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Dissolving powdered benzos and analogues in to propylene glycol

Allein said:
I was getting them by the 1000
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Likewise, when MSJs first came on the UK market a few years ago and were really good I was selling them and getting them in tubs of 1000 that usually contained more than 1100 and I would get a couple at a time for considerably less than the price you would pay for a set of second hand technics 1210s on ebay these days. They came in tubs saying garlic tablets on them.

The quality of MSJs went downhill wildly and although the ones my guy sold at much the same price as before were still pretty good, I moved to buying the boxed uk brands only(activas in either activas or almus boxes, tevas and wockhardt). I'm not going to get in to the discussion now because there's no real way to decide it conclusively but having been on a diazepam script and consumed loads of activas and teva from various different pharmacies I'm absolutely convinced the ones I'm buying on the black market are genuine supply that has been diverted.

I also used to have a penchant for blagging docs, this was one score from a random out of hours doc iirc:
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A bad habit and one that almost got me arrested earlier that day. Old behaviours now though.
 
^^ Booze is certainly (to my mind at least) the most insidious and ultimately destructive one of the lot, Allein. At least with most of the other major offenders you have some real knowledge and insight into how badly it is fucking you over and it does so so efficiently you ultimately tend to weigh up the pros and cons and make your decision. Nicotine is the very worst for this but ethanol comes a close second: letting you know this is not doing you any good at all - is downright detrimental in almost every way in fact - but is rarely or never quite that bad day to day that it makes you wake up and take action. Gimme a smack habit any day of the week. At least you are never in any doubt of how shitty your life has become and what you must do to change it - moreover, the consequences of not changing it are so in yer face and extreme that it ultimately becomes almost a purely black and white issue. With stuff like booze and fags you can drift aimlessly for years knowing the shit will kill you but with it not kicking you in the balls hard enough for you to give much of a toss about it :\
 
I only speak for myself, I know numerous people who drink in moderation without any problems, I'm not good at moderation.

I've turned down benzos from my doc more than once, I try and avoid obtaining recreational drugs from unreliable sources. I'm pretty honest with my GP, he knows I've had problems with benzos, booze , coke yada yada. He's never really batted an eyelid about it and I believe his support in prescribing me morphine for the best part of 3 years was helped by my honesty and my ongoing conversations about dependency and an exit plan.

I know some havent found doctors helpful, when that's happened to me I've gone to another doctor, there are some truly awful ones out there.

I recall the original tiny MSJs, quite unevenly dosed and TBH the first one kicked my arse, went to shot soon after though
 
Yeah to begin with they were really unevenly dosed, like you would get 30mg in one and 3mg in the next, but overall they averaged out really good for the price. I would say they averaged out at 10mg easy. Then I heard of loads of proper shite ones coming on the market. Literally chalk pills apparently but I never saw them in real life, the last time I bought a tub was two years ago and they weren't as good as when they first appeared but they still did the trick proper, got sent hoome from work for being unsafe to work in a kitchenn environment after a few too many the night before=D

+1 on booze being the worst and most destructive addiction. I've only been through one really bad period of heavy drinking but honestly for me the catalyst for all my problems (other than me of course) is benzos. My decision making just totally goes out the window.
 
I stopped getting the MSJs for the dosage reason, I was trying to get to grips with dosage at the time and they were no use for that. In the end a got a shit load of half decent 10mg tablets, can't recall the brand (maybe DAZ) so I could taper with them.

I got offered Librium to stop drinking but when I explained how much Diaz I was taking and showed them my taper plan they agreed to just supervise a bit, I couldnt get CBT unless I stopped drinking which was some motivation if a little fekin stupid
 
When I went to the drug services the last time round and told them I was using 200mg a day and wanted to get on a script and taper they basically laughed in my face. Had to get down to 40mg myself and they scripted me from there.
 
I didnt even bother trying to get an NHS taper, I knew that would be the response and I could have dropped that hard, the Ashton Manual helped a great deal but I taperred faster than those schedules.

The service I saw about my drinking pretty much could believe I was taking that much Diaz, they seemed quite ignorant of the issue TBH but they guy was supportive at least. In general I donlt find they understand much unless you've got a heroin problem and then you need to fit their model of a dysfunctional criminal.

I while ago I was talking to a drugs worker about my amphetamine use, she questioned how much I was spending and then suggested I was depriving my kids, whilst not wanting to be crass my drug intake isnt limited by cash and given I dont drink or go to the football / play golf or any such shit I spent very little on myself. She just couldnt get her head around me holding down a decent job and having a drug problem, she kept trying to tell me I must be on the brink of disaster despite me coping with this for 20 years, I declined to see her again.
 
Correct response. Drug workers are pot luck, I've had some truly terrible ones but the guy I was with for most of my last stretch with the services was an absolute diamond. Really great empathetic guy, superb drug knowledge, willing to listen, ex-user himself and a fellowship man but didn't push any particular route to recovery at all, willing to basically go with letting me taper and ddetox as I wanted to, even asked me if I knew about bluelight to inform me I could get information and support there. He cracked a smile when I said I used to be a mod. Really great professional, was a shitter losing him.
 
packjamNL said:
My questions is I just mixed 1/4 gram of Bromonordiazepam, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36695345/ into 100 ml Propyleenglycol. Strangely, when you let your regular diazepam/clonazepam benzo's in the heat in the sun for a day or two, above 26 celcius (80 Fahrenheit) the strength is gone, you have less than aspirin. I needed to heat the substance to like 50 degrees celsius (122 Fahrenheit) to turn the brown powder into a clear solution. I thought if you leave Benzo's in the house in the sun above 80 Fahrenheit or 26 celsius itt's waste, gone, finito. So I had to put the little 100ml pot into a 60 degree celsius pan with hot water (140 Fahrenheit) for 30 minutes to make it clear, (btw Bromonordiazepam powder is a bit light brown) but now 1ml = 2.5mg Bromonordiazepam, so I panicked and thought didn't I mess it up? I will notice in a while because I took 2 ml. (5mg Bromonordiazepam) and it always worked with other powders like Norflurazepam, and came out like a benzo-bomb, thanks what are your thoughts?
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I just solved 1/4 gram, 250mg of Bromonordiazepam (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36695345/) into 100 ml Propyleenglycol. The 250mg powder was light brownish, I had to make it clear in the PG by heating it only to 50 Celcius (122 Fahrenheit) in a pot in a pan with the hottest water that comes out of the boiler. It was clear as water after 1 hour. Then I panicked because when you let your clonazepam/whateverpam in the sun in the window at home at 26 Celcius (80 Fahrenheit), it is a waste, as powerful as aspirin right? So how come when I heated it now, I got the funkiest benzo you can imagine (no I prefer a Rooffie over everything)
So I started to panic, but it worked the same way before with another pam (Norflurazepam), and that worked like a hammer in the morning. So how come the shit stays healthy now, after 50 Celciius in PG, but in the sun for two days it is waste?
 
Shit they sent me is totally worthless, but they gonna say yeah we don't know how to do it with PG, O NO? What else should I do with it snort it in one time? mFckers
 
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