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Benzos Diazepam Withdrawal
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MagickalKat777
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Crampz said:
Habit.
I'd get rid of it. You sound a lot like me with alcohol in that you can go periods of time without it but when its right in your face, eventually you'll drink some and next thing you know you're on a bender. That's disastrous when you're not withdrawing, let alone when you actually are in withdrawal.
MagickalKat777
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Damn man. Hang in there. How much did you end up drinking?
Don't stress about it too much. We all make mistakes.
Hell I started craving alcohol tonight out of the blue myself. If I had money and/or liquor and had the roommate out of the house, I would have drank today.
Hang in there.
If you have any left, you can do a slow and deliberate taper off of the alcohol over the next day and just slightly bump your Valium up for a day and you should be able to compensate.
The nice thing about alcohol is that you can do a really quick taper with it if you have the self control. You've come this far with little support so you definitely have the will.
Don't stress about it too much. We all make mistakes.
Hell I started craving alcohol tonight out of the blue myself. If I had money and/or liquor and had the roommate out of the house, I would have drank today.
Hang in there.
If you have any left, you can do a slow and deliberate taper off of the alcohol over the next day and just slightly bump your Valium up for a day and you should be able to compensate.
The nice thing about alcohol is that you can do a really quick taper with it if you have the self control. You've come this far with little support so you definitely have the will.
waay too much 
my self control with alcohol seems to be about nil> Also, I start on wellbutrin today for depression in addition to the mirtazapine ive been on. I wanted to try it to see if it would reduce the insane appetite that mirtazapine gives me. I might even just ditch the mirtazapine and try the wellbutrin by itself when I next speak to my doctor in about 2 weeks.
Im just a bit worried that it lowers your seizure threshold, is this going to be a huge problem while coming off benzos?
my self control with alcohol seems to be about nil> Also, I start on wellbutrin today for depression in addition to the mirtazapine ive been on. I wanted to try it to see if it would reduce the insane appetite that mirtazapine gives me. I might even just ditch the mirtazapine and try the wellbutrin by itself when I next speak to my doctor in about 2 weeks.Im just a bit worried that it lowers your seizure threshold, is this going to be a huge problem while coming off benzos?
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MagickalKat777
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Wellbutrin is totally contraindicated with anxiety disorders. It has a strong activating effect. I took it before and it was so speedy at 75mg that I lost 20 pounds and I felt tweaked the two weeks I was on it and I continued to lose weight for another week after I stopped it. I didn't like it at all.
Its generally not recommended to make changes to your meds when you're tapering. To be honest, a healthy appetite while tapering is actually a good thing because you need a lot of fuel when you are in recovery from benzos.
As for the seizure threshold, the low dose of Wellbutrin that they start you on when you're on another antidepressant (75mg) shouldn't have too much of an impact but I've heard of seizures with as low as 150mg a day without any other med changes so be careful.
Its generally not recommended to make changes to your meds when you're tapering. To be honest, a healthy appetite while tapering is actually a good thing because you need a lot of fuel when you are in recovery from benzos.
As for the seizure threshold, the low dose of Wellbutrin that they start you on when you're on another antidepressant (75mg) shouldn't have too much of an impact but I've heard of seizures with as low as 150mg a day without any other med changes so be careful.
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
I've been craving sugar since I started my taper so that may not be directly related to the mirtazapine. I've been eating mini donuts and candy chips pretty much daily whereas I never crave sugar on a regular basis. Its been helping to stave off my cravings for other things. Keep in mind that you're not just tapering but you are trying not to drink as well. Its natural to replace one thing with another and I would just leave it alone while you're tapering and then deal with it later. You don't want to make too many changes when you're tapering, you know?
^^ to be fair I think that is part of the problem, replacing one thing with another, but I was on mirtazapine before years ago and I craved sugar alot when I was on it that time too. Especially about an hour after I have taken it, I am absolutely ravenous! Luckily though Mirtazapine is one antidepressant that I get absolutely zero withdrawal from, so stopping it is not really a problem for me as such.
I am due to see my doctor in 2 weeks because I think he is a bit nervous about the wellbutrin, he has never prescribed it for depression before. I am kind of tempted to tell him I am tapering off the benzos but then again, this doctors surgery gave me completely rubbish advice about getting off them before so I don't want them to kind of force me off at their pace (i.e. when I was on 20mg they were like cut 5mg every week until you are off them).
I am not going to be as busy as planned with work commitments this december which is somewhat of a relief because I was really not looking forward to the idea of cutting whilst being that busy!I need a heaslthy addiction, if there is such a thing!
I am due to see my doctor in 2 weeks because I think he is a bit nervous about the wellbutrin, he has never prescribed it for depression before. I am kind of tempted to tell him I am tapering off the benzos but then again, this doctors surgery gave me completely rubbish advice about getting off them before so I don't want them to kind of force me off at their pace (i.e. when I was on 20mg they were like cut 5mg every week until you are off them).
I am not going to be as busy as planned with work commitments this december which is somewhat of a relief because I was really not looking forward to the idea of cutting whilst being that busy!I need a heaslthy addiction, if there is such a thing!
MagickalKat777
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I wouldn't tell the doctor anything about your taper. That's asking for trouble. Doctors don't like you doing things that they didn't tell you to.
Remeron doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals with me either but I wouldn't want to stop it while I was already withdrawing.
The Wellbutrin really is a bad idea. I would seriously advise against it.
I sure would like to know what your doctor prescribes Wellbutrin for if it isn't for depression or for treating antidepressant induced anorgasmia because that's what its used for.
That's good that you're going to have fewer work commitments though. That should definitely be helpful. If I had to do ANYTHING in my regular life, I would be screwed.
Remeron doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals with me either but I wouldn't want to stop it while I was already withdrawing.
The Wellbutrin really is a bad idea. I would seriously advise against it.
I sure would like to know what your doctor prescribes Wellbutrin for if it isn't for depression or for treating antidepressant induced anorgasmia because that's what its used for.
That's good that you're going to have fewer work commitments though. That should definitely be helpful. If I had to do ANYTHING in my regular life, I would be screwed.
^ it is just used as a stop smoking aid over here. We have weird ways of doing things here in the UK, for instance as far as I'm aware clonazepam is never prescribed as an anxiolytic, purely to treat certain seizure disorders.
I do understand what you are saying about the remeron, but really, with the amount of junk food that gets bought into this house by other people I'm not prepared for the insane sugar cravings shortly after taking the dose. I guess I will just try going anti-depressant free again.
How is your taper going? Luckily after my drinking slip up I was a tad nervous but I seem to have gotten away with it. I'm on 8.75mg, cutting to 7.5mg on Monday and then holding it there for 10 days.
I do understand what you are saying about the remeron, but really, with the amount of junk food that gets bought into this house by other people I'm not prepared for the insane sugar cravings shortly after taking the dose. I guess I will just try going anti-depressant free again.
How is your taper going? Luckily after my drinking slip up I was a tad nervous but I seem to have gotten away with it. I'm on 8.75mg, cutting to 7.5mg on Monday and then holding it there for 10 days.
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
Odd that they don't use it for depression. Its activating effect can be a godsend for people in depression as it kicks in within two weeks of beginning to take it.
Anti-depressants don't do much but add side effects. If you don't have withdrawals from Remeron, I suppose it would be fine to drop it. You might actually be better off without it now that you're down on your benzo dose. Besides some isolated incidents, I haven't had the extreme mood swings at all since I started my taper.
I'm holding at 8.75mg until at least Monday myself. I think I'm going to slow my cuts to 14 days now that I'm below 10mg.
Anti-depressants don't do much but add side effects. If you don't have withdrawals from Remeron, I suppose it would be fine to drop it. You might actually be better off without it now that you're down on your benzo dose. Besides some isolated incidents, I haven't had the extreme mood swings at all since I started my taper.
I'm holding at 8.75mg until at least Monday myself. I think I'm going to slow my cuts to 14 days now that I'm below 10mg.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Hiya
That's ace about your heart. Re: exercise, what was your nutrition like? Try to eat gokd stuff but leave it ahour before you exercise.
Or are you eating enough food or enough of the right stuff? Sorry if I sound like I'm lecturing or judging you - honestly I'm not. It's just that with exercise food intake really effects performance n your experience may have been avoided. Reason I'm going on about exercise is because a lot of family have said that exercise really helps with the symptoms of withdrawal.
Take care,
Evey xxx
It is odd. The box even says 'warning: may cause drowsiness' an usual warming for an amphetamine
The one thing I REALLY REALLY hate about doing this is the unpredictable nature, the last couple of days I have felt more or less fine but woke up today after hardly any sleep and its just like 'welcome back insomnia'
which really sucks because I become so lazy when I'm sleep deprived. Might try and drag my ass out for a nice long walk at some point today, just to get outside if anything *sigh*.
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
My diet isn't as bad as it used to be. Its actually pretty amazing that I'm in the kind of condition I am (low cholesterol, low triglycerides, normal blood pressure (although I'm sure its elevated right now), 70 resting (might be lower now that I stopped smoking), 6'1 and 175 pounds, etc) considering that for years my lifestyle consisted of copious amounts of alcohol, almost every drug I could get my hands on (stayed away from meth, coke, and opiates), fast food, cigarettes, and a sedentary lifestyle in front of the TV. The only thing my doctor ever had to say to me at my physicals was he wished I would stop smoking.
Now I eat a much better diet. My roommate is a great cook and cooks all of our meals so I'm eating much less junk food - mostly things like eggs, black forest bacon (the healthy no chemical stuff from Whole Foods), very little in the way of processed sugars (I have had a number of sugar cravings through the withdrawal process though but those I limit to a package of mini donuts or a few pieces of candy - about 30g of sugar), no trans-fat, very low gluten, high protein, no soy, etc.
I used to be extremely active when I was younger. If I didn't live downtown, I would probably be more active than I am. As it is I couldn't even have a bike here because we have to leave them outside of the apartment complex and people just steal whatever they can off of it (lock the wheel down, they steal the frame, lock the frame and the wheels, they steal the handle bars).
I guess I'm going to have to do some strength training to start out with. Maybe check Craigslist for an exercise bike or something.
Crampz said:It is odd. The box even says 'warning: may cause drowsiness' an usual warming for an amphetamine
A beta-ketone amphetamine no less. In my case it felt like what it is. A dirty cathinone. Right down to the increased sex drive that I get from them.
Tell me about it. My roommate has been getting after me about my grumpiness.
I think this next cut will be better. I'll be taking the other half of the pill I split the next day. It could very well be a case of me not using the quarter that has most of the diazepam in it.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Either way, I'm going to 14 day cuts now. I don't want to chance PAWS.
ha! funny you mention the sex drive, ive been fapping none stop! ive only taken them on two days but i def think they are making things worse. I agree the PAWS thing is kind of worrying, its like 'I just want to be off them' but the chance of being fucked up for months and months, not so appealing!
I'ts good you are eating well :D Exercise bike would be a good idea, might be a bit more expensive at the moment though, people will buy them for their new years resolution :D How about exercising in nature? thats always really uplifting, something about it :D.
I'ts good you are eating well :D Exercise bike would be a good idea, might be a bit more expensive at the moment though, people will buy them for their new years resolution :D How about exercising in nature? thats always really uplifting, something about it :D.
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
That's hilarious about the sex drive but I know exactly what you're talking about hahaha. Pretty much any BK amphetamine will have me caught with my hands down my pants most of the day or finding a way to make that happen. I used to go to the bathroom stall at work when I was on Wellbutrin because I would get so excited. It was almost embarrassing ... Had I ever gotten caught, it certainly would have been LMAO
Yep, that's my biggest reason for going so slowly is the PAWS possibility. Not appealing at all.
I would exercise in nature but I live in the heart of downtown. I call it my concrete and steel prison. I miss living in the western suburbs. I was close enough to the mountains that there was a lot of open space to explore and we never got tornadoes but far enough away that when it snowed, while we still got a lot more than downtown, we weren't snowed in for a week like we would be just a few miles up the highway.
The air isn't exactly clean in Denver either. I used to marvel at the dome that you could see over Denver from all the smog when I was up in the mountains watching the sunset. Now I live in that mess.
Yep, that's my biggest reason for going so slowly is the PAWS possibility. Not appealing at all.
I would exercise in nature but I live in the heart of downtown. I call it my concrete and steel prison. I miss living in the western suburbs. I was close enough to the mountains that there was a lot of open space to explore and we never got tornadoes but far enough away that when it snowed, while we still got a lot more than downtown, we weren't snowed in for a week like we would be just a few miles up the highway.
The air isn't exactly clean in Denver either. I used to marvel at the dome that you could see over Denver from all the smog when I was up in the mountains watching the sunset. Now I live in that mess.
^^ Did the wellbutrin ever make you feel like you were coming down from MDMA/Speed? Come the evening I feel a bit spaced out and like 'I don't know how I am', almost paranoid etc. Maybe this is just a benzo effect though? Its worrying which ever one it is.
Have you had a look on craigslist? Theres bound to be something suitable on there, gumtree is another option, theres always good stuff on gumtree!
Have you had a look on craigslist? Theres bound to be something suitable on there, gumtree is another option, theres always good stuff on gumtree!
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
When I was on Wellbutrin, I never felt like I was "coming down" at all. After a week of being on it, I felt like I was constantly on speed.
That's the activating effect apparently. It supposedly goes away but I started shedding weight too fast to stay on it any longer to find out.
I haven't looked yet. I don't have any money at the moment (human services is taking forever) so I won't be looking until that's sorted. No sense looking when chances are it won't be there when I come back with money.
That's the activating effect apparently. It supposedly goes away but I started shedding weight too fast to stay on it any longer to find out.
I haven't looked yet. I don't have any money at the moment (human services is taking forever) so I won't be looking until that's sorted. No sense looking when chances are it won't be there when I come back with money.
your way of wording things cracks me up :D
I took my last ever (hopefully) full 5mg pill of diazepam, I must say it is a weird feeling yet kind of a relief. It is weird my way of thinking about benzos has completely changed, I used to think '5mg? that is hardly anything' into '5mg, that seems way too much for me to be taking in one dose'. I guess that is a good thing!
I took my last ever (hopefully) full 5mg pill of diazepam, I must say it is a weird feeling yet kind of a relief. It is weird my way of thinking about benzos has completely changed, I used to think '5mg? that is hardly anything' into '5mg, that seems way too much for me to be taking in one dose'. I guess that is a good thing!