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Do men really believe that women are their equal?

K12 said:
Chickenscratch was fishing for a lame attempt to flame, and you must be reallly stoned or just plain dumb. This is a quote of what you typed -- think about it -- "I REALLY REALLY HOPE YOU'RE UNDER, SAY, 18?" Wha!? Are you asking me to help you ask me how old you may think I am??? Do you even have the aptitude to understand my question? I really hope you go back to school.
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this to the one person in this thread who took you seriously enough to give you a thorough, kind and reasoned response.

not a lot of emotional strength if someone asking your age is all it takes to flip your bitch switch.
 
well, physically i may be able to dominate about every woman i come across, but go for a job interview or something, they arent looking for fat lonely men, put it that way
 
alasdairm said:
^ exactlyequality isn't about women being as strong* or as smart or as whatever as men. there are physiological differences between them which mean, by definition, we're different.

gender equality concerns itself with societal rights. for example, do you believe that women should be paid the same amount for doing the same job as a man? do you believe that women should have the same opportunities as men? that's what women being equal means.

alasdair

* i'm interested in how one measures the emotional strength of (all) men and women in such a way that one can make a statement like "No way do women have the emotional strength of a man, not even close"?
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Yes and Yes to your ?'s

Women are brought up and have adapted very well to understanding emotion. IMO their emotional guards are lowered because of traditional child rearing, and IMO this is why they generally have a reduced threshold for emotional turmoil when compared to men. Just my $.02
 
"Equality" doesn't mean that men and women are the same, that's just preposterous. Of course men and women are going to be very different from each other. The fact that we are "equals" just means that people of both genders are just human beings who deserve the same respect that everyone should receive.
 
Ive met plenty of women who are probably alot stronger then me emotionally and im pretty fucking tough by any standards. Ive also met women who although are not stronger then me physically they can certainly hold their own with a guy because they know where to hit them :)

So yeah the OP is probably some insucure teenager who has no luck with women and is just slagging them off. Probably needs a good lay thats all.
 
K12 said:
Women are brought up and have adapted very well to understanding emotion. IMO their emotional guards are lowered because of traditional child rearing, and IMO this is why they generally have a reduced threshold for emotional turmoil when compared to men. Just my $.02
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how do you even begin to measure something as qualitative as emotional strength across an entire gender?

alasdair
 
The older I get, the less differences I chalk up to biology, and the more I chalk up to culture.

There are probably some biological differences, but I don't think they are differences that can be rated "better" or "worse". Just different.
 
But if not this is my opinion. Women and men differ only because of the norms forced upon us by society. Such as when an adolescent girl is given a doll to play with instead of legos or a chemistry. This reinforces the attitude that women are supposed to be the caregivers and men the brains and bread winenr at an early age. This goes on and on as people enter school and the workforce. However this in no way is a complete explanation of the differences in occupation and family structure seen with in society. discriminatory hiring practices, glass ceilings and occupational concentration are to blamed also but may stem from what I've said.

As for emotion, the studies that I've seen have shown that women are more emotionally receptive in terms of knowing what another person is feeling and being able to acknowlege them properly. But it seems to me that K12 is talking about the inability of women to cope with stress and what not. Which ofcourse is complete gibberish. There is no proof to support this theory.

Of course to be fair there are differences between women and men with respect to emotions and social behavior. However they are nearly insignificant and could possibly be attributed to social causes.

Basically women and men share many, many similarities across the board. Much more than the differences that people like to point out.

BTW I'm a dude :)

P.S. Do your self a favor K12, take a couple sociology classes before making statements based on what you see in your everyday life.
 
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K12 I don't where your bridge is but I hope if I ever pass it you are out scaring the goats.
It's funny as I see men as the more emotional weak and intolerant in general.
Women are not only brought up but our brains are wired different to cope with situations a lot better and no not just taking about a relationship break down either.
Maybe your mum could sit you down and discuss these things with you, or maybe thats the whole point of you venting no mother to help you.
 
cocacrazy said:
Women and men differ only because of the norms forced upon us by society. Such as when an adolescent girl is given a doll to play with instead of legos or a chemistry. This reinforces the attitude that women are supposed to be the caregivers and men the brains and bread winenr at an early age.
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while there's a lot of room for social influence in gender roles, their relative consistency in societies thousands of miles (and years) apart indicates that biology plays a big part. one great example is the role of maternal oxytocin in the mother-child relationship.

i stand by my belief that neither gender is superior, and that we've evolved strengths to complement each other, but i bristle at the suggestion that society is solely responsible.
 
But if not this is my opinion. Women and men differ only because of the norms forced upon us by society. Such as when an adolescent girl is given a doll to play with instead of legos or a chemistry. This reinforces the attitude that women are supposed to be the caregivers and men the brains and bread winenr at an early age. This goes on and on as people enter school and the workforce. However this in no way is a complete explanation of the differences in occupation and family structure seen with in society. discriminatory hiring practices, glass ceilings and occupational concentration are to blamed also but may stem from what I've said.

As for emotion, the studies that I've seen have shown that women are more emotionally receptive in terms of knowing what another person is feeling and being able to acknowlege them properly. But it seems to me that K12 is talking about the inability of women to cope with stress and what not. Which ofcourse is complete gibberish. There is no proof to support this theory.

Of course to be fair there are differences between women and men with respect to emotions and social behavior. However they are nearly insignificant and could possibly be attributed to social causes.

Basically women and men share many, many similarities across the board. Much more than the differences that people like to point out.

BTW I'm a dude :)

P.S. Do your self a favor K12, take a couple sociology classes before making statements based on what you see in your everyday life.
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You have to understand, I'm not offended by you. It truly takes a long time to unbrainwash yourself and see the truth. This is not a joke. This is very serious. I do not think there is anything funny about mass-brainwashing of the public to promote equality.

However, on a more humorous side,

You say "But it seems to me that K12 is talking about the inability of women to cope with stress and what not. Which ofcourse is complete gibberish. There is no proof to support this theory"

Uh, get off Mars and Venus and come to the real world bro, just for a few seconds. Not some idealistic fanatasy that is imposed on you. That's where I'm coming from. Biology is not something I made up. It is actually a real science. Ok, proof. Uh, what could I possibly come up with to support somthing that is complete gibberish? This is gonna be hard... um... um... Wait! Wait! I think I got it! You really don't think, for example, women PMS'ing have a reduced threshold for emotional turmoil when compared to men? Uh, um, ok. I see your point, lol. About a week out of the month women are going through this biological dilema. Tread cautiously, for those that don't know. So, once again, K12 would argue the obvious -- As a general rule, women have a lower threshold for emotional turmoil than men. -
 
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K12, you sound like an emotionally stable cornerstone that any woman would be truly privileged to build her family upon. I envy the lucky lady that will have you in her life when you grow up. Your attitude is not at all idiotic, and the opinion you state here is not at all ridiculous. Thank you for helping to shed the scales from our eyes, and realise the truth about women. Your work here is done. There must be other corners of the internet that haven't yet been enlightened, go seek them.
 
^ lol
K12 said:
It truly takes a long time to unbrainwash yourself and see the truth. This is not a joke. This is very serious. I do not think there is anything funny about mass-brainwashing of the public to promote equality.
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your posts are muddled and are all over the place. i thought we has successfully decoupled the idea of men and women being equal with gender equality. you agreed with me on the concept of equal opportunity in post #46, yet here you are talking about societal mass-brainwashing.

you are trolling i think...

alasdair
 
double ewe said:
while there's a lot of room for social influence in gender roles, their relative consistency in societies thousands of miles (and years) apart indicates that biology plays a big part. one great example is the role of maternal oxytocin in the mother-child relationship.

i stand by my belief that neither gender is superior, and that we've evolved strengths to complement each other, but i bristle at the suggestion that society is solely responsible.
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Completely agree. How people behave is not solely derived from social influences or biological ones. It is a combination. However for k12 to state that the majority of women are less stable emotionally than the majority of men is dumb.

You really don't think, for example, women PMS'ing have a reduced threshold for emotional turmoil when compared to men? Uh, um, ok. I see your point, lol. About a week out of the month women are going through this biological dilema.
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Really PMS causes unstable emotional I'd like to see the study that showed that. When you give me that from a reliable source like a ASA approved study, I'll say your correct about that.
 
OP: I am anything but brainwashed i formed my ideas about all this and everything else through living and that is that. I could care less about social norms and i ignore them for the most part. But through experience i believe men and women are equal especially in terms of emotional strength. In fact a number of woman have probably saved my life over the years due to making me see that death by self destruction was not the way to go at all.
 
Look, I want men and women to both become equally androgynous as much as the next guy, and given enough time, we will get there. It just takes time folks. Then these issues will all be laid to rest. I can't wait for the day.
 
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