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Saturday 17th February 2007.

13.20~ board coach down 75cl of Cinzano

13.30 down 6grams GHB and 10 mgs of diazepam

13.45 (due to G madness) decide to have a line or five of cocaine

17.00 last cocaine (still have 0.6 gram left )

22.00 beer 3 pints (spitfire , nice)

23.45 moclobemide 300mgs (MAOi )

00.20 DMT oral in capsule

00.40 Standing in worlds biggest ever queue to get into raindance feeling groovy and arguing economic theory with person who believes they are correct pffft!:\

0055 feeling of massive weirdness

01.05 awake on ground , confusion , how did I get here ?

01.15 by now I am being told I am fucked up , I refuse to believe it

01.25 Ambulance arrives , it's beginning to sink in that somehow something has gone wrong.

01.30 Insist on climbimg onto stretcher myself , I succeed.

01.40 Oxygen mask, weird blacknesses, coming and going.

01.55 Arrive hospital Guys and St Thomas (or other way round)

02.00 Observation , hooked up to monitor , grim faces all around.

Until

03.00 regular readings and grimmer faces , I have to be told to try to keep breathing. Scary !!!!

During this time it becomes clear that I am in very dodgy territory, I 'Fight' to stay with it .

03.10 moved to resuss ward as they decide I am about to be needing recsucitated.

Whoa getting really iffy blackouts galore feel myself slipping into a place I don't wish to go to yet.

04.15 Feeling a bit better , doctor looks at monitors asks "you got chest pain "? "No" I say !

Examination with stethoscope, puzzled look ?

"Sure you've no chest pain"? "None" I say.

By now I'm quite jovial taking the piss in a friendly way of course.

04.45 wife allowed back in(Thank God for her phoning ambulance for me) or you wouldn't have the pleasure 8( of reading this!

04.45 doctor says that my heart seems fine (they had said it was damaged)

05.00 DMT winding down , as it does I seem to grow stronger quite rapidly.

05.30 Allowed to walk to the toilet, no problem.Have a good long piss!:)

06.00 After much hassle blood is extracted from my veinless arm .

06.15 full cardiovascular check . CNS check , renal , check , the works , no symptoms at all !!!!

06.30 They say "you must have one more test to determine if your heart is damaged by checking for enzyme" This wil take place at 10.30 !

06.55 try to sleep , get some .

10.30 Blood taken in about 2 seconds by skillled nurse!

waiting until 12.40 for results

12.40 Result through , negative , much relief . Lets go to the pub!

12.41 I ask "so exactly what happened to me in medical terms "? Doctor looks at notes and says "we have no idea"but we obviously think you took too many drugs ! So all that information could not yield a medical label to fit it !! Strange one!

12.55 In pub with fine fellows from varying parts of UK all EAdders (mostly )
Few beers and a sandwich , then train home !!!



Ok first off sorry to those who were freaked out by what happened , I am only glad it was me it happened to me and no one else THANK GOD!!!! two of us had taken exactly the same concoction at the same times. The only difference was my wife was sick a la` purge , I was not, I never am .

The accepted conclusion is that by ignoring the contraindications I had precipitated hypertensive crisis! But the hospitals data didn't say that ? It just puzzled them !

It seems peculiar to me that it came on with the DMT and went with DMT , surely a MAOi interaction with say cocaine cuts would have persisted the length of action of the MAOi ?
an allergic reaction , toxic shock ? I don't know and no one else really does either !

One thing we can say with certainty is that I am a complete hypocrite regards Harm reduction and applying it to myself!

The other thing we can say is that I was wrong to be so blase` about HR and contraindications (whether they were responsible or not isn't relevant)

And once again sorry to all who were worried had their night spoiled etcetera!

I shan't be trying this again , not because I think it would go wrong but it seems to have left a deeply imprinted memory on me , which is why I have taken so long to write this up, my perceptions were changing daily about the scenario, and I did not wish to write about it until I felt fairly non emotive !

Smoked DMT is another thing altogether though !:)
Take care follow the rules, don't believe you are immortal (I thought I was I found this out in a very strange and unpleasant way)

DMT - the teacher , well this was one very intense lesson, very unexpected type of delivery but effective nonetheless!

Love & Light !



Zophen !
 
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glad you're OK.

Don't do it again.

You just don't mix diazepam, ghb, coke, alcohol and DMT together.
 
daaamnnnnn, sounds like a crazy night! congrats for the fact your still breathin!
thats all the doctors told you though, "too many drugs?"

i dont know much about MAOI's but I do know it interacts with like every single pharm and drug there is, so fuck that mess.
 
I would have expected you to keel over during the double dose of G with an antianxiolytic and 5 lines of coke with liquor and beer high... huh. I mean you had 6 hrs 45min between your last line and taking the MAOi--that doesn't necessarily mean anything but still, it does suggest those drugs should've been pretty well metabolized at that point right?. Could the dopamine rush that ensues hours after GHB ingestion have had something to do with it? Other than blackouts, what did they say was going on with you physiologically, especially considering there were no signs of your having suffered a hypertensive crisis? The coming and going with DMT is strange. It is not uncommon to feel tired with heavy limbs during oral DMT sessions, that would account for your feeling of regaining strength with the lifting of the trip (but not much else).
 
You crazy bastard Z, glad to hear you're ok though, least you made it to another birthday!!
 
I'm still leaning towards the whole mixture of drugs resulting in your baroreceptors (bits of the brain that monitor blood pressure) undershooting/overshooting in response to varying bp.

Coming to terms with your own mortality (like in a very practical way) under the influence of DMT is a really overwhelming experience I'll bet. Don't expect that you've dealt with it completely as something like that had chance to pop up in your thoughts for years to come when you don't expect it (I had 'flashbacks' about losing my hand for nearly 10 years afterwards. It was only after that long that I could examine my memories without a flood of attending emotions being released as well)

As I said in person,"Don't do that again, good friends are bloody hard to come by"
 
As I said in person,"Don't do that again, good friends are bloody hard to come by"
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Ditto! That was truly frightening, but the most important thing is that you've learnt from it and that you're ok now. :)
 
Thank god the Z man is still with us! :)

Oral DMT can be very physical, I've taken it on it's own, totally relaxed and calm in my front room and at the peak of aerobic fitness and during the comeup I've felt "Fuck me, I'm going to have a heart attack if this keeps up". Usually if I just lay still for 20-30 minutes I get through that stage and everything settles down. I think it can definately send blood pressure through the roof.
 
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zophen said:
10.30 Blood taken in about 2 seconds by skillled nurse!
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A first!?

Glad you're ok mate! Wonder what would have happened without the moclobemide ? Can't even begin to imagine the thought process during the entire event... !!??!!
 
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Thank god the Z man is still with us! :)

Oral DMT can be very physical, I've taken it on it's own, totally relaxed and calm in my front room and at the peak of aerobic fitness and during the comeup I've felt "Fuck me, I'm going to have a heart attack if this keeps up". Usually if I just lay still for 20-30 minutes I get through that stage and everything settles down. I think it can definately send blood pressure through the roof.
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Mine fell through the floor though the opposite! basically little if any heartbeat at times ! I get you on heavy come up with blood pressure increase that I could cope with .
 
One thing Z, how long was it before she who must be obeyed was sick after taking the DMT? I'm usually sick 40-50 minutes after dropping the DMT but it never makes any difference to the trip - the DMT already seems to have been absorbed by then. Did she notice any DMT effects?
 
20 minutes maybe 25 , I was feeling it by then, her experience was different to mine she was fine but freaked (like poor Pekkie ,Tribal girl and Kara) I was not fine but not tripping hard at all. Psychedelically I wasn't challenged, her neither, that wasn't the plan going to a rave, the plan was to get that "dancing feeling" and I think it would have been the ideal level , I was happy as fuck when I wasn't sort of dying . That takes the edge off the trip a little .
 
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Mine fell through the floor though the opposite! basically little if any heartbeat at times ! I get you on heavy come up with blood pressure increase that I could cope with .
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That's that theory out the window then! :)

Has oral DMT always gone ok in the past then? No nasty physical effects with an maoi and DMT on it's own?
 
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