Cutting Cycle: Test P, Tren A and Winstrol

CFC said:
The doses are reasonable. To convert to enanthate esters just use 400mg/wk of each (split dose; eg 200mg Mon, 200mg Thu). As said I wouldn't bother with the winstrol, it's overkill for the purposes of cutting.

Given how high your bodyfat is, I would suggest using an aromatase inhibitor like anastrazole at 0.25mg/day throughout the cycle would be useful.

Also as mentioned above, your diet is going to be critical. Share it with us if you'd like some critique.
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I will add AI throught the cycle. What would be better, anastrazole or exemestane? i have available gears of anastrazole: ratiopharm, sandoz or kalpa pharmaceuticals and of exemestane only exemestan mylan generics. What do you suggest? thank you for all advices.
 
someUser said:
What diet do you suggest? High proteins, low fat and low-med carbs (mostly around training)?
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You need a proper meal plan mate, there's quite a few online. It's going to take some research and homework if you want to do it properly. You need to calculate the total calorie intake to aim for, and break down of carbs throughout the day, with one or two refeed days per week. This is a waaaay more important than AAS, so I'd recommend you spend quite some time sorting it out and getting your meals properly prepped and ready to go.
 
someUser said:
I will add AI throught the cycle. What would be better, anastrazole or exemestane? i have available gears of anastrazole: ratiopharm, sandoz or kalpa pharmaceuticals and of exemestane only exemestan mylan generics. What do you suggest? thank you for all advices.
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I'd prefer anastrazole personally, but it's not critical. Sandoz would be fine... all depends on price.
 
Heres a pretty basic diet for you

Meal I (7:30/8:00): 6 egg whites (cooked however) (30 G) + 1 serving oatmeal + 1 small small apple or pear or strawberries

Meal II: (11:00) Vegan/Greens+Fruit Shake mixed with 25G Whey Isolate Protein + 1 tablespoon Udo's Oil

Meal III: (2:00) 50 G Grilled Chicken Breast + stir fry veggies + small apple or pear or strawberries

Meal IV: (5:00) Vegan/Greens+Fruit Shake mixed with 25G Whey Isolate Protein

WORK OUT 6:00-6:30/7:00pm (20 grams BCAA's just prior and throughout workout having last sip upon completion)

POST-Workout: (Meal # 5) (7:00-7:30pm) 25 grams of Whey immediately Post Work Out

Meal VI: (8:00/8:30pm) 50 G Grilled Chicken Breast or Baked Fish + stir fry veggies with Olive Oil

Optional: 11pm 25-gram casein protein shake+1 teaspon Udo's Oil
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^^ Generically speaking, I'd just tweak that a little by making meal 2 another solid meal, and I'd add a whole egg to the 6 whites for breakfast, make the chicken/fish portions 200g and the remaining whey shakes 50g. I'd drop the added BCAAs (inhibits fat loss). And replace the Udo's oil in shakes with 20g mixed nuts/seeds (which I'd also add to meal 4 shake).
 
CFC said:
^^ Generically speaking, I'd just tweak that a little by making meal 2 another solid meal, and I'd add a whole egg to the 6 whites for breakfast, make the chicken/fish portions 200g and the remaining whey shakes 50g. I'd drop the added BCAAs (inhibits fat loss). And replace the Udo's oil in shakes with 20g mixed nuts/seeds (which I'd also add to meal 4 shake).
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Copy and edit it, then you can stick it some place so newbies have a basic diet to use
 
When I will start with cycle I will share my diet plan with you. I have one more question about cycle.

How long should i take tren?

1-12w Test E 750mg w
1-12w Tren E 400mg w

or

1-12w Test E 750mg w
1-10w Tren E 400mg w

thanks for all advices and suggestions
 
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someUser said:
ok, thanks ... i just asked :)

what about pct?

w1 clomid 50mg
w2 clomid 50mg
w3 clomid 25mg
w4 clomid 25mg + nolva 20mg
w5 nolva 20mg
w6 nolva 10mg
w7 nolva 10mg
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Im of the belief to not use PCT unless you need it.
So i wouldnt use any of it at all, until i notice something is wrong
 
Do u plan on running HCG since tren is notorious for completely shutting u down?
 
No I didnt plan cause no one didnt mention HCG. What doses and for how long should i take HCG?
 
My new supplier gave me a list of available gears



Tren: March, Vermodje, Axiolabs, Naspharma, Genesis, GEP, Vermodje
Test: Norma Hellas, Alpha pharma, Galenika, British Dragon, Balkan, Max pro, Genesis, Elite pharm, Naspharm, Vermodje Hep, Cambridge research

My previous gears were Elite pharm and Genesis only . What do you suggest?
 
someUser said:
My new supplier gave me a list of available gears



Tren: March, Vermodje, Axiolabs, Naspharma, Genesis, GEP, Vermodje
Test: Norma Hellas, Alpha pharma, Galenika, British Dragon, Balkan, Max pro, Genesis, Elite pharm, Naspharm, Vermodje Hep, Cambridge research

My previous gears were Elite pharm and Genesis only . What do you suggest?
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i dont know man...i dont trust anyone carrying british dragon
he could be making his own stuff and just slapping labels on them
 
someUser said:
When I will start with cycle I will share my diet plan with you. I have one more question about cycle.

How long should i take tren?

1-12w Test E 750mg w
1-10w Tren E 400mg w
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Personally I'd drop the Tren 2 weeks prior to the Test, as it can be pretty suppressive... Also drop the Test in week 11 to 100mg, and 50mg in week 12... (IE: Taper off), and use Arimidex 0.25mg EOD in both weeks to lower estrogen..

hCG can be used on long heavy cycles to retain testicular function, it works via mimicking LH, so not really what you want whilst on PCT, as there is a possibility it could prolong your recovery...

Its up to you as to whether you chose PCT or just taper off... I might be inclined to taper off, and stay off for a minimum of 3 months...
 
someUser said:
What about genesis? I've heard they shut down a few years ago?
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yeah man...it sounds to me like the person youre getting this stuff from is just slapping lables on stuff he made
i would bet if you talked to the guy he would tell you he bought the rights to the company
 
Genetic Freak said:
Personally I'd drop the Tren 2 weeks prior to the Test, as it can be pretty suppressive... Also drop the Test in week 11 to 100mg, and 50mg in week 12... (IE: Taper off), and use Arimidex 0.25mg EOD in both weeks to lower estrogen..

hCG can be used on long heavy cycles to retain testicular function, it works via mimicking LH, so not really what you want whilst on PCT, as there is a possibility it could prolong your recovery...

Its up to you as to whether you chose PCT or just taper off... I might be inclined to taper off, and stay off for a minimum of 3 months...
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Thanks, I will do exactly as you said. But in week 10 I will take 600mg instead of 750mg, week 11 100mg and week 12 50mg, this all is 3 trivials of test in cycle. And during the cycle I will take .25mg ED of anastrozole and in last 2 weeks .25mg EOD.

When I'll start with cycle I'll post my weekly diet plan

I'm always off at least I was on

Thanks to all of you for helping me
 
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