Dissolving powdered benzos and analogues in to propylene glycol

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Anyone have any experience with this?

The end plan is to make a very concentrate solution and then dilute it with vegetable glycerin to use in a dripper vape. Will also be adding a flavouring of some sort which I know how to do and probably a certain proportion of booze like rum or congac for flavour also.

Anyone who can chip in with advice or experience please add your 2p. Mods if you want to move to a section you feel is more appropriate that's cool.


One love people.

 

[Shambles]

IME the difficulty varies between one benzo and the next. Some dissolve readily in PG whilst others are an absolute bitch and require extensive shaking and/or heating and are likely to fall out of solution if made up in bulk and left for any length of time. No idea about the vaping aspect but sounds like a less than ideal idea to me, to be honest. I can't imagine whatever gunk may or may not result as a consquence of vaping would be wisely consumed given there is precious little info on many of the actual ingredients and metabolites of several of these RC benzo and benzo-alikes let alone what may be transmuted when enough heat is added to vapourise.

Is there any reason not to just use the solution orally? Or is it simply novelty value? I'm all for novelty value but this just seems like a trainwreck waiting to happen to be honest given how iffy powdered benzos in any form are (as we mostly all know from experience... many, many times over).

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Novelty value! It's not going to be a regular thing I'm just a bit of an experimenter and I'm not so keen on filling myself full of an a-z of drugs anymore so novel ways of consuming them is the one! I can imagine it being really nice if you got the concentration right, it's not going to give you a rush but it's going to be basically instant onset. Like a fag that actually really does calm you down! I can't imagine the physical effects of doing this are anything worse than the way I have treated my lungs for the rest of my life and like I say it won't be a regular thing.

I'm also in the process of working out a cannabis liquid. I'm thinking a gram of qwiso hash dissolved in to a ml of rum, dissolved in to a ml of PG, dissolved in to 3ml of VG. Should be fucking ace:D

 

[da man]

whats VG? let me know how you get on please. Id love to try it with hash.but not sure if it would be as simple in practice as it seems in theory. Tho im not very creative and only ever smoked it.

 

[Don Luigi]

VG is vegetable glycerine. If you've ever tried using the e-cigarettes, PG and VG would be familiar sights on the bottles of oil. PG is propylene glycol. Most oils are PG but some people, myself included, have a bad reaction to the stuff so use VG.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Basically the difference between the two for vaping is that VG produces much more and much denser vapour, whilst PG has more of a throat hit and carries flavour better. I've just got a new vape and it's a sub ohm device that can produce a massive amount of vapour so liquids that are high in VG are the order of the day so you can produce fat clouds of creamy vape without caning your throat. The new liquids I've bought are a mix of 80/20, 60/40 and 50/50 in their VG/PG ratio. Looking to get some 100% VG liquids but you need to use a dripper for them really and have a mod that will fire at a really low impedance (like sub 0.2 ohms) and whilst mine will fire low down to 0.2 ohms it becomes less effective below 0.5 ohms. The good quality 'regular' vaping liquids I was using in my old device were 80/20 but in favour of PG.

 

[Shambles]

Novelty value! It's not going to be a regular thing I'm just a bit of an experimenter...

Hehe. Man after my own heart then

My own experience with making up solutions of powdered benzos for oral use suggest it may well be rather tricky to get enough concentration to make this very effective. I recall being surprised at how difficult it was to make even relatively slack solutions of 1-2mg/ml. I guess it depends on how leisurely you want your smoke to be - along with how potent the specific benzo used is and how readily it forms a solution. I'd be reasonably sure this is gonna be a case of experimentation all the way and expect a number of (at least somewhat) abortive attempts and possibly wasted product. Given how cheap powdered benzos are I'd mostly just suggest to please be very cautious with such things as - as stated - powdered benzos are a frieght train looking to find somebody or something to wreck themselves upon for the most part.

Best of British and to please be careful, sirrah

 

[headfuck123]

recently made a solution of 2.5mg pyrazolam - 1ml PG (so 1 tiny 10ml bottle contains 50 0.5mg doses) took a day or so to dissolve but it seems to be completely dissolved now and works brilliantly. All be it extremely moreish after adding a few menthol cherry flavoured drops. Like a benzo breath freshener, roughly 6 drops is equal to 0.5mg of pyraz. With a low tolerance 4 drops will kill my hangovers or help take the edge of extremely stressful situations or bad trips without turning me into a zombie.

I wouldnt suggust trying to vape the solution though because who knows what these chemicals change into when vaporised and oral works extremely well. I did recently buy some valerian infused e-juice and i must admit it did really calm me down when i started a new job and was suffering from benzo withdrawls. Currently brewing my own valerian tincture with a mixture of PG/VG/water/50g valerian root which will come in handy when I want to stay away from benzos but still need some relief, might try vaping it too as the premixed version did seem to be mildly relaxing so hopefully my more potent tincture will work even better.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Hmm yeah it's going to have to be an RC benzo really unless I can either get some alprazolam powder or be bothered to isolate some from pills because as you say concentration is going to be an issue. I'm thinking flubromazepam which is something I've not tried but have heard positive reports and has an appealing half-life if it is what I think it is.

There are stronger things available on a mg for mg basis but I reckon with good technique you can get an awful lot more than a couple of mg in to a ml of finally e-liquid. You need to dissolve in to a solvent before VG or PG with cannabis oil to get a good concentration and stable solution so I'm working on the idea I might be able to achieve the same with this. I know benzos can be difficult to get in to alcohol but I reckon working in quantity and with a bit of heat I should be able to get quite a lot in to each ml of rum. Will probably have to go overproof on the rum, and if that doesn't do it then IPA but I would rather the rum for flavour.

I reckon I would need at least 40mg in 10ml to make a strength that was worth it, preferably 50mg. With this new vape I can smoke up a ml of liquid pretty quick if I cane it so that would deliver a nice mild dose. Have to start actually checking whatever data is available on the adsorbtion rates of flubromazepam but info is pretty thin on the ground.


....and I will play safe!

 

[Allein]

After my experience with Phenazepam I'll never be in possession of powdered Benzos again, I can't be trusted with more than a handful of Diaz these days. I note powdered Xanax making an appearance but I'm not tempted despite quite liking a few now and again.

The OP sounds like they are approaching this with some common sense, but all to often there have been reports here of people loosing weeks to powder and eyeballed doses. I was comfortable with weighing out MDPV in the 5-20mg range but benzos are another matter, once it goes wrong your likely to end up redosing and blacking out for days.....or maybe it's just me that's a fekin idiot with the stuff

 

[Shambles]

You should try trying to make powdered benzo solutions then dose them suitably whilst on an MDPV run, Allein. Is quite the unforgettable experience

Oddly enough it's only ever diaz powder I've never had the slightest issue with. Comparatively mild and you have to go waaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard to really get into trouble if you have any experience and/or tolerance with benzos whatsoever. The mg-dosed brigade are a whole different beast though...

 

[Allein]

Its no secret I got into an unholy mess with Diaz more than once, triple figure daily intake for months at a time, the last taper wasnt something I care to repeat and that was aftre I'd stopped adding a bottle of scotch to the mix...stupid stupid stupid.

Never had a problem with MDPV, I tended to prepare doses in little squares of foil so I had some idea of how much I was taking. I always thought I was just fine 3 days in but I'm pretty sure I was mad as a badger, vaping from a lightbulb in the toilets at work is not the actions of a stable mind

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I am in the same boat as you regarding benzos, I was smashing at least 200mg diazepam daily (as well as a gram of smack, 8 cans of brew and whatever crack I could afford) at the beginning of last year and it's not the first time I've had a habit that size. I can't have big quantities around me so I would just make it all in to e-liquid (maybe using different techniques or with different flavourings or different) straight away so I can't throw great big poodles legs down my throat.

It took me a year to taper off that last habit and only finished at christmas so I am being extremely careful with benzos. I've had a couple of blues rationed out by a mate when needing to get to sleep and I'm going to need a couple for after my surgery but that's it. This is more of a long term plan and I'm in no rush because benzo consumption is to be as close to nil as possible and realistically probably as good as nil in the near future.

I never fucked with that phenazepam shit. I think I might have been clean at the time it was knocking around or on a script and sticking to it because I needed to piss clean or something but one look at the half-life and I was like fuck that, it's clearly asking for trouble.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

This is when the trouble starts...

Luckily those days are behind me.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

...for the moment knock on wood
*hits head

 

[Allein]

I was getting them by the 1000 from PK when the going was good and taking them like smarties, then I started drinking heavily ontop...it wasnt a great time.

I don't keep count but I think I tapered 3 times, once when I quite drinking. I was reaching the last few weeks of my taper plan when I had a motorcycle accident, I told them what was going on and they let me have my own stash in hospital, even reminded me to take it.

I do still dabble but rarely and never many at a time, last week I got 8 ativas 10s to try and help some muscle tension but even after all this time they don't kick like they did. Xanax is about the only one I find recreational but if I do them to many days in a row it triggers a few days of anxiety that just isnt worth it.

I doubt I'll ever fall back to daily use, I felt so trapped and dependent on them and tapering, whilst effective is a torturous way to come off drugs.

Phenazepam powder was just a train wreck waiting to happen, in retrospect vendors should never have sold it in that form. I was house bound at the time due to general wonkyness so didnt get into real trouble but I have no recollection of at least 7 days and was admitted to a place with locks on the doors only a week or so later

 

[Shambles]

... MDPV, I tended to prepare doses in little squares of foil...

Yeah, me too... only by the gramme

I am in the same boat as you regarding benzos, I was smashing at least 200mg diazepam daily (as well as a gram of smack, 8 cans of brew and whatever crack I could afford) at the beginning of last year and it's not the first time I've had a habit that size.

As a minor aside, I was recently informed that there are 1000 calories in a can of Special Brew. You need to be on the auld smack 'n' crack diet or be a chronic alcoholic wasting away through associated diseases to maintain even the top end of a svelte figure on that shit.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

You were informed incorrectly, there are about 350. That's still 2800 if you're drinking eight cans a day though. Tbf I needed to get the calories from somewhere because it wasn't like I was eating with the amount of crack I was smoking.

 

[Shambles]

I did think 1000 seemed a tad excessive no matter how sickly sweet and loaded with alochol the shit is to be honest.

I used to get all my calories from Haagen Dazs and Ben & Jerry's of which I'd swipe half a litre of each day from the garage up the road and was more or less my entire diet other than powdered and/or rocked up chemicals for quite some considerable time.

Oh, that and the many bottles of sherry and/or white cider per day 8)

 

[Allein]

As a minor aside, I was recently informed that there are 1000 calories in a can of Special Brew. You need to be on the auld smack 'n' crack diet or be a chronic alcoholic wasting away through associated diseases to maintain even the top end of a svelte figure on that shit.

I can clearly recall thinking I was doing well when buying 8 cans of special brew and only drinking 6 and a few whiskeys, I hit 16 stone when drinking like that but I was clearly to pissed to notice.

Drink has been by far the worst habit I've ever had, the way I used it I cant think of a single positive, it must be 3 years since I've had a drink now but I don't keep dates. I rarely want one anymore, I suspect the fact that it was only a couple of years of heavy drinking that helped me kick it into touch, it's still a little awkward on occasion when people try and get you to have a drink, my father in law is always doing it despite me telling him over and over I don't drink anymore, Xmas is a nightmare.