotics. He is basically delirious, in a rave, doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course he needs to seek professional help as none of us can lay a diagnosis without consultation.
 
I see what you did there, you made an awful analogy that shows you have no clue how I operate or the significance of context clues... or the ability to take responsibility for the fact that we assumed only because you refused to provide any remotely specific information.

How is my energy body not under my control? Are you suggesting I might hurt people because I can't consciously control my heart rate? Are you suggesting my dreams are real and I might be mean or violent towards other people while I'm dreaming because I'm not able to lucid dream?

I thought that analogy was spot on... With the whole you accusing me of saying that and I quote... "non believers are sad, lost individuals" ... I never said such thing... I said 'you will pay the piper'. Also you replied to post.. in which I replied to in which someone was accusing me of threatening other members with "HELL and punishment"

So please explain to me how my analogy for how you take my posts out of context was inaccurate?... It's dead on.


As for your other questions.... I assume your an unconscious dreamer... I advise you to go Lucid... Master the ability... Then we may be on the same level.

Until then I guess you can continue to be a sleeper.
 
What he's saying is, if in your unconscious dream you tear the clothes off a woman and you rape her, you're actually doing this for real in another dimension, hurting that person, and you will pay for your sin, as going to Hell or retribution in blood or whatever false teachings he's preached so far.

He says that the only way to prevent that from happening is to learn to dream consciously, where you can be righteous, and do righteous deeds in your dreams, so that you don't hurt these people which he thinks are real.
He hasn't really gone into Hell or retrobution in blood, and he apparently didn't want people reading into his words so I figured I'd just ask him again and again to clearly explain what he is saying... but, for some reason, he isn't willing to be very forthcoming.

I thought that analogy was spot on... With the whole you accusing me of saying that and I quote... "non believers are sad, lost individuals" ... I never said such thing... I said 'you will pay the piper'. Also you replied to post.. in which I replied to in which someone was accusing me of threatening other members with "HELL and punishment"

So please explain to me how my analogy for how you take my posts out of context was inaccurate?... It's dead on.


As for your other questions.... I assume your an unconscious dreamer... I advise you to go Lucid... Master the ability... Then we may be on the same level.

Until then I guess you can continue to be a sleeper.
The difference between our assumptions and your example is that our assumptions a) were triggered by the fact that you refused to provide your own context, forcing us to guess and b) the fact that we used context clues like your username and the Christianesque nature of your ramblings to form our guesses. I, on the other hand, provided context for my statements, leaving no need for you to make assumptions. Even if I hadn't provided context there were no context clues that would give you any reason to assume I meant terrorist when I said unhinged lunatic. If anything you should have assumed I was claiming you were psychotic. But this is petty and off topic, so I won't adress it again... now onto the real discussion:

Just say you believe dreams are a real place. Say you believe that when we are asleep at night we enter another plane of existence. If you were truly confident in your beliefs you would have no reason to hide behind vagueness and gimmicky shit like using Lucid with a capital L.
 
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I thought that analogy was spot on... With the whole you accusing me of saying that and I quote... "non believers are sad, lost individuals" ... I never said such thing... I said 'you will pay the piper'. Also you replied to post.. in which I replied to in which someone was accusing me of threatening other members with "HELL and punishment"

So please explain to me how my analogy for how you take my posts out of context was inaccurate?... It's dead on.


As for your other questions.... I assume your an unconscious dreamer... I advise you to go Lucid... Master the ability... Then we may be on the same level.

Until then I guess you can continue to be a sleeper.

What is?

Oh boy... I wonder if that's how Sir Newton was treated when he told people about gravity....

"Just put him on anti-psychotics" LOL

God you're such a tool.

Newton gave definitions, concept of which you are a stranger to.
 
Oh boy... I wonder if that's how Sir Newton was treated when he told people about gravity....

"Just put him on anti-psychotics" LOL

God you're such a tool.
I can't know how he was treated when he told people about gravity, but I can tell you for damn sure that he do a half assed job of explaining his discovery and get petulant and defensive whenever someone didn't believe him.
 
comparing yourself to newton should ring alarm bells. it's is not a healthy sign.

i'm jesus, by the way.
 
i am a sleeper.
people build rail tracks onto me.
if it wasn't for me, train travel would be more dangeous.

do you really think that by repeatedly calling others "sleeper" you are either motivating or insulting them? the term is meaningless to everyone else, so you might as well be calling us "winkles" or "fazzberries" and it would be just as effective.
 
why do you even bother? i'm just killing time at work as i wait for my lunch in 15 mins.

you want to continue to look beligerent and deluded, go right ahead. it doesn't affect me. nor do your attempts to troll.
 
why do you even bother? i'm just killing time at work as i wait for my lunch in 15 mins.

you want to continue to look beligerent and deluded, go right ahead. it doesn't affect me. nor do your attempts to troll.


the funny thing is is that we both think there is such a thing as a soul, but you are using rubbish to make that claim.
Yet here you are contradicting your own belief systems... You said it yourself... That you believe we have souls.... so when I give you an explanation of the soul you call it rubbish and you refer to the scientific method...

The Irony is.... In the scientific community ..... The entire concept of soul...is considered to be rubbish! LOL
 
My username is what made you think I was implying "Hell and punishment" when I said.... 'You will pay for ignorance'?

Wow... You got 'Hell and punishment' out of God and Love?

The reason why I play coy with the subject at hand....because the information is very sensitive... Not many can swallow it.

But you seem to know all about "lucid dreams"... So why are you questioning me in the first place? I don't like using these terms anyway... Because human sciences don't do these concepts justice.

Just take a look around you my friend!.... Look at this world....The top most viewed video on Youtube is... a special needs South Korean man.

You don't think there's something funny about the way this world works? In general?

Let me tell you something... The people who run this planet... Are ADEPTS... This knowledge is TOP SECRET... It's been kept TOP SECRET FOR A LONG TIME!

But continue sleeping... Continue watching your televisions... and your sportrs events...

This ability to consciously control your dreams.. Meh it's nothing... don't even bother with it... Here look at this shiny object.... Ooooooo.
I am aware of the idea of lucid dreaming, the idea that one can train themselves to recognize they are in a dream and more consciously experience it. The reason you don't like that term is because it calls it what it is, a dream. Whether you expereince your dreams blissfully unaware or you train yourself to experience them lucidly they are still just dreams. If you believe dreams are more than just thoughts inside our head then say so, if you think there is something enlightening about lucid dreaming that allows you to better live your waking life just say so, if it's something else then just say that... But quit pussyfooting around it with cop outs about how the information is sensitive and most people can't swallow it.

I think the way this world works is Absurd, and that most people develop some form of belief system as a means of eluding this Absurdity. The person being distracted by a shiny object here is you, the person that made that shiny object is also you, and the reason you are unwilling to even contemplate the fact that it is nothing more than a shiny object is that you do not want to live a life devoid of meaning in a world also devoid of meaning.

Now, what is the significance of lucid dreaming? Does it help you be a better person when you wake up? Are dreams and waking life no different? Do you just enjoy steering your dreams around?
 
Now, what is the significance of lucid dreaming? Does it help you be a better person when you wake up?

Lucid dreaming is...becoming God. When you plunge into the dream, you create a construct, like a forest or a town. You also create people, with personalities who interact with each-other. Whatever construct you create in a dream, you are God there because if you die in reality, the whole dream vanishes. You are the cherisher, the sustainer, just the way God is defined. The only difference is, your subconscious makes you weak. It makes you like other people or less, even-though nothing about that dream could exist without you.

Eventually if you can be in control in a dream, you quickly realize it's all about you. Then you can do whatever your imagination comes up with, cast fireballs, detonate nukes...while the other people, they are at your mercy. You can even project them as being fearful of you and worshiping you. You picture them begging you not to end the dream, and let them live. If someone bothers you in there, you can make him disappear.

Not sure he's taking it this far but some people believe that the universes are the mind of God and that galaxies are like neurons in our brains, we are constructs of God's imagination, and when God dies, everything we know does. It's just wild imagination. I do have to admit that I have quite some fun with that sometimes. In a particular dream, I am in the same place, it looks like some hills in the middle of a forest with houses all around, and I'm literally invincible there with a pair of nunchuks. In other dreams I get shot in the face with weapons so that section of the brain I don't control 100%.

If he's meditating during bedtime to achieve such things it's not a bad thing but he's surely being a fruit punch about it to everyone else. There is no price to pay.
 
i see there is no value in this g&l nonsense at all. despite constant encrouagement, you have refused to add any specificity or substance.

consciousness is eternal. sure thing, buddy. an eternity which takes time to master. derp on. you are completely and utterly alone in this lunacy. anecdotal evidence is weak even when lots of people feel like they've had the same thing. when you are the only one... get help.

stop wasting our time. no one here cares what you have to say. not one single person.

i'm bored now and am going back to sleep.
 
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