(Desoxypipradrol/10 mgs) First experience: Which way is Poland?!

[B9]

Or am I wrong?

Is it the drug though or just the natural mania coming out ?

 

[Refluxer]

Are you sure that isn't placebo? No offense intended, but suddenly a re-surge type effect a full eight hours into it? Sounds unlikely, but I guess anything is possible.

I didn't experience that att first too, but then I had tried larger dosages, and maybe the initial rush sets the bar. With 5 mg, the kick-in effect was more noticable.

 

[Xorkoth]

Are you sure that isn't placebo? No offense intended, but suddenly a re-surge type effect a full eight hours into it? Sounds unlikely, but I guess anything is possible.

It happened reliably every time after the first few. I mean, I was euphoric the whole time, but I would definitely enter the second stage around 8 hours in. it became more physically pleasurable (pulsing, somewhat sexual feelings in my limbs and abdomen), and I felt so good that I just wanted to talk up a storm. Practically babbling at some points.

 

[MDPVagrant]

Is it the drug though or just the natural mania coming out ?

I can only speak for myself -- it is 100% the drug. If I were any more relaxed and unmotivated, I'd be a corpse. I try not to sit down too often, cuz I might not get up again for 10 hours... LOL.

Stims have definitely been a problem for me, but they are currently one of my only sources of adventure and (fake, real, who cares) sense of energy and accomplishment in life. I am generally a f*cking carrot without 'em. It's not really my moods either, more likely a problem with chronic, lifelong dopamine deficit combined with some nasty early-life experiences. I mean I'm usually pretty cheery & feel good, but I'm totally content to sit there and do absolutely nothing useful (or even interesting) for long periods of time.

Dunno if it's congenitally low dopamine combined with a high tolerance, but lately when fed with stims my lab animals have been doing absurd doses (I mean really outrageous, unbelievable amounts) with no negatives other than the usual lack of food, sleep and binging type behavior. Granted, a few benzos are typically available. I've really been trying to cut back on their supply, cuz this is insane.

I generally won't talk doses any more, cuz I think some people pegged me as a liar after I mentioned clearing out a gram of MDPV over five days. But I personally know people who have done nearly twice that amount over two days (not that they managed to stay out of the psych ward, but oh well). I figure my main orangutan will probably clear 500mg of desoxypipradrol over the course of 10 to 12 days (not straight of course, but I mean averaging 40mg per 24 hours of use). If tolerance tends to skyrocket with regular use, you can recalculate and make that 6 to 9 days, i.e. 55 to 84mg/day.

P.S. either my orangutan's dopamine receptors are literally gone, or people who claim 2-DPMP lasts 24-48 hours don't have a clue what they're talking about. Try three to six, with residuals and sleeplessness lasting up to 12.

 

[Jamshyd]

MDPVagrant: To clarify, what I mean is that in the few months this drug has been out, I have seen more passionate (and not to mention, extremely wordy) praises for it than I have seen for meth in all of its years. It seems like this one is only trumped by coke, and people on coke act like maniacs all the time anyway

I do not think stmulants = mania is necessarily a rule. Being alert and happy is hardly manic (I have only seen mania develop on Amphetamine after chronic use of huge doses). But I will not attempt to define mania, I'm sure most people have an idea as to what it is.

 

[MDPVagrant]

MDPVagrant: To clarify, what I mean is that in the few months this drug has been out, I have seen more passionate (and not to mention, extremely wordy) praises for it than I have seen for meth in all of its years. It seems like this one is only trumped by coke, and people on coke act like maniacs all the time anyway

You want my current opinion? For a real stimulant LOVER, this stuff is second only to 99.8% crystal meth. At higher doses, there's little difference in the feel or effects. It is INTENSE. You should see what my lab monkeys do while on it...

Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but I warn readers: If you're even a little bit prone to anxiety, paranoia or panic, STAY AWAY. If you can do 72 hours straight smoking crystal and still be able to memorize three chapters of a textbook, you might be a candidate - LOL.

OR -- if you can do one small dose and then leave it alone for three or four days, you may also be a candidate. Some people apparently can.

MDPV has dropped down a large notch in my book, but if it does appear again as rumored then who knows...

I do not think stmulants = mania is necessarily a rule. Being alert and happy is hardly manic (I have only seen mania develop on Amphetamine after chronic use of huge doses). But I will not attempt to define mania, I'm sure most people have an idea as to what it is.

My worst tendency on stims is not mania, but OCD. I get extremely obsessive at times.

A typical stim run for my text subject: I'll start a project on my PC, like creating an enterprise wide autoinstall script for MS Office with every tiny detail defined (I'm a home user, LOL). Then forget all about it and start a project manually cleaning my registry by hand, every single key in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. Before I finish, I have to learn everything there is to know about Javascript, and also write a Visual Basic helper app that sits in the system tray & runs programs for me, plus answer a few PM's on Bluelight, with a diversion downloading and installing 3 or 4 system utilities and defragging all my partitions in between.

At this point I've got 20 MSIE windows, 50 folders, 30 copies of notepad, Visual Basic, Photoshop, regedit.exe, MS Word, Calc.exe, Eudora, Cute FTP, ThumbsPlus, Acrobat, five command prompts, MSConfig, Nero, Solitaire, Ad-Aware, Limewire and and Services.msc open (to name a few), and my system is running like a snail that just ate a cow for dinner...

... and crashes/burns/reboots. I lose half my work. Then I look up, and 40 hours have passed without food, sleep or any head movement whatsoever...

Edit -- then I have to re-install from a Ghosted partition the next day after getting some sleep, cuz I somehow managed to corrupt the hard drive and phuck up Windows XP altogether, and in the end accomplished precisely nothing... 8(

P.S. this time around I noticed 2-DPMP had some powerful pro-sexual effects. Finally... I was about to write it off as a monk's morning jump-start .

 

[Xorkoth]

P.S. either my orangutan's dopamine receptors are literally gone, or people who claim 2-DPMP lasts 24-48 hours don't have a clue what they're talking about. Try three to six, with residuals and sleeplessness lasting up to 12

When you use something as often as you are, its effects dramatically change and the duration especially lowers. For absolutely sure, no one who hasn't used it and/or a load of other stimulants would say that it lasts 3-6 hours with 12 hours of aftereffects. 8(

However, I do always cock my head in confusion when I hear people saying it lasts 48+ hours. For me, it lasts 20-24 hours, max.

 

[MDPVagrant]

It's not just one thing, I've made a mess with dopaminergic stimulants of all sorts. Hell, my brain is reacting abnormally to ALL stimulants. I can take 300mg of Wellbutrin in a single shot and feel almost nothing. Or 200-500mg caffeine and just mild wakefulness with nary a single jitter. It's really damn weird.

BTW, has anyone mentioned the most (potentially) risky aspect of this substance? It strikes me that if physical activity were severely curtailed, a person could easily challenge the Guinness book of World Records for longest stretch of time awake (provided they managed to avoid dopamine psychosis).

Seven, eight, nine days doesn't seem out of the question, and that strikes me as extremely dangerous. I've suffered sleep deprivation before (bad enough to hospitalize myself), and it's difficult to determine how drastically one's cognitive, emotional and motor skills have deteriorated. You can be mentally dead (can't add 2+2) and believe you're just fine. If someone tried to drive a car on a busy highway after nine days awake, a wreck would be virtually guaranteed. Hell, just slipping and falling in the shower becomes a major hazard. Crossing the street would be unsafe. A person could go try to buy groceries and still be staring at the cheese aisle four hours later, trying to focus enough to pick something out. The whole world becomes a damn minefield, and I wasn't awake anywhere near as long as that (although there was a chronic component that made things much worse).

Would anyone like to comment on this?

 

[pseudointellectual]

Kind of vicious--you think you're fine, but really, you're not. If you live alone or have few/no friends, who's gonna tell you that you're acting strange, to stop taking it, etc. That does sound pretty dangerous.

Luckily, I am one of those people who you mentioned before, small dose, leave it alone for as long as I see fit. So I don't really have to worry about the sleep deprivation aspect, as I wouldn't be able to do enough to stay up that long.

 

[illusion25]

ya I have ben hospitalized from stimulant sleep deprivation.

MDPVagrant- after 4 days of no sleep I can can barely differenciate between "real" things and hallucinations. Auditory and talking to people who arent there.

7 days or more!! shit i cant imagine the psychosis

 

[Refluxer]

P.S. either my orangutan's dopamine receptors are literally gone, or people who claim 2-DPMP lasts 24-48 hours don't have a clue what they're talking about. Try three to six, with residuals and sleeplessness lasting up to 12.

On higher doses that seems about right when it comes to the rush. I wouldn't call the next 12 hours residuals, but your mileage may vary. If the rush is the goal, I guess what comes after it are just residuals.

 

[MDPVagrant]

ya I have ben hospitalized from stimulant sleep deprivation.

MDPVagrant- after 4 days of no sleep I can can barely differenciate between "real" things and hallucinations. Auditory and talking to people who arent there.

7 days or more!! shit i cant imagine the psychosis

I'm almost immune to dopamine psychosis (maybe it's a genius for timing or something, i.e. how often, how long, what invervals). Not to mention being so naturally dopamine-deficient that ... well I won't get into that, because for me it's very disabling. A lot of the time I not only fail to "get a life," I am content about that and have no desire for one. So you see how it is... you are talking to a piece of broccoli here. I don't even eat much (regardless of stimulants) cuz food is mostly something to take away hunger pangs & refuel what amounts to a complex biological mechanism.

Anyway... Sleep dep doesn't really bring on psychosis, just suffering and badly compromised cognition & judgment/decision making skills. As well as a painful, weak body that feels like it could collapse at times and prove a monumental challenge to stand from a sitting position. Better to stay standing up. Mentally, you're prone to stuff like looking around the house for something, except you forgot what you were looking for but you just GOT to have it because you WANT this unknown object. Or you go into a room to get something, forget why you went in, then go back to the other room and forget why you came back. It doesn't seem to hit long-term memory very hard, but basically wipes out short term processing at some point. Typically it will come and go in terms of severity, so it's not quite as bad as it sounds.

I figure if sleep dep went on long enough, a person would lose their self care skills and be at risk from disease, neglect, falling down and getting a concussion, forgetting to eat... eventually it resembles moderate Alzheimer's, minus the long-term memory loss. But add on an exhausted and gradually sickening body, so you probably break even.

Not something anyone would ever seek out, except a few of us stim users who are both unlucky enough to react a certain way and have a boring/useless enough life anyway not to care too much )as long as it isn't a regular thing).

P.S. after being awake a long, long, long time, the brain can interpret sleep as a survival threat. After all, it's a form of temporary (we hope) ego loss that troubles even some ordinary non-insomniacs. Consider being a stim-boosted, self-centered, hedonistic egomaniac for 100+ hours with nary a break, and falling asleep really is a form of death, and whether you'll ever wake up again truly comes across as unknown. Many are too tired or oblivious at that point to care, but for others who tend to think too much, this can be a very serious issue.

 

[pseudointellectual]

parts of that post remind me of the movie The Machinist.

 

[HottButtaz]

I like to read mdpvagrant's posts as fast as i can, just running my eyes along the lines picking up about every other word. It adds to the realism.

 

[MattPsy]

"I'm almost immune to dopamine psychosis"

Hah, not from what i've seen buddy

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ This is the truth.

 

[fastandbulbous]

I'm almost immune to dopamine psychosis

C'mon, you can't really believe that, not after some of your actions a while ago. It's along the lines of,"I'm not the sort of person to become addicted to drugs" while using on an almost/daily basis.

If you do believe it, the I think that might be the cornerstone of your stimulant woes as nobody is immune to the sort of psychosis that excessive stimulant/dopaminergic drugs produces. Some might take longer to turn into a certified fruit-loop, but everyone does in the end with excessive use (I speak from the position of having been there while deluding myself that I was acting normally - it caused so much shit in my relationship because of my sticking my head in the sand regarding my heavy stimulant use)

 

[Jamshyd]

I hope my comment about mania is now a bit clearer...?

 

[Jabberwocky]

lysergic acid diethylamide

 

[MDPVagrant]

ya I have ben hospitalized from stimulant sleep deprivation.

MDPVagrant- after 4 days of no sleep I can can barely differenciate between "real" things and hallucinations. Auditory and talking to people who arent there.

7 days or more!! shit i cant imagine the psychosis

Unfortunately I can claim the same as you said above in the first sentence. And have been out toward the 8-9-10 day point - quite recently, in fact. It is not a state conducive to life at all, but survival is possible. Perhaps with some degree of brain damage...

I've talked to a few people with manic-depressive disorder who have claimed two weeks without sleep -- very difficult to believe, frankly.

P.S. I have no problems differentiating between reality/fantasy while extremely sleep-deprived, but at some point appear to succumb to a hypermanic agitated state, like plugging a flashlight into a 240v wall outlet. Feels very much like a neurological condition (e.g. nervous system disorder) rather than anything psychological. I remember saying "my nervous system is shot" (to certain people who would definitely know what psychosis looks like, and who merely sent me home to suffer more).

And a final P.S. - I doubt sleep deprivation alone ever results in diagnosable psychosis, and tend to suspect those who truly become psychotic are suffering more direct effects from whatever substance they've overindulged in, i.e. dopamine psychosis.