Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

[RKulsh21]

I see a few things coming out of this new oxy formula.

1. There will be a huge spike in herion addiction

2. There will be a huge spike in roxi 30 sales

3. There will be a huge spike in suboxone sales and treatment entrys.

Ha ha

there has been a spike in the sale of 30s already... They used to cost around 20 bucks around here and have gone up to 30 a pop already!

 

[Snake_81]

Just an update for anyone who cares....I tried the grind/microwave/freeze/snort method tonight and it actually worked surprisingly well. I have no gelling in my nose whatsoever. If you're cheap and patient, this method is definitely worthwhile....just make sure you don't overheat.

 

[anotherone]

dntcheckthtbxdoc,

I used about 100ml or about 3.5 Oz of Distilled Water. Not sure what you would get if you used less water. I did place the finely ground OP in the bottom of the Juice glass first, then added in the Two Alka Seltzer Tablets (Whole). I then added about 30ml (1oz) of the water, waited 30 seconds, stirred the mixture a little then added about 70ml (about 2.5 oz) more of the water, stirred some more and then waited for all the effervescent activity to stop, stirred again, drank and in less than 5 min I was feeling it start to hit.

I think that one of the tests of success with any of these methods is how much "slime" is left after treatment with any of these substances such as coke, Epsom salts, citric acid, orange juice and so on. Unfortunately to date, treatment with any of these substances still leave the slimy trail of the polymer, suggesting perhaps that the polymer is still intact.

 

[Pegasus]

So then... grind/microwave/freezer/crush/snort seems to be pretty effective then, the consensus is?

 

[clementines_ghost]

Just some more notes on the citric acid solution (NPI): I've tried several different modes of using CA to help make the active oxy more soluble as it sits in your mouth, and some things work better than others. For any doubters, try this: pop an OP in your mouth and suck on it until you reach the first layer of gel (less than 5mins.). Then, sprinkle a small mound of citric acid/sugar mix onto your tongue (1/2-1 tsp) and move the OP pill into the hollow of your tongue where the citric acid/sugar mix is sitting, so that the OP pill is surrounded by & covered in citric acid. Now, either go watch the result in a mirror, or you can just *feel* it happening; the citric acid mixmelts away the gel layer almost immediately, releasing a burst of delicious pure oxy bitterness onto your tongue. Doing this, I've reduced the time it takes an OP to melt completely away, from 90 minutes (just sucking on it, no citric acid) to about 30 minutes. I also continue to find these new OPs stronger than the old OCs, when melted on the tongue this way. After the little "bowl" of citric acid you've held on your tongue melts away the gel layer, you just move the newly hard pill back under your tongue or tucked into your cheek, and wait until the next gel layer appears, and repeat. Technically, I suspect it's not really layered, per se, but that one's saliva transforms the hard gel to a soft, mushy gel over time, so it feel like you are reaching layer after layer of gel.

Couple more hints: A) I was getting really tired of eating SPKs, so I went to my nearest large supermarket, hit up the bulk candy section, found all the sour gummi candies and filled a bag with a few pieces of candy and a ton of the citric acid/sugar mix that drifts in huge piles in the bottom of the plastic bins. I am now the proud owner of a plastic bag full of a perfect citric acid/sugar, so I can use as much as I want without having to actually chew through gummi candy to get the same result. and B) this was another accidental discovery: I had just popped an OP in my mouth the other night when I decided I wanted to eat dinner and didn't want to wait 60 minutes for the pill to dissolve (this was before I began "melting" the gel layer with pure citric acid/sugar powder, so it was still taking longer)...I had had the pill in my mouth for about 10 minutes, and had about just reached the first really goopy gel layer when I spit the pill back into an empty rx bottle to finish after I ate. Well, about an hour later, I went to retrieve the pill out of the bottle, and noticed that it had grown and swelled to about 50% again the original size. I popped it in my mouth and found that all the hard layers were gone, and the pill was just a flat disk of floppy gel. It melted in my mouth very quickly. I really wonder whether anyone at Purdue tested good old fashioned human saliva as a solvent.

Lastly, I've found that despite my initial hatred of these OPs, I'm having an unexpected mixture of Pavlovian/Stockhom Syndrome reaction to them now: a couple days ago I was 'scripted some roxicodones and was SO happy and relieved/excited that I would no longer have to rely solely on the OPs, but to my shock, I actually really miss the ritual of melting the OPs in my mouth...somehow now that I am getting easily 95% of the oxy, eating the OPs seems sort of...sensual and luxurious, like taking a long bubble bath where the longer you stay in, the warmer and more beautiful and soft everything seems. I've even gotten over my initial loathing of the gel, now that the citric acid reliably dissolves it immediately. This morning, I actually chose to take a couple of 30 mg. OPs instead of my Roxies. I tend to wake up very early and read in bed while the sun comes up, anywhere from 30-60 minutes,and there's something really lovely about letting the OP gently melt in my mouth as I prepare to get out of bed and start my day. The effects of the pill build gently but noticeably, so that by the time I am ready to get out of bed, I feel all warm and muzzy-happy.

 

[anotherone]

So then... grind/microwave/freezer/crush/snort seems to be pretty effective then, the consensus is?

In my experience that`s been the most effective method. (ie. powder to microwave to cooling)

There is some suggestion that soaking the pills in water for 24 hours or more may also be effective. Addition of some citric acid (sour salt from a supermarket) to the water also seems to help.

Has anyone tried soaking the powdered pill in iso propyl alcohol (IPA)and then filtering to remove the polymer. There is some information that IPA breaks down the polymer. What should be left in the filter should be pure Oxycontin. The liquid IPA with polymer should be discarded.

 

[sjccdien]

I wanted to post my experiments with breaking down a 40-OP. I had to be discrete since I have a full house so I wanted to take these the quickest way possible but get the best buzz possible.

I tried the method of sucking on it like a hard candy as well as mixing beer salt.

I started with Sour Patch Kids as I had read earlier but after eating 2 I found it awkward to suck on it because the candy with get coated with the plastic film from the pill. So I decided to sprinkle some beer salt on my tongue which helps tremendously at breaking it down quickly but burns your tongue.

Changing strategies a bit, I pulled out a small measuring spoon and put some beer salt in it (just enough to cover the bottom of the measuring spoon) then I spit the pill with some saliva into the measuring spoon. Spitting the pill into the spoon eliminated touching the pill and getting your fingers all slimy. Then with toothpick I proceeded to move the pill around in the saliva/beer salt mixture and almost instantly you can see the plastic film separate itself from the pill. Doing this for a few second the film with wrap itself around the toothpick and you can toss it. I couldn't bring myself to eat the plastic film (it looked like sperm to me) so I just washed it down the sink. Then I took the measuring spoon and dumped the pill back into my mouth to suck some more. It tasted like the beer salt for awhile and slowly you start to taste the oxy with every swallow.

I repeated this three times over an hour - hour and 1/2 till it was too small and I accidentally swallowed it. It worked well for me. I was nodding in and out on the couch for the rest of the night with a great buzz. While it wasn't the same bang when you snort, you still get that oxy high. This method certainly works! Cudos to whoever made the suggestion about candy salt!!!

 

[Unbreakable]

I found your posting. I've tried the Dremel, Ped Egg and various files and the best way for producing a fine powder is the nutmeg grater. Works fantastically.

Glad to help fellow opiate heads out

 

[dutchie3k]

I see a few things coming out of this new oxy formula.

1. There will be a huge spike in herion addiction

2. There will be a huge spike in roxi 30 sales

3. There will be a huge spike in suboxone sales and treatment entrys.

Ha ha

Beyond these is another huge one. Not only roxi's, dope, etc blowing up in price/demand (as the two go hand in hand,) but also all other good pharmy dope i.e. hydromorphone, morphine etc.

Also, as you can imagine with all the people shit out of luck to get any decent opiates at any decent price (if they cling to the stigma against H...somewhat foolishly/naively and stick to pharmy's...) benzo demand and prices have fucking SKYROCKETED...all the people either using them to get through WD or to hold them till they find some opiates.

 

[BlackMaiden]

Hey, Bollocks, thank you so much for posting this. I've been looking for a relatively believable method of defeating the time release on the new Purdue oxy's. I recently acquired an OP 80 and was dismayed to learn that it was one of the brand new, seemingly invincible version of the good ol' OxyContin (OC 80's).

Anyway, I realize you explicitly stated that you've used the freezing method to defeat the time-release specifically for oral administration, but I was curious - do you (or anyone else reading this) think that if one were to freeze the pill for an hour, remove it from the freezer and peel off the coating, crush it or shave it by any means necessary (as I understand it, these are exceedingly difficult to break up or even split), and then insufflate the resulting powder would produce good results without the product gelling up too badly in the nose? It occurred to me that this might be effective based on the assumption that the "gelling agent" would still be too cold to properly work. I figure if I can halt the gelling action long enough for the oxy to be absorbed in my nose, then the pill might be as effective (or nearly so) as it's older, standard OC 80 predecessor.

Again, thanks for posting your tried and true method of defeating the time-release; I feel like I can truly trust it because, as you've stated, it has been working for you for some time now; about several weeks, correct?

I read (in this thread, perhaps in another one) that the gelling agent (cant remember the specific name, started with a 'P') is soluble in cold water; what are some thoughts on performing the equivalent of a CWE on the pill? Is there any reason to believe this wouldn't work?

Looking forward to some responses!!

~ vaya

Has anyone thought to use dry ice. Dry ice has been known to break the flexability of rubber, shrink the size of things if allowed to sit and break many usually unbreakable things. If the product isnt gellable if its cold, then dry ice sure will make it so.

It may hurt your nose and mouth, or vein, if you trust it, but it may allow it not to gell so quickly. I wouldnt be brave enough to put these in my veins but then again, i wasnt brave enough to do it to begin with.

Just a suggestion. I was just introduced to these op's today, and though i have a low tolerance, somewhere between 40mgs, would it still be benificial to me to do this method (freezer)

Darkest Regards,
BlackMaiden


btw, im a tooter, if that help you out!

 

[Thebfoundation]

Long time reader, first time poster. The reason is to give an my experience with new OP's. For over 3 years I get 3 OC 40s and 3 15mg oxys, every single day, 7 days a week. Last week, the OC's became OP's and as many of you experienced, life got a whole lot less fun. Tried various ideas from here, but found 1 to work like a charm.
Microwave to freezer to nose. It's a pain in the ass, but the end result is spot on. As soon as the drip hits, eyes go from PEARL to pinpoints and that wonderful old feeling is back.
For those who say that the cooking doesn't work, you are simply mistaken.
Did the coca-cola, the lemon juice, the sour patch kids, but for someone who is only used to, and only desires the feeling from insufilation, the grinding and cooking is the way to go. I am actually waiting for 3 40's, processed, to cool right now. And i will be feeling like a million bucks in 10 minutes. It may look like pretzel salt, but it get's the job done.

 

[Thebfoundation]

SOOOO happy !

Worked like a charm. Pupils are tiny dots, feeling great. Rurik's or whoever came up with this idea, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !!!!!
A few tips I found to make it easier to do.

--- I use a sheet of extra rough sandpaper and needle nose pliers. Sandpaper in one hand, back and forth with the pill and pliers in the other. Way faster than the nail file I was originally using.

--- right out of microwave, put on a folded, dry towel and let sit in room temp for a few minutes. Afterwards, towel is VERY damp and hot. Sucks the moisture right up.

--- Next, put plate on a different folded, dry towel and put in freezer for 10 minutes. Again, towel sucks up most of the condensation, plate is dry.

--- Use a sharp, fresh razor blade. I have gotten them to cut up into a fine powder, almost like original OC's. Alot of chopping makes it sniff up alot better.

--- ENJOY !!!

So time consuming, but better than swallowing or cola trick or all those.

 

[Jabberwocky]

--- I use a sheet of extra rough sandpaper and needle nose pliers. Sandpaper in one hand, back and forth with the pill and pliers in the other. Way faster than the nail file I was originally using.

--- ENJOY !!!

So time consuming, but better than swallowing or cola trick or all those.

oh, so you're directly snorting glass from the sandpaper? that sounds kind of nasty to be quite honest.

don't be using sandpaper and other pedi(file)cure shit to grind up the pills

 

[Volcano]

Too many people snort this shit, it's annoying

ORAL methods > snorting methods. B/A is damn near identical

 

[Droppersneck]

Lol@ nutmeg files. The easiest and most effective file is the metal file used for shaving metal imo.

Use the flat side its better then the rounded side shown

 

[mr.muncheez]

Well, looks like it has finally happened to Walgreens too. I dropped my script off on Thurs, they told me that had to order the generics and that they would have them Friday after 12noon. I wake up at 3pm for work, called Walgreens, they told me that they cannot order them...they are on long-term backorder and she thinks they may be discontinuing the generic OC's....FUCK!!! I had one month of my originals after a month of the plastic shitty things and now this!!! I am NOT filling my OC script to get a bottle of plastic. I am going to call around or just go to my doctor and see about changing my medicine. If I cannot get the generic OC's, I am done with them..

To make matters worse. I told a good friend of mine who get the same dose OC's I get about going to Walgreens, I didn't think it would be a race to the finish, but he went to the Walgreens that my normal one said had them...the pharmacist there was going to hand deliver my script to the other store and have them put aside....little did I know, my so-called friend...raced over to that Walgreens and took their last bottle of the original OC's...so now I am FUCKED!!!! I'm pretty pissed at him to be honest, but more mad at myself for opening my mouth..I should have just kept this secret to myself.

 

[Thebfoundation]

For anyone that has grinded down the pills, and/or dissolved them....

I would suggest taking small amounts at a time, rather than the whole thing at once.

A lot of small pieces will dissolve and be absorbed faster than one big piece.

Take a little, then take a sip of water n maybe a bite of some food, then continue.

There is absolutely no point in dissolving the whole pill only to swallow it whole, where it will gel back together into the time release pill that it is.

Very Wise ! When I occasionally eat them, that does make some sense. Altough I believe by breaking them down first, they lose their binding properties. Otherwise they would just stay or rebind in the shot glass of coke, everytime you stirred it.

 

[Thebfoundation]

Hahaha !

oh, so you're directly snorting glass from the sandpaper? that sounds kind of nasty to be quite honest.

don't be using sandpaper and other pedi(file)cure shit to grind up the pills

The pill is way softer than the sandpaper. It's not the flimsy sandpaper your thinking of. It's from a triangle shaped hand sander. The paper and bumps are VERY thick, and is completely intact after the grind. It has white OC residue on it, but every single bump on the paper is still there. Obviously if the bumps were disintegrating and mixing with the powder I would not do it. But speaking from the actual experience of using it, IT WORKS. But hey, YOU'RE the expert.

 

[Jabberwocky]

no i'm not the expert.

but kinetic energy tells me otherwise, is all.

 

[trychomes]

I was stuck at work (restaurant) when I got 2 40 mg OP's. I read about the citric acid thing but had no sour powder. I used lime juice, let the pills soak in it on my tongue, then swallowed the juice and sucked on the pills. i repeated this process until they were gone-- took about an hour. I started feeling high ~30 minutes in. Like I could actually stand the customers and other servers, lol.
I felt high, for sure but I felt it was more like 60 mg. Anyway, theres my experience. Any ideas on the efficiency of this method and why I might not have gotten all the goods. A few times I tasted OXY quite noticeably. It was nice. Also whats the consensus on heating up whatever solution you use to the human body temp? Its gotta make it break down faster,