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(Desoxypipradrol/10 mgs) First experience: Which way is Poland?!

^^^ Hmmm... dunno, I never managed to get the 'feel' for it. My body doesn't really seem to tell me how much is 'enough' with the stuff, with very ugly results when "seat of pants" dosing is taking place.

^ For most people, I think using liquid measurement and extrapolating from the reports/advice in this thread, and the clinical information is a good start. So far desoxy (low dose) feels like a 24 hour cup of strong coffee, but if a person's neurochemistry is already shot from stimulant (ab)use, I think it could be a totally different ball game. I found reading and digesting the whole thread a few times quite helpful.

I can see how people could easily learn a hard lesson with this, especially when they are expecting the usual stimulant cues. Had I jumped in with 10mg I might be feeling like shit right now with another 24 hours to go. Being tired, but unable to sleep isn't the nicest feeling. Even though I've been up for almost 24 hours now, and I think I'll be awake for some time, the few hours of rest was quite helpful. I've got a gram of xanax, but I'd rather not get into the upper/downer cycle if I can help it.

One thing I REALLY like about desoxy, is that for me there is ZERO drive to redose. Euphoric recreational stims are on my verboten list simply because I've seen them fuck up too many lives and I've got a lot to lose but not much to gain. Twice per week max and I think desoxypipradol could be a fairly benign productivity enhancer, as long as the person isn't stuck in the 9-5 rat race and has flexibility in their sleep/week cycle.

Btw, does anyone know what happened to the wikipedia entry?
 
E1, glad to hear you had a nice initial experience. I have found that 5-10mg is a better level... 10mg and up provides a lot of euphoria usually. The thing about desoxy, that I've said before in this thread, is that, at least for me, it took a while for my body/brain to "figure out what to do with it", so to speak. The first few times I took it I sort of liked it but sort of found it annoying... I didn't get a lot of euphoria and I had just enough peripheral side effects to find it edgy and lingering. However, once I figured out how to utilize it, I found that it would reliably produce strong euphoria, but curiously that euphoria often took quite a while to fully develop, even upwards of 8 hours sometimes. it would just slowly transform from a light stimulant into a stronger euphoriant over the course of the day.
 
I've tried it again twice, once at 2mg and yesterday at 3mg.

2mg was hardly noticeable but it did help to keep my energy levels consistent through the day, a bit like "wow its 10pm and I just noticed I haven't been tired all day." I do notice, even at 2mg it gives me a light headache. At one point I did notice a libido increase, an average horniness that takes on a more primal urge...

Yesterday, I had to move, and the truck was coming at 11am (I didn't know till I got the call at 9am) and I hadn't been able to sleep so I took 3mg and I found within 20 minutes I was totally awake, doing quite a bit of physical activity and didn't go to sleep until 1am the next day. 1.5 mg of xanax had me out like a light and after 12 hours of sleep I felt great.

In a few days I'm going to try 5-6 milligrams to see if it helps me concentrate on my creative endeavors . I've got countless songs, that I feel are between 75-90% finished, but I really hate doing the last 10%, I always just get distracted and start something new. I'd love to just 'bug out' on desoxy for 24 hours and get a lot done.

The thought of redosing has never entered my mind and I don't notice any craving for the stuff so thats a definite positive, next time I might dilute it in distilled water instead as my vodka solution is rather nasty tasting.

*as to my previous question regarding the wiki entry, for some reason I was looking for desoxypipradol, not desoxypipradrol, duh.
 
just to add a counter-experience to the above, 2mg is plenty strong for me, makes me cocky and horny and I have shitty sleep even after 18 hours.
 
My experience with this pretty much matches that of others. Dose of 4mg is good.
 
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Little eye dilation. Little peripheral effects. Prosexual. Serotonergic psychedelic potentiation. Slowly developing clean euphoria. Clear mental focus. Confidence booster. Long duration (good/bad).
 
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No, but i'd reccommend using a >20% alcohol in water solution to inhibit bacterial growth.
I often use a cheap vodka for this, as it's 40% w/w alcohol. The alcohol aids in dissolving your drug, too.
 
Hello all, been Way Too Long, good to see a few familiar folks still about.

My rodent had a pretty thorough experience with 2-DPMP a week or two ago. All the pros and cons covered in this thread pretty much applied. My own thoughts here.

5mg made sleep out of the question for 24-36 hours. 10mg, 30-48 hours. Although there was no pleasure-seeking compulsion to redose, for "practical" reasons it seemed necessary to redose each time it tailed off, to avoid a mid-day crash. In hindsight, this was more of a subtle sort of short-term addiction. Result was seven days with zero sleep of any kind, and the associated psychosis.

I was quite pleased with the lack of sympathetic NS effects or cravings. And quite displeased with the extended duration.

The scariest thing about this one, for me, is how insidious it can be. Several other reports have described manic cleaning binges and the like, and my rat certainly had the same. In fact, had acute carpal tunnel and spinal compression symptoms for a few days, after two sleepless nights spent in a housecleaning, gadget fixing frenzy. Wrote some very, very long e-mails to friends and family, obsessively composed then revised then appended then revised over the course of days.

All of this without really realizing anything was wrong, or thinking ahead to the consequences. Introspection and rational planning definitely were inhibited. I don't mind losing one or the other of those faculties for a while, but both at once are very bad not to have.

The thing that prevents me from thinking of this as a possible work/study aid, besides the risk of insomnia, is the ADD/OCD aspect. Perfect description somewhere in this thread about it: starting one insanely ambitious project, going like a laser on it for a few minutes, then getting distracted by another such project, and another, and another, all night and all day. This aspect intensified as it was compounded by sleep-dep memory loss. If I take a stim, I want either 1) euphoria or 2) enhanced concentration, in addition to just staying awake. This has neither.

Oh, and my rat noticed a marked and unpleasant change in body odor also. Most appalling.

If I experiment with this again it will be via smoking or insufflation, to see if there is any euphoric potential there. Otherwise, I'm sticking to caffeine, modafinil or methylphenidate, thanks.

Cheers all!
 
My rats also noted the body odor issues... very curious. Sweating was increased dramatically and it smelled really bad, which no amount of deodorant could fix, ever.

My rats, however, were able to achieve significant euphoria after becoming accustomed to the drug's effects.
 
Harm Reduction

Good to hear ppl using desoxypipradrol sanely. Last august I made the mistake of putting 500mg in a little container on the desk & dosing my lab rats as desired. Biggest mistake of my life - which I'm lucky to still have around :(.

350mg and 5 days later, I entered the ninth circle.

Don't even fucking think about it.
 
Five days ago, on Friday I took a gargantuous amount of desoxypipradrol. So far everything was marvellous but today during the afternoon defects in cognition like signs of OCD emerged and more importantly concerns for my physical health appeared because very unpleasant flushes of blood to in my head regularly and frequently occur, my face always becomes intensely red, also it seems to me as if my temperature substantially elevates.

Generally my personality is distinctly rational, e.g., I know there are not objects like water sprites, the so called "God" etc. I know homeopathy is a stupid nonsense. I know Christianity is a stupid nonsense. I know any miracle never happened, like rising from the dead of some person with doubtful historicity called "Jesus Christ" never happened. I know this mythical person, given that existed, never cured anyone from epilepsy by exorcising "demons" out of him. He never walked on the watter etc. Similarly fertilization of a woman by some non-existent object called "Holly Spirit" never happened. I know there is no such object like a "human soul". I know there is no after-life. I know there are no angels, devils, ghosts, poltergeists etc. I know Christian ideology killed more innocent persons than those of fascism and communism together. I know "praying to the God" is a complete waste of time, it never had any observable or measurable effect and never will. I know psychoanalysis is a stupid nonsense. I know analytical psychology is a stupid nonsense. I know that the Bible is a stupid worthless book with thousands of mistakes, full of factual errors from the point of view of nearly all modern sciences, it is full of abominable inferior barbaric moral guides, in the whole Bible there is nothing of the slightest positive ethical value for the modern people. Telepathy doesn't exist. Synchronicity is a sign of a mental disorder-apophenia. The astrology is a complete nonsense. All the prophecies of Nostradamus etc. are nonsenses, dowsing is a nonsense, there is no record of a contact with aliens, mind reading doesn' exist, dreams don't predict the future. All healers outside of medical academia are hucksters. I know there at present there is not any logically consistent ethical objection to the research on human embryos produced by human cloning. I know the real reason of the bloodshed in Iraq is religion, protestants and catholics would wage wars again like they did in the past if they could. I know that half of American citizens are stupid idiots who think that the Earth is younger than 10000 years. I know American senators are stupid idiots who doubt Darwin's evolution-it is like publicly claim that the matter doesn't consists of atoms. I know there is no incarnation of the souls there are no former lives. Near death experiences explains modern neurophysiology. All the mystical and religious experiences can easily be induced by extracranial magnetic stimulation or chemicals. There are no out of body experiences. Transpersonal psychology is a stupid nonsense. Etc., etc.,etc. But This is something of what I found out after decades of intensive study and thinking but of course if anyone reached different conclusions concerning some of these issues, like that "holy waffer" is in fact the so called "Transsubstantiated Holly Body of our Saviour" and after ingestion biochemical processes will not occur and the "Holly Body of the Son of God" will not metabolise to a shit and the horribly stinkink scatol I of course respect it, etc. l

And despite all this on Friday I measured 75 mg of desoxypipradrol and swallowed it. Than I went to a party and only today I realized that I was drinking desoxy there simply from the bottle I have it dissolved in. Today I measured precisely what remained in the bottle, made a simple calculation and the fact is that during that one Friday evening I swallowed 207mg of desoxypipradrol from a respectable source producing only the purest substances.

So my question are: Does anyone know of at least a guess of desoxypipradrol's half-life? What should I take if I want to get rid of the flushes of blood-probably blood pressure elevations? What should I take if I want to get rid of the temperature elevations? Simply put, what should I do if I want to survive it? I still have some clonazepam, f&b wrote that benzos could help. What else? Something to diminish the blood pressure? Someone advised opioids. I have only tramadol, is that reasonable? What about methadone? Would they give me it anonymously in the centers where they give for free clear needles etc. to drug-addicts?

Thank you in advance for your kind effort and helpful ideas

Kindest Regards

coriolis
 
This has got to be one of the safest drugs ever, if you can take that massive an overdose, fuck.
Half life... hmm, maybe about 12-14 odd hours? That's just a guess though, based on how long the insomnia lasts from some dose levels - I expect the blood plasma level has to drop to a certain level before sleep is possible.
 
wow been up since friday.

I suppose you don't have any benzos otherwise you'd have taken them by now. They would help.

As a sidenote, that sentence of yours is quite the exemplar of a desoxy-linguistic structure. Deep sub-structures of paranthesis rapidly fading! Must keep pummeling on with viewpoint dependent statements!
 
if you feel physically threatened though, please do not hesitate to call 911. They will be able to knock you out with benzos.

I'm not sure if this is the best advice I can give you, but I thought of it and felt bad to not offer it (i'm sure its probably occurred to you). Somebody step in if this isn't a good advisement.
 
What else? Something to diminish the blood pressure? Someone advised opioids. I have only tramadol, is that reasonable?

I suppose its a bit late now but i wouldn't take tramadol if i were you, it has been known to lower the siezure threshold, drinking some alcohol could be a plan, its usually good to 'take the edge off'

Are you back to baseline yet?
 
Do NOT take tramadol... people have died combining tramadol with stimulants. Most famously the ODB died from tramadol and cocaine. Sure, desoxy is not cocaine, but it does not sound the least bit safe to me.
 
Thank you all very much for your kind help and advices. I have tons of Tramadol at home so it was a life-saving information not to take it. If the half-life of desoxypipradrol is only 12-14 hours I am quite optimistic. I had quite a large amount of Rivotril (clonazepam) and I am regularly taking it since Friday, but now I have only a few tablets remaining. Yesterday in the evening I took 200 mg of Seroquel and so far no blow of blood to my head occured until now. So perhaps I will get through it with the help of Seroquel. I could have 10000 tablets of benzodiazepines if I ordered them at any of the many sources but it would take at least a week. The true is that now today I feel better.
 
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