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Crude oil 4 aco dmt (can it be smoked or vaped)

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Smokey McPot

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I received a couple grams of 4 aco dmt crude oil from a certain vendor as a free bonus for ordering other stuff.

As far as I could find 4 aco dmt is a crystalline solid as both freebase and the hcl and fumarate salts. It came as a liquid in a vial. What can I do with this? Obviously oral dosing would probably work but is there any easy way to determine how many mgs/ml it is without dumping it all out and measuring the total volume and devising by the provided total weight on the vial? Im pretty sure that the provided weight is just the weight of the liquid so say I have 2.22g of this liquid is there any easy way to figure out dose per ml?

My second and more important question is cam this stuff be smoked? Can it be chased off foil or vaped in a meth pipe or maybe smeared on a smoke or a zig zag and smoked like that? Perhaps it can even be impregnated onto weed or some other carrier and smoked like that?

Anybody have any idea or even guesses?
I'm assuming that this is going to degrade rather quickly even in the fridge and I'm weary of putting it in the freezer because I don't know if it'll freeze and if that will ruin it or whatnot so I guess I have to go through this stuff rather quickly before it goes bad and I just wanted some opinions on how I should go about using this stuff.

TBH I'm going to try to smoke this stuff one way or another sometime this week when I have some time and I'll post the results but I just wanted some people's opinions on this in the meantime.
 
The origins of 4-AcO-DMT "crude oil" are a mystery to me. I imagine it to be a botched synthesis yielding 75% pure (according to statements by its proprietor) 4-AcO, and in response the vendor said, "WTF, let's see if we can recoup some of our losses by marketing this crap as 'crude oil'". If the 75% pure figure is to be believed then figure out a way to to dump it on your scales without gumming up the works and subtract 25%. Then just pray that the 25% mystery gunk isn't poison (in all honesty it probably isn't murder-level bad stuff). Happy trails, and welcome to the unregulated designer drug scene.
 
Thanks psood0nym so I basically have to m weigh the liquid? there's no way to extrapolate weight to volume in ml so it can be dosed with a syringe?

Why do you say that it can't be smoked faggot? Is it that the hear will destroy the material? I mean dmt can be smoked and I've even found someone on the shroomery saying that they've smoked cubensis extract with success, why should this one be that different? What is your reasoning begins why it won't work?

I'm going to try to smoke or vape it soon when I get a chance and I will let u guys know how it goes. I was really hoping it could be vaped somehow for a shorter trip with a faster come on so I guess I'll see how it goes.
 
I´m not an expert in chemistry, but it´s got something to do with the acetoxy group. I´m sure some one will expound on this. The consensus is than non of the 4-substituted tryptamines can be smoked. Not to good effect at least.

Wether or not mushrooms can be smoked is, and have been for a long time, controversial.
 
..........then again, people were smoking the 4-ho-mpt freebase.....weren´t they?
 
My recommendation is to dump it down the sink and just spend the cash to get the real deal. This "crude oil" shit is sooo stupid, I would never buy from that vendor again.
 
In theory you can dissolve it in e.g. dry hexanes or toluene and then gently gas it with HCl or something. You can probably recover some nice 4-HO/4-AcO DMT out of the mess.

I strongly advise against smoking any sort of "crude oil". It sounds like a freebase tryptamine with solvent and synthesis impurities - not what you need.
 
^Are you saying that not only will it not work smoked but that it's dangerous to even try?

Or are you just being a dick for no other purpose?
 
Would you consider vaping an unknown substance dangerous? Or is that in good keeping with harm reduction?
 
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^it was free I didnt buy it why would I dump it without at least checking it out. For science :)
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Ha nice way of trying to convince yourself to eat a substance thats 25% unknown material. Did it work?;) There may be a way to clean it up, though I know nothing of this "crude oil" and you would need to know the solubility of the unknown, I believe but maybe someone can lead you in the right direction.
 
Only 25% according to the proprietor, which should be taken with a chunk of salt when it comes from a vendor even willing to sell "crude-oil" 4-AcO-DMT.
I'd be more inclined to believe that the 75% pure figure is being somewhat...'generous'. But maybe that's just the skeptic in me talking.
 
I get harm reduction and all but come on we all know that there's an inherent danger in experimenting with any of these RCs some of which have absolutely no history of use like the new nbome's (which is what I ordered to receive this free gift but I'm waiting on a mg scale before I fuck around with those) let alone the countless new stimulants that ppl eat up in massive quantities, and that's not even mentioning the bath salts that contain god knows what and are sold all over the place to whoever.

Obviously I realize that there's an inherent danger in using any of these substances, that's not what I'm asking about. There are countless vendors who sell all kinds of crap disguised as something else. I've received 99% pure mdpv that required over 50mg to feel anything, obviously that wasn't mdpv and if it was it wasn't close to 99% pure. At least this vendor has the courtesy to admit that this oil has 25% impurities which are probably reaction by-products and probably (hopefully) not that bad for you (me).

This has all gotten way off topic as all I really wanted to know is if this stuff is active when vaped or smoked, and if not, is there a reason why 4 aco dmt would not be active this way? I am aware that there are dangers involved when dealing with unknowns but I thought someone was implying that there was a danger in the vaping of 4 aco dmt itself which I can't find any evidence for.
 
Seiko - I appreciate your warnings about the oil containing solvent but unfortunately I lack the equipment to bubble hcl gas through anything safely and I don't really have the expertise to make anything good out of this.

And thank you faggot your post about why 4-aco tryptamines can't be smoked is the closest thing to answering my question but if 4 ho mpt can be vaped couldnt this one especially considering a lot of it has probably degraded to 4 ho dmt by now or will if heated
 
Smokey McPot said:
Obviously I realize that there's an inherent danger in using any of these substances, that's not what I'm asking about. There are countless vendors who sell all kinds of crap disguised as something else. I've received 99% pure mdpv that required over 50mg to feel anything, obviously that wasn't mdpv and if it was it wasn't close to 99% pure. At least this vendor has the courtesy to admit that this oil has 25% impurities which are probably reaction by-products and probably (hopefully) not that bad for you (me).
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God help you if you think the danger in using a pure, known sample of a compound is comparable to the danger in consuming a dirty ass batch of god-knows-what that could contain toxic organic or inorganic reagents. Just... no. If you're actually planning to consume this "crude oil" stuff you are beyond insane.

I'm becoming terminally exasperated with people and their willingness to indulge this kind of crap. I mean, c'mon, "crude oil", really?? Who in their right mind would actually buy and consume that? There really is no accounting for some people's tastes...
 
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I bet nobody wants to buy that shit from the vendor, so he's sending out samples hoping his paying customers will be his guinea pig. Free or not, sounds like a bad idea to me. The unknown might not be toxic, but it could be rat shit for all you know.
 
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