Could piracetam reduce short term memory loss from cannabis abuse?

[Dave________]

I quit 10 months ago and still have not changed at all. Ive tried pramiractam which is the most potent of the nootropics but still i feel nothing. Even the piractam and i still feel the same. Does anyone know any way to solve this other than excercise and diet (i already do these things) this is super depressing.

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

LSD - I would try and quit smoking pot altogether because of the addiction and side effects. However I just smoked 10 grams in two days so I'm not one to preach lol. My post doesn't have to do with piracetam though because I think you can achieve success without whatever that strange chemical will do to your body.

Learn from this. Think of where you might be if you hadn't smoked any ganja at all this year.

When I'm baked all day, I don't want to be on anything else at all, even a cup of coffee will send my anxiety through the roof. Stop thinking about turning to chemicals - let the motivation come from within. Get 'er done! Don't resort to the use of any more chemicals, your brain is messed up as it is from the constant reefer (as is mine). If you do this stimulant thing you're going to end up digging yourself into a deeper rabbit hole, and it would be another bad decision to blame on the chron.

It's in the mind of one in the ball shackles of the dope monster that another substance of some kind or another must be resorted to in order to overcome problems caused by the herb itself. This is a mind trick to keep you smoking weed due to the hardships related to quitting. And also because the stuff kills self esteem. This led me to minor issues with other drugs. Seriously, it's gone too far. Just stop. But you can't, I know... I can't either because I'm not happy without it. But if only you really did STOP you might find yourself in a wonderful spot eventually, after the first couple months. I've been there, and I stupidly returned... all it took was one puff. Now I might never get out again.

I always used to smoke even more weed during exams, cause of the stress of being behind due to smoking so much reefer all semester. I think it might be too late to stop. I for one want to hang myself on days like today that I don't have green. Just smoke that grass, study hard, go to exams high, try to cheer up and get 'er done! Then think about quitting before you become a 24 year old nothing wasting his degree, like me. The sooner you stop the better, unless you wish to remain a mediocre version of yourself for the remainder of your existence.

 

[Dave________]

LSD - I would try and quit smoking pot altogether because of the addiction and side effects. However I just smoked 10 grams in two days so I'm not one to preach lol. My post doesn't have to do with piracetam though because I think you can achieve success without whatever that strange chemical will do to your body.

Learn from this. Think of where you might be if you hadn't smoked any ganja at all this year.

When I'm baked all day, I don't want to be on anything else at all, even a cup of coffee will send my anxiety through the roof. Stop thinking about turning to chemicals - let the motivation come from within. Get 'er done! Don't resort to the use of any more chemicals, your brain is messed up as it is from the constant reefer (as is mine). If you do this stimulant thing you're going to end up digging yourself into a deeper rabbit hole, and it would be another bad decision to blame on the chron.

It's in the mind of one in the ball shackles of the dope monster that another substance of some kind or another must be resorted to in order to overcome problems caused by the herb itself. This is a mind trick to keep you smoking weed due to the hardships related to quitting. And also because the stuff kills self esteem. This led me to minor issues with other drugs. Seriously, it's gone too far. Just stop. But you can't, I know... I can't either because I'm not happy without it. But if only you really did STOP you might find yourself in a wonderful spot eventually, after the first couple months. I've been there, and I stupidly returned... all it took was one puff. Now I might never get out again.

I always used to smoke even more weed during exams, cause of the stress of being behind due to smoking so much reefer all semester. I think it might be too late to stop. I for one want to hang myself on days like today that I don't have green. Just smoke that grass, study hard, go to exams high, try to cheer up and get 'er done! Then think about quitting before you become a 24 year old nothing wasting his degree, like me. The sooner you stop the better, unless you wish to remain a mediocre version of yourself for the remainder of your existence.

Have you noticed any changes in your consciousness like for me i basically feel as though im in a permanent daydream.

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

Life is a daydream man, and a lot of things you might have thought were real do not exist. Weed probably made you realize something like that.

I really wouldn't worry about it man. They have a name for it, "derealization" I think. I would prefer to call it realization. You realize that nothing is real. But if you haven't smoked pot in 10 months that's really great, and there isn't anything more you can do but chill out.

Weed used to make me uncomfortable in the way you are describing, back when I was more of a novice smoker and growing accustomed to these general changes you mention. I totally know what you're talking about, but it happened in the early stages of my blazing career and I've been smoking for a decade almost. I quit and felt like a different person. Trust me - the experience might even be beneficial for you in the long run. I would not worry one bit about feeling any different.

My problems with pot are of a different nature now. They are "real world" issues - I have no control over my use, I waste so much money on it, and it makes me insecure. Your problems seem to be more of an existential crisis, which I have also experienced. Eating a lot of mushrooms helped me overcome those issues (lol)

 

[Dave________]

You might be right but the issue with my memory is just really unbearable. Like i can spend hours studying wake up the next day and remember none of it.... incredibly depressing. I've even noticed that my communication skills have become much worse like it takes me forever to think of what i want to say. Anyway im about to try aniracetam which is a nootropic that has been extensively studied to be safe. Idk if it will work for me though b/c i did so much damage to
myself by smoking.

 

[QuantumTheory_xx]

@socal - How the hell does someone smoke 2.5g a day, 0.5g of hash, and down 20 grams of goodies?

Your tolerance is high because you're doing crap like that! And seshing as you wake up. Take 5-6 hours at the start of your day for sober time. You'll get much higher. I've been seshing for as long and most of my friends for even longer. Even 1 bowl can get us high for a good 30 minutes because we spend the first half of our day sober.

 

[Dave________]

Anybody out there know anyway i that can reverse these effects of smoking weed. I quite smoking a long time ago, i eat healthy, excercise, get enough sleep, and keep my brain active by reading and doing cognitive training. I have been doing this for quite some time but no significant progress. I really am at the point that i can not continue any longer like this in life and really need some advice here. My whole concept of reality has been ruined by smoking as much as i did.I was inconsistant but at times it was anywhere between 3-5 times a day consistantly for over 4 months. Honestly any advice could help at this point Please respond as soon as possible.

 

[just_said_coke]

You might be right but the issue with my memory is just really unbearable. Like i can spend hours studying wake up the next day and remember none of it.... incredibly depressing. I've even noticed that my communication skills have become much worse like it takes me forever to think of what i want to say. Anyway im about to try aniracetam which is a nootropic that has been extensively studied to be safe. Idk if it will work for me though b/c i did so much damage to
myself by smoking.

Anybody out there know anyway i that can reverse these effects of smoking weed. I quite smoking a long time ago, i eat healthy, excercise, get enough sleep, and keep my brain active by reading and doing cognitive training. I have been doing this for quite some time but no significant progress. I really am at the point that i can not continue any longer like this in life and really need some advice here. My whole concept of reality has been ruined by smoking as much as i did.I was inconsistant but at times it was anywhere between 3-5 times a day consistantly for over 4 months. Honestly any advice could help at this point Please respond as soon as possible.

I can relate. I'm studying, reading, etc but have little to no 'actual' recollection of anything that happens to me. Not yesterday, not thursday last, not last year in may or even what i did on christmas... I smoke weed but it happens even when I don't. I've tried a bunch of nootropics, all the ones mentioned so far in the thread and others. I could feel slight differences in "feeling" but I'm not sure I'd translate any of it in relation to cognition or memory.

One thing that may help you with the study is to make lots of notes. I do both separately in summarising articles and also on the book/article im reading itself. On the actual article I'll usually mark each section by the concept, keyword or whatever it's saying (or any questions or thoughts i have myself).. I then draw a line up and down to show which paragraphs or sections belong to that note. This effectively chunks and maps the article to something I recognise and serves as a prompt to guide my thinking when I refer to it again. This sort of thing really serves as a cognitive extension by functioning how I believe my memory would

So in class I'm the guy that has all their readings printed out, highlighted, penciled and or marked up down the sides etc. I have this open in lectures and in tutorials when I need to talk, I jot things down so I don't lose it and can 'remind' or 'pre-load' that back into my current conscious thought. I guess, this could be described as a coping mechanism in a sense. At work meetings I have to have my notepad out or with one of my to-do lists or it won't get done. I also find if I make a list of things to do then just smash through them I'm more effective. I'm not sure we're getting into perception territory and I don't want to go too far OT but maybe this technique can work for you too??..

Also sorry to hear your tone. It does sound shitty but I think you should stop worrying or at least try to keep cool. I wouldn't consider smoking "3-5 times a day", "for over 4 months" as being excessive or even close to a lot.. though everyone is different chances are you're not going to stop being able to form sentences because of this. Even if it is the weed it's not the end of the world .. May I ask if you're consciously thinking in that time? and; if not, what does it feel like? and if so, what are you thinking about? (PM me if you want)

Back to OT I think the best thing is good sleep. I'd be ensuring 100% first that my sleep is perfect. Try going to sleep at 10pm or something, on you back, breathing through your nose all that stuff etc etc..

if nootropics really is your thing.. there are stacks out there on the nootropic forums.. having tried a few ingredients piracetam is probably what I ended up coming back to as the one that didnt 'weird' me out..

To the OP- try aniracetam for cramming. That's not to say I think it "works", but I did feel a little more "focus" if anything, again not memory. I've seen people cram on it but I honestly have nfi how people study on amphetamines...

 

[Dave________]

When i was talking about my concept of reality i mean that nothing feels real anymore. Like i could be hanging out with friends or in a room with family and it doesnt feel like im actually there. Its almost like im in dream. I really dont even have consciousness of myself anymore like i have almost become a little bit
schitzo.

 

[just_said_coke]

When i was talking about my concept of reality i mean that nothing feels real anymore. Like i could be hanging out with friends or in a room with family and it doesnt feel like im actually there. Its almost like im in dream. I really dont even have consciousness of myself anymore like i have almost become a little bit
schitzo.

It's hard to know what you mean exactly, even though I understand exactly what you mean (doesn't make sense right?)... but you have to consider it could be not to do with weed, it could be temporary, it could be the way you are, it could be an underlying condition or it could be phase and nothing at all. If it worries you so much seek proper help, though my point was you shouldn't stress purely on what seemed to me to be a perceived link between your weed consumption and some sort of cognitive impairment or neurological damage to "fix".

My way of relating to what you've described is like standing at a window. Sometimes I'm at the window looking out and 'being' in the world and I don't even perceive a window. It's easy to have a good grasp on yourself as a centred subject in this type of experience. I'm actually -really there-. I don't so much self reflect in the moment so much as what others have described as "just living it".

On the other hand, and I had this feeling almost entirely throughout my teen to early-mid twenties actually, it feels like I'm actually standing far back from the window. The world occurs as a performance outside and I'm now aware being so far back from the window I may as well be in an attic or something, standing far back from the window. In this view I'm experiencing everything from afar, as you say almost like a dream, and because I'm aware that there is the world but a void within which I am, I feel like the commonality of reality is missing; hence derealisation. The attic becomes where your thoughts are and where you 'act'. It shifts the point of being to the self reflexive inside.

The reflexivity and that individual mode of being IS definitely something I associate with weed. If this is something that resonates with you and you want PM me and we can chat further to keep the thread OT. Otherwise good luck with the study and figuring it all out. One thing is though, if you're worried it's a good sign you're still here


Anyway back OT- I think I'm going to have to order some aniracetam

 

[rules]

Good lord! How do you even function using that much?! Tolerance must be up in the stratosphere, no?

that's nothing. i know people that smoke a lot more than that. are you really that surprised? i myself smoke about 2g a day. erryday.

lol. i was so high just now that i was typing my msg in the quote section and couldn't figure out why it was giving me a "your msg is too short" pop up.

 

[Dave________]

how do i pm you

 

[Dave________]

Also when you said seek help what do you recomend. I thought about seeing a neurologist but im unsure at this point as to what i want to do at this point.

 

[Dave________]

Reversing the damgaging effects of cannibus on memory.

I have tried all of the racetams and the major nootropics, even noopept which is supposed to be the strongest and i have felt no change. I smoked a lot myself and i am now basically worried that i will have to live my life like this. Really depressing. Any advice here would be great.

 

[CuDLife]

If piracetem is a prescription med do not take it, just cut back on your kush intake if you want. Ill let you know tho i've been smking daily for 2 years as much as you a day and shot term memory is still the only thing it affects, so don't trip to much

Ill be honest i try to refrain from taking advil and asrpin or any per. drug when i have a headache or any pain, i just dont trust prescription drugs except for allergies cuz its actually a need.

 

[CuDLife]

you guys are crazy, if you guys are having problems with memory loss from weed and it bothers you that much you should quit smoking, cuz now you puttin two drugs into your system at a crazy rate if you blaze alot. just my thoughts

 

[keanhe]

N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine 300 MG x 2
Biopterin 25 MG x 2
P-5-P 5 MG x 2
Pyritinol 400 MG x 2
Aniracetam 750 MG x 2
L-Theanine 100 MG x 2
Lithium 5 MG Daily
Niacinamide 500 MG x 3
Noopept 10 MG x 2
Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate 500 MG x 2
Ginkgo Biloba 120 MG x 2
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 500 MG x 2
Omega 3 Oil 1000 MG
High potency Multivitamin/mineral
Astaxanthin 4 MG Daily
B-Vitamin Complex 100 Daily

I'm a daily smoker, up to three times a day in some instances. The supplements I've listed are a regimen I've been taking since May of 2011. I don't suffer from any of the negative cognitive aspects of marijuana intoxication at this point. Highs are much more euphoric, clear headed; they honestly feel as nice as 30-40 mg hydrocodone, but it could be the fact that the strains are quite good themselves. I also find that body loads are eliminated almost indefinitely, making virtually every strain I try similar to a typical Sativa buzz.

I'm not taking those supplements in an effort to enhance my high, but I can say that marijuana has become a hell of a lot stronger/more attractive since starting them. A lot of the supplements (L-theanine, aniracetam, niacinamide, N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine, and noopept) also promote increased motivation, confidence, and mood, which is wonderful for concentration and preventing laziness. I'm also giving lithium orotate a run (as it, as well as Acetyl-L-Carntine Arginate + Acetyl-L-Carntine, promote neurogenesis), but I don't think that's necessary for anyone to try unless they've sufficiently reviewed it.

In the last year and a half, I finished up my Associate's Degree and transferred to USF with a 3.85. I'll be studying Biomedical Science there. The best part about it is school has never felt so easy for me. Do yourself a huge favor and familiarize yourself with the supplements, or more importantly their mechanisms of their actions (Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, NMDA receptor antagonists etc). Don't stack multiple mechanisms on top of each other (don't take Alpha GPC, choline bitartate, and huperzine-a all at once; they all do a similar function), and simply cater a regimen dependent upon the effects your looking for. Try and find synergistic compounds as well (such as P-5-P, biopterin, and N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine; all work together to increase levels of dopamine and norepinephrine, at least one increases serotonin as well). Hope this was of relevance to your question man, good luck!

 

[CuDLife]

with all do respect, your highs are prolly like that keanhe because of all the supplements themselves, cuz when i saw that list and read that you were taking all of them i almost shat my pants, that cant be good homie

 

[freehugs]

with all do respect, your highs are prolly like that keanhe because of all the supplements themselves, cuz when i saw that list and read that you were taking all of them i almost shat my pants, that cant be good homie

Pretty sure he said that lol and just because you take supplements doesn't mean they are bad for you. Do research on them before you make a judgement like that.

 

[keanhe]

Pretty sure he said that lol and just because you take supplements doesn't mean they are bad for you. Do research on them before you make a judgement like that.

^ this ~(_8^(|) DOH!

I've never felt better to be honest. Every aspect of my health has seemingly improved (physically, such as energy - a nice portion; overall mental effects have been tremendously easier to see). I also made sure that I examined the stack for any potential issues down the road, but if someone could enlighten me about a potential issue, I'd be more than gracious.