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DESOXYN: just started on, need advice from others familiar with it....

Yer-same here,prolly like Cocaine content in Coca bush-tiny amounts, until you nass it up add, drain cleaner, battery acid, and other nice things:)

Desoxyn, (probably through it's mystic of unattainability-rareity) many seem to think it's the bomb and soooo much better than it's next down, Dexedrine, but 6.7mgs Desoxyn=5mgs Dexedrine, only a bit smoother, longer lasting.

Many of the user exeriences i'v read, say they often find Dex more stimulating and euphoric, while Desoxyn generally more sedate, calming-as Le Junk noticed.
 
Well in all honesty, when I used to like stims, I found dextroamphetamine to be MUCH more euphoric and useful than Crystal Meth (even IVed). Desoxyn shouldn't be very different - as a matter of fact, crystals of meth are more clean than dysoxin pills which contain lots of binders.

That being said, we should never, ever fool outselves into thinking that abusing amphetamine is somehow less of a problem than abusing methamphtamine. I used to think so untill I went through an episode of rhabdomyolisys due to excessive use of dex. After that, the mere thought of amphetamines makes me sick, and from that I have been clean of any amphetamines for about a year now, and have no desire to take any again.

Believe me LeJunk... if you think cocaine was a problem, wait till you see what amphetamines do. At least cocaine is not as physically harmful as amphetamines.

That being said, I am glad to see that you are reevaluating your position. Please update us as to what you've settled on. I wish you all the best :).
 
Le Junk said:
That's not what it says on my script page. Just says methamphetamine, nothing before, nothing after. It even tells you how to pronounce it correctly, for those that may have a problem with stuff like that. ;)

Check this out: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_images.shtml

Compared to this, for example: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines_images.shtml

And then while your at it, this one: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=15361


Le Junk :)
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Not that it really matters, but Desoxyn is the dextrorotatory isomer of methamphetamine. Hence, dextromethampetamine not methamphetamine is the correct usage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Oddly, Ovation pharms own prescribing sheet lists the product as"methamphetamine hcl", which again, technically it is not. More than likely Ovation recognizes the enormous profit potential in the diversionary market and wants to keep their street cred.

Look for future prescriber sheet updates where they'll refer to Desoxyn as plain old "Meth", then "Meth, aka 'Ice' in some circles" and finally "Pharmaceutical Tina Bitch!".

Psycho_Doc
 
^ But the street meth made from pseudophedrine is more often than not dextroroatary... to my knowledge, meth made from penylpropanolamine is indeed racemic, but since PPA is no longer common, almost all street meth today is made from p.fed, which means that it is dexmethamphetamine.
 
I can't speak to typical clandestine manufacture processes, but otherwise, yes you are correct.

Psycho_Doc
 
theanine said:
Strattera!!! ..... Just cuz it aint speed, doesn't make it bad! New age novel super selective pharmaceuticals of the future would certainly trump the old school all encompassing nuclear brain blasting super activating amphetamines. Meth is like brain Hiroshima versus Strattera a slick covert ops agent......
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Well worded I say!=D =D =D
 
UPDATE, Le Junk 9/28/07

Okay, from what I'm gathering, meth is almost a sedative at lower doses. I was prescribed 2, 5 mg. pills per day, one in the AM and then one in the afternoon. That just made me sleepy, lethargic and for some reason, hungry. :\

Soooo, today I went ahead and took two together in the AM. I immediately felt much, much better, less tired, alot more focused, but still a little bit disconnected. I proceeded to take two more, but at seperate times over the next hour. That brings the total to 4 at pretty much the same time. BAM, that's it! Apparentely I must have a pretty bad case of ADHD, because after 4 pills I can now see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miiiiiles, ooooh ye-a-ah! :) And I feel absolutely terrific, but is that wrong? :\ Honestly, I truly feel that a perfect medicinal dosage for me would be 3-4 pills in the AM and then that's it. I think the difference between 3-4 was miniscule, so I'll probably ask my PC to up the dosage to 3 a day. If that's a lil' short, then 4, but that's definately it. I think that anything more would be stickly recreational and though this is really nice, it's not my ultimate goal anymore. I'll ask my PC to never let me take it above 4 pills per day just to be safe. Any yes, I'll definately do that.

Interesting though. :) When I first received these pills, and then unknowingly proceeded to snort 4 of them, the buzz was absolutely awful! :p They're clearly meant to be taken as presecribed, so I'll never make that mistake again. As for now, I'll be sticking with the Desoxyn as I can only take what I'm prescribed. I can simply blow it all out in one day if I'm an idiot, or just take the recommended dosage and feel in control, focused, slowed down, with a side of fuckin' awsome! ;)

I'll update if it turns ugly, have difficulty sleeping, get amped out, or otherwise miserable. But for now, it's A. O. K.! ;)

Le Junk
 
i have adhd and imho there is no drug out there able to "cure" or even help long term. they are all band aids. and the stims are by far the biggest band aid drugs for adhd out there.

sooner or later you will just have to learn to cope without drugs, as hard as it might sound.

if you dont learn to cope without prescriptions or illicit drugs. I garentee 100% these band aid solutions will eventrully cause you more problems than the ADHD dose. i know you wont want to believe me. but its true. theres nothing out there that can "fix" of "controll" the add type brain.
 
Le Junk said:
after 4 pills I can now see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miiiiiles, ooooh ye-a-ah! And I feel absolutely terrific, but is that wrong?
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yes it is!

i started taking adderall at 15mg 2 times a day and it was THE PERFECT SOLUTION! but your tollerance will soon rise and after a while the doc will refuse to give you the amount you need. so then you will dose higher without permission (which your already doing) eventrully your months supply will last 10 days and you will crash untill you get a refill.
after about 2 years of taking adderall i was taking about 60mg 2 times a day and there was no turning back.
believe me when i say that this "week" little drug that 50% of the youth population is prescribed almost ruined my life. and im not joking.

desoxyn is gonna be great for a while, and yes it WILL WORK for a while but in the long fun it WILL become a problem if you continue to take it.
its meth! the "worlds most dangerous drug" so they say.:\

p.s. its funny to read your post. you think yo can controll it. that shit is gonna fuck you over. remeber my words when it does :D
 
It is not wrong, it's simply temporary. After years of cocaine abuse, you are still trying to catch a high rather than to treat your condition as you have so earnestly claimed. Continuous amphetamine use is self limiting and not sustainable. It must be cycled. Humans have a built in feedback mechanism sharpened by millions of years of evolution. There is no magic, you can't feel great all the time without paying a hefty price. In other words, Everything that comes up, must come down. Enjoy your buzz Le Junk, for now...
 
you *can* control and continually use amphetamine or methamphetamine!! You just wont get the euphoria all the time!
 
IAMTHOUGHTS said:
p.s. its funny to read your post. you think yo can controll it. that shit is gonna fuck you over. remeber my words when it does :D
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I'm sure it can be quite amusing, but I've been a 20+ year coke, hydro and MDMA OD'er. I know, I know that METH is the BIGTIME, that nothing compares to it's addiction cababilities and so on, but I do have alot of addiction experience. Granted my former addictions minus the hydros were mostly phsycological and not physical, but my doc's threshold is very limited, I'm sure. The buzz is nice, but it's not great coke, that's for sure. I think I'd find myself craving the cola more than the meth, but it is in the pre-game stages. I'm still going to try and get my prescribed dosage up to 3 a day instead of two, and then take them all at once.

However, your words of "band aid" ring more clearly than your warnings of this drug fucking me over do. I still have until the 8th of Oct. to figure out what my course of action is gonna be with regards to this med, an alternative med, or possibly even the Strattera.

I do appreciate your concern though and take all advice seriously. Thank you.

Le Junk :)
 
Can't belive it !

Is that you Le Junk or is someone using your alias?

Are you telling us that after a lifetime dedicated to purifying cocaine from amps, you are now discovering the vitures of amps?

Let me guess, you find yourself cut off from any coke supply and your are making necessity a virtue, slumming it with the tweakers.

I had some good time with amps in my pre-hard-drugs days, when my relatively youthful body had not developped any tolerance yet. I remember a pharmacy drug called "Captagon" which was all the rage back then. Then Captagon got scheduled and there remained AN1 (amphetaminil). When taken with alcohol, amphetaminil turned to amphetamine under acid catalysis in the stomach, so the theory. Anyway regulators kept it as a normally prescribed drug although it was widely abused. Those were the days, when even third-rate stimulants felt like 10 grams of coke feel today.

You could try Modafinil as well when you've grown tolerant to your amps. It makes some people feel decidedly speedy. Modafinil is a controlled substance (special prescriptions) in most European countries.
 
im not doubting your history with drugs or questioning your intelligence but I can tell from your posts that amphs are not somthing youve had to go to war with yet and i want to help people to avoid what i wnet through. hopefully your long history with drugs will help you make the correct decisions and choosing the best way to manage your add.

good luck! be safe, and be carefull with dat shit. :)
 
IAMTHOUGHTS said:
im not doubting your history with drugs or questioning your intelligence but I can tell from your posts that amphs are not somthing youve had to go to war with yet and i want to help people to avoid what i wnet through. hopefully your long history with drugs will help you make the correct decisions and choosing the best way to manage your add.

good luck! be safe, and be carefull with dat shit. :)
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I'll tell ya' what, it's almost completely subsided now and that's gonna be all she wrote with Desoxyn. I'm absolutely, positively done with that crap! :p It took on a really ugly turn after the 2-3 hour mark accompanied by, but not limited to, twitching of the facial muscles, twitching of the left arm, euphoria then depression then euphoria then depression, redness under the eyes, swollen face, tingling of the left leg, disassociated feeling, disconnected feeling, difficulty with speech, lack of wanting to do anything at all but sit on the fucking computer, headache, no appetite, non-sexual and just plain allaround MISERABLE! :p

All I can say is thank God I don't like amps! 8o My bodies rejection of them is absolutely terrific as far as what I've been reading from most of you guys about this shit. Looking at this stuff now as having any true medicinal value for me just totally went out the window. An hour or two, at the most, of feeling semi-great vs. 10 + hours of feeling like shit totally reminds me of MDMA. And my days with that are over as well. Five hours maximum of feeling great traded in for feeling like shit for two weeks just wasn't my bag anymore. Sure, the first 10-15 years with MDMA were great, but nowdays it's 100% bad from the shoot with absolutely NO positives anymore, so bye bye MDMA! And now you can throw meth in there as well as I have a really good feeling that this crap, Desoxyn, is going to be just about as much fun as that......or not. 8) My lack of having any seretonin left in my brain after 20 + years of hammering it with ecstasy week after week with absolutely no recovery period probably played a roll in this (no pun intended), but sobeit. Apparentely meth works off of seretonin, so if I no longer have any of that left then the results were probably predictable had you known my history and apparent brain damage. 3000 + hits of ecstasy over my lifetime. That's truly sad, very sad indeed. :( I'd hate to see an actual MRI of my brain today for it's probably laden with holes and dead spots. Real impressive Le Junk, real impressive! :\

Remember these words for anyone that uses drugs. Once the honeymoon stage of any drug is over, QUIT! It'll never be good anymore, it's completely over, those wonderful days are nothing more than a faded memory (or lack thereof), the great high of yesteryear will never ever return, IT'S OVER! Sorry, but that's just the way it is, 100% guaranteed, with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS!

So for me it's now goodbye meth, goodbye brain sizzling MDMA, goodbye my dear, dear old friend and closest thing to the Devil I've ever tried, cocaine, and hello again my old reliable, hydro.........on an occasional need for mood elevation only. ;) Ironically, I have no addiction to hydros though I know their physically addictive, but rather a simple need for one now and then when I'm down and blue. :\

Thanks for all your responses and posts of concern. Meth truly is an awful drug, and I'd certainly hate to be addicted to something so crappy, so I do feel for all of you that are. Meth has always been compared to me as what great coke is, but damn, whoever's told me that over the years has definately never done REAL coke, that's fo show! 8o Apples and oranges is all I can say folks! Now, I do have 20 + hits of Desoxyn left. Guess where they're goin? Well, I haven't actually quite figured that one out yet, though the toilet seems so perfect, yet so cliche as well. Any suggestions? ;)

I took a sleeping pill an hour ago and it's hitting me very nicely now, so until I'm completely sober again tomorrow, THANK GOD.....goodnight to all! ;)

check another drug off my wish list, Le Junk :|
 
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^im glad to hear it. maybe you should give the no stimulant meds a try...

your right about meth and mdma being similar in the fact that they both make you feel good for a while and then you feel like shit and crash for twice as long.
meth is thought to work on more seritonin receptors than other amphs.( if you look at wikipedia it tells the % of action on different nurotransmitters.) so your abuse of so much mdma im sure is making your initial experience of meth more negitive than say.. an amph virgin, because youve already been working your dopamine and seritonin to the max for a long time your getting less pleasure and more negitive effects even from the get go.

when i finally stopped taking amphs after 2 years of daily abuse i litterally crahsed for 2 weeks straight, and then i started to come back up slowly.
but that shitty, depressed, lethargic, strung out, crash feeling that you get after using meth/mdma/ & coke litteraly lasted for 2 weeks. and it took about
4-5 months before i felt semi normal again. keep in ind that this was just adderall which cant even hold a candle to the damage meth does to peoples lives.

once again good luck! id rather deal with the worst case of ADHD than have a meth addiction. i honestly cant even believe that in this day in age amphs are still being used for learning dissablities. its rediculous and dangerous.
i would never give my kids that shit.
 
I also get very tired from methamphetamine . It makes me want to sleep literally. You may want to give ritalin a try as it is a very different stimulant feel to meth. I cant stand meth and I have adhd. I do however like ritalin as its a different feeling. Even dexamphetamine I find better for my ADHD then meth.

I have never had pharmacuetical meth but I have had some pretty good quality stuff in the past whenever I have tried it.
 
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