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Dealing with Addiction.

IllusionalFate said:
If people are questioning the addiction potential and risks of cannabis use, then how come drugs like cocaine and heroin aren't demonized on this board? I think (hope) that most people here agree that health/addiction wise, coke and heroin is MUCH worse than cannabis. So how come the risks of other drugs are rarely even brought up on this board? :/

Because this particular board is about cannabis and not other drugs. If you check out The Dark Side, you'll see plenty of demonization of other drugs, and very little of cannabis.

the seeker said:
for some people (myself included) smoking every day caused impairments in learning and memory, making it more difficult to do well in school. other people seem to be able to smoke every day and still acheive high grades. i don't know how they do it.

I honestly don't know. During college I was smoking constantly - it was my heaviest period of use for all 4 years. I mean, I would smoke when I woke up, after my shower, before each class, after each class, between classes, on the way to class, and then all evening/night. Yet I graduated with high honors with a double major, and it really was quite easy for me. Somehow marijuana just never impacted my intelligence. Motivation, yes, but evidently not enough to prevent me from doing well in school. I just never allowed anything to get in the way of doing well at school. My girlfriend was the same way, except that she was terrible at school until she started smoking when we were freshmen. After the first semester, she was on academic probation with a 1.2 GPA. After first semester, she never got below a B, and got mostly As. She said that it helped her to realize that she had been mentally lazy and irresponsible her whole life, and she could no longer live like that.

However, a lot of people I know were definitely hurt my their marijuana consumption and ended up failing out or at least not doing well.
 
Well i myself find an addiction for it. I never seem to be calm or in a pleasent state of mind when i am not feeling the affects of it. I have quit before but i always slip into the same pattern of heavy smoking. Even quitting cigarettes was easier that this.
 
Xorkoth said:
Because this particular board is about cannabis and not other drugs. If you check out The Dark Side, you'll see plenty of demonization of other drugs, and very little of cannabis.



I honestly don't know. During college I was smoking constantly - it was my heaviest period of use for all 4 years. I mean, I would smoke when I woke up, after my shower, before each class, after each class, between classes, on the way to class, and then all evening/night. Yet I graduated with high honors with a double major, and it really was quite easy for me. Somehow marijuana just never impacted my intelligence. Motivation, yes, but evidently not enough to prevent me from doing well in school. I just never allowed anything to get in the way of doing well at school. My girlfriend was the same way, except that she was terrible at school until she started smoking when we were freshmen. After the first semester, she was on academic probation with a 1.2 GPA. After first semester, she never got below a B, and got mostly As. She said that it helped her to realize that she had been mentally lazy and irresponsible her whole life, and she could no longer live like that.

However, a lot of people I know were definitely hurt my their marijuana consumption and ended up failing out or at least not doing well.

academic acheivement is not a good way to measure whether a drug causes brain damage. no one questions the fact that alcohol damages the brain and yet it is quite possible to graduate college with straight As while drinking every night. in fact, i can't think of any drug capable of damaging the brain so severely as to completely prevent academic acheivement in such a short period of time, except perhaps certain solvents and toxic chemicals that people inhale.
 
the seeker said:
however, there is evidence that it does.

Link me to these studies you're speaking of. I think I've seen them all and none are definitive.
 
the seeker said:
academic acheivement is not a good way to measure whether a drug causes brain damage. no one questions the fact that alcohol damages the brain and yet it is quite possible to graduate college with straight As while drinking every night. in fact, i can't think of any drug capable of damaging the brain so severely as to completely prevent academic acheivement in such a short period of time, except perhaps certain solvents and toxic chemicals that people inhale.

Likewise, your own personal negative experience with cannabis is not a good way to measure whether or not it causes brain damage.

And yes, I would like to see these studies you speak of, too.
 
frizzantik said:
99.9999% of people who abstain from chronic use will NOT experience ANY physical withdrawls.


where do you get this information? withdrawal symptoms like insomnia (difficulty sleeping), anorexia (loss of appetite), and hyperhidrosis (heavy sweating) are common with heavy cannabis users

35 years toking and will never stop. I like it and it has no ill effect on my life but without it I have trouble sleeping and food just ain't food but its nothing compared to narcotic withdrawals. Sleep is the toughest part, impossible with narc. withdrawal.
 
Hi, my name is DividedSky, and I'm addicted to food. If I don't have food, I can't fall asleep, and it just isn't pleasant.


Oh, we're talking about cannabis addiction? Ok, just replace food with cannabis.

Hah sorry, I just don't understand how anyone can have to "struggle" with cannabis addiction. It's a joke. Sort of like being addicted to Sun Chips. (mmmmm). Oh no, sunchips?! Fuck.
 
aight.....

my constructive response would be that at every point of everyday you make decisions. you make the decision to smoke or not. when the moment comes that you pick up the pipe you are also capable of puttin it down. Aint no brain-hand connection that forciibly puts the pipe to your mouth. and you aint gonna get violently hellishly sick if you dont smoke. feel some discomfort, a lil down. not so hungry, kinda tired, annoyed, in a bad mood. Shit man peopel get that from quittin drinkin coffee.

i think it would be hard to find people who would deny that some addictions are worse than others. cannabis is pretty much at the top of the "Drugs in order of easiness to quit" list....
i hope everyone whose dealin with addictions can overcome em. its just that as much as i hear it i dont feel all that much sypmathy when people cant stop smokin weed. you aint hungry without it? eat anyways. you bored without it? deal. its shit we all been thru before as daily weed smokers. it passes. i can understand a lil better not bein able to make it thru heroin withdraws. weed, not so much. even its worst symptoms are basically those of a female PMS'ing. Everyone experiences life different, all i can say is if the discomfort and unpleasantness of quittin smokin weed is the most difficult thing you have to go thru in your life, you got it made. I aint meanin to put people down just put it in perspective. Just how i feel about it. sorry if it upsets people :\
 
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Its probably easier to stop smoking herb than to stop dosing with caffeine....its in everything..half if not most of the worlds population is addicted to it--yet we cannot quit using it even though it causes high blood pressure, stress on the heart, and ultimately death (at an earlier age).

Why would you wanna kick the habit with smoking herb anyway =p safest thing to do out there if youre smart and use in moderation....Damn American culture for having to abuse every substance they come across...Alcohol to Heroin--unbelievable =p hehe

Peace~
 
I've quit cigg's, I've cut coke down to about once or twice every 2 weeks (from about 4-5 times a week), I roll about once a month now, after rolling about 2-3 times per 2 weeks for about 6 months...

I know these are kinda minor.. but while I could stop those and not let any habits get to out of control before I put a stop to it...

I have smoked weed everyday for about 3 years now.

Anyone who says weed isn't addictive just hasn't been addicted to it. There are millions of people (such as my self.. ), who are proof it is addictive.
 
Xorkoth said:
Likewise, your own personal negative experience with cannabis is not a good way to measure whether or not it causes brain damage.

And yes, I would like to see these studies you speak of, too.

who says i measured whether or not it caused brain damage enitirely based on my own experience? here are a couple of the studies i was talking about.


Long-term abuse of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the major psychoactive constituent of marijuana, produces behavioral and metabolic signs of frontal cortical dysfunction in humans; these effects persist even after short-term abstinence.

http://cannabis.net/dopamine/index.html

The cognitive deficiencies seem to persist after withdrawal. The toxicity of marijuana has been underestimated for a long time, since recent findings revealed delta9-THC-induced cell death with shrinkage of neurons and DNA fragmentation in the hippocampus.

http://cannabis.net/canbrain.html
 
lacey k said:
aight.....

my constructive response would be that at every point of everyday you make decisions. you make the decision to smoke or not. when the moment comes that you pick up the pipe you are also capable of puttin it down. Aint no brain-hand connection that forciibly puts the pipe to your mouth. and you aint gonna get violently hellishly sick if you dont smoke. feel some discomfort, a lil down. not so hungry, kinda tired, annoyed, in a bad mood. Shit man peopel get that from quittin drinkin coffee.

i think it would be hard to find people who would deny that some addictions are worse than others. cannabis is pretty much at the top of the "Drugs in order of easiness to quit" list....
i hope everyone whose dealin with addictions can overcome em. its just that as much as i hear it i dont feel all that much sypmathy when people cant stop smokin weed. you aint hungry without it? eat anyways. you bored without it? deal. its shit we all been thru before as daily weed smokers. it passes. i can understand a lil better not bein able to make it thru heroin withdraws. weed, not so much. even its worst symptoms are basically those of a female PMS'ing. Everyone experiences life different, all i can say is if the discomfort and unpleasantness of quittin smokin weed is the most difficult thing you have to go thru in your life, you got it made. I aint meanin to put people down just put it in perspective. Just how i feel about it. sorry if it upsets people :\


i could say if heroin withdrawal is the worst thing you have to deal with in life you got in made. just like you said, everyone experiences life differently. if you check out the "other drugs" forum someone made a post about not experiencing withdrawal after using 100 mg of oxy a day for months. for some people, opiate withdrawal is no big deal. for other its a nightmare. the same is true for other drugs, some people can't quit cigarettes if their lives depended on it (and they often do) and other people put out their last cigarette and never look back. marijuana is no different, some people cant understand how someone could become addicted to it, other people can't go a day without it. while its certainly true that serious addictions to marijuana are far less common than most other drugs, this does not mean marijuana isn't addictive, nor does it mean that a marijuana addiction can't seriously impact someone's life in ways that addictions to so called worse drugs may not. for example, i think eminem said it best:

Yo yo yo yo
Schizophrenia, how many of ya got it?
How many motherfuckers can say they psychotic?
How many motherfuckers can say they brain dry-rotted from pot?
You got it like I got it or not?
If you did, you would know just what Im talkin bout
When your tongues rottin out from cotton-mouth
When you end up becomin so dependent on weed
That you end up spendin a g in the vendin machine
You got the munchies, look at you, junk food junkie
Potato chips and lunch meat, up in the front seat
Sometimes you can get so paranoid from ganja
Thats it gotcha thinkin the whole world is watchin ya


some of us really do know just what he's talking about, my tongue even started to "rot out" towards the end from all the smoke coupled with lack of salvia. eminem wasn't joking when he wrote this.
 
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the seeker said:
my tongue even started to "rot out" towards the end from all the smoke coupled with lack of salvia.

omfg

DARE has gotten to you.. I'm not gonna argue further, I wanna leave it at this, lol..
 
Blowmonkey said:
omfg

DARE has gotten to you.. I'm not gonna argue further, I wanna leave it at this, lol..


umm, dare never said anything about marijuana affecting your tongue. this is just something that happened to me after smoking every day for a couple years, all the smoke, plus the cottonmouth affect started to negatively affect my tongue. i dont know why you think this is funny, i bet you wouldnt be laughing if it happened to you.
 
the seeker said:
i dont know why you think this is funny, i bet you wouldnt be laughing if it happened to you.

Oh, but it wouldn't.. You blame pretty much everything on pot. No sense in arguing. It's becoming quite hilarious.
 
well what should i blame it on? are you saying pot didn't affect my tongue and the affects just happened spontaniously in exact accordance with my usage of pot and dissapeared exactly when i stopped using it? also, keep in mind i was extremely pro marijuana at the time.
 
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