Conversations with My Guardian Angels

[murphythecat]

exactly.

still, if it makes ninae happy, good for her
basically, I think we are all angels.

^Ninae, this is a discussion forum. People are going to express their opinions. This sort of topic is quite polarising given the huge questions that never believers never seem to answer.

By that I mean of course where is the evidence?



Agreed with that. I feel like this sort of stuff actually cheapens spirituality in some ways. There should never be any need to pay for a spiritual experience (except on drugs I guess ) I imagine that, in paying somebody, you are inadvertently forcing them to provide you with a service, regardless of your suitability.

 

[Ninae]

The human spirit is just a different expression of the divine. But for short many like to say we're all angels. Everyone are born into this world in a divine state and are like little angels the first years of their lives.

 

[murphythecat]

The human spirit is just a different expression of the divine. But for short many like to say we're all angels. Everyone are born into this world in a divine state and are like little angels the first years of their lives.

well, can people who are not angel become a angel?
what do they need to do to become angels?
what do angels do, whats their goal in life?

 

[Ninae]

It's not like I know all of this, but I have read that a human soul can choose to transfer to the angel evolution after attaining the 5fth initiation (something that happens in the course of your spiritual development not described by religions). Attaining the 5th initation I imagine would be a fairly high point or some degree of enlightenment. There are many who have it as an ambition to become angels.

But it seems we can cross over if we choose, and there are also angels who choose to give up their angel identity, if it doesn't suit them any more. I once met a guy I got a real angel vibe from and later found out he used to be an angel a very long time ago, an archangel even, but there are many who find the responsibility of being an angel in this world too demanding.

Angels seem to have many tasks. In their non-human form they're a form of energy-workers and work with moving powerful spiritual energy to worlds that need it and helps to build and guide civilisations, etc. But their main role is to assist humanity and work with human consciousness. Like working as their guardian angels. And when embodied in human form they also tend to work to help out humanity in some way.

This can take many forms, like teaching, especially imparting spiritual knowledge, which can also be done in many ways and through different forms of art. And also by helping people more directly, by healing, therapy, councelling, etc. Or just being there for people in normal life, trying make their lives easier, or being more nurturing and having a family and animals to take care of is also a part of it. Most will be drawn to and focus on some of those things.

But the world "angel" is derived from the Greek word "angelos" which means messenger. So an angel is the messager of the love, light, and joy of God. And share their spiritual experiences as an inspiration to others.

 

[ebola?]

Turk: to reiterate, there is still no need to be unnecessarily antagonistic, particularly when it doesn't contribute to substantive discussion.

ebola

 

[swilow]

I don't know about that. This is a more hedonistic form of spirituality but it doesn't tend to make guidance directly available to you like that.

But I remember one thing Tolkien wrote about angels, he said "They always wanted to share, the angels", and I thought that was quite well-said. Just the way most people are if you want to share something they tend to take it as a challenge or even criticism of them. Instead of just looking at it as sharing and learning from each other. Many seem more interested in competition.

I'm not sure I follow... The angel-chaneller person you have posted doesn't seem to simply share, unless you consider that giving her money is more sharing.

I agree. When I was new to bluelight, I expected these topics to bring out compassion and understanding and was surprised to find that generally, Vegetarian and New Age threads bring out the worst in people.

Its misinterpretation IMO. Its virtually impossible to convey everything you want with words alone, so things get left out and subsequently added-in by the reader. IRL we have facial expression, tone of voice, language used, inflection, body language, hands/feet/eyeballs all conveying context to the (oftentimes) subtext of ones spoken language.

There is another side though. We also take things personally online where nothing personal is intended. It can feel like people are being egotistical if they are sceptical of your deeply held views, even while they talk about no other traits of your character.

Its all just stuff to learn from.

In my naive thinking, because I've always loved reading about the soul histories of others and found much inspiration in it, for some reason I thought others would feel the same.

But this board also seems mostly made up of sceptics and anti-spiritualists, and the spiritual people there are tend to be very hostile towards other beliefs than their own. I've never seen any need for that, but I guess that's just how it is, not that I can understand why.

I think sometimes you take scepticism as an insult, where none is intended. I can honestly say that I enjoy what you write and I've come to understand and appreciate your position a bit more, so I value it. I still don't think this is the whole picture and I can't accept some of what you say but that shouldn't matter (and I don't think it does that much to you anymore ).

I still don't believe that angel's live amongst us.

 

[Ninae]

I still don't believe that angel's live amongst us.

They're not "angels" in human bodies. They appear human with faults just like everyone else. That's the whole point of it. It's no different than the concept that humans are fallen divinities. But if you can't see humans as gods in disguise I guess you can't see them as angels in disguise.

It's just two different expressions of the divine, I don't really see what the big deal is. But I wish humans could come to accept their own divine nature more. It's so hard even at the time of Christ it couldn't be done.

 

[Erikmen]

In the Bible It's written that people will try to impersonate Angels to convince others, specially the misfortune ones, that they are something else.

They will have special 'powers' to convince one to follow them.
It's something related to the false prophets. And it's very old, as in b.C.

I don't remember how's that written but we have to ask ourselves what's the purpose of all these..

Due to extreme beliefs men have gone to war, innocent people were burnt alive. We have had more than we could bear. And that's only from the life we can remember.

 

[Erikmen]

^Ninae, this is a discussion forum. People are going to express their opinions. This sort of topic is quite polarising given the huge questions that never believers never seem to answer.

By that I mean of course where is the evidence?

I wonder if any of these angel channelers ever told anyone they weren't a reincarnated angel? Or, that, sorry, I got nothing on ya because this is your first life on Earth. I feel concerned for the people that buy into this nonsense. You shouldn't trust people trying to sell you spiritual emotion. Its free to all those who seek it.

Agreed with that. I feel like this sort of stuff actually cheapens spirituality in some ways. There should never be any need to pay for a spiritual experience (except on drugs I guess ) I imagine that, in paying somebody, you are inadvertently forcing them to provide you with a service, regardless of your suitability.

This is basically what I'm talking about..

 

[Ninae]

Well, I asked about all my family members and she said who was and who wasn't, like my sister's baby daughter wasn't, and about guys I've met, etc. And she didn't just tell me what I wanted to hear, on the contrary, much of what she told me I wasn't open to and didn't want to hear at all. It wasn't all pleasent.

Everyone seems to think I have some stake in whether they believe in that channel or not but it doesn't really matter to me. I just thought it was something that might be interesting to some. And I had already been told most of it by another medium when I was younger, anyway, and it was consistent with that. She just addressed so many personal details in my life she would have no way of knowing about (I didn't show all of it) and that's why I tend to believe her. Now I'm sure some will say "Yes, she might have been psychic, but the other things she told you wouldn't have been true" but they will believe what they want to believe.

The only way for someone to really judge would be to go through it for themselves. You can't judge by someone else you don't know who could be making it all up for all you know. There's no way it can be verified either way, but I don't really care what anyone believes, it's not like they have anything real to go by.

 

[Erikmen]

"it's not like they have anything real to go by."??

 

[Ninae]

I mean you don't know me in real life, so you have way of knowing whether what she says is true or not, and as you haven't spoken to her you have no direct knowledge of her either. So all you have to go by is your prejudice or general attitude towards these things. At least I'm familiar with what I'm talking about although everyone talks like I've dreamt it all.

Anyway, I don't really want to argue about it, it doesn't really interest me. But there was someone who wrote to me and asked me for contact information a while ago and I would be very suprised if he didn't come back and report the same as me (not the same things of course).

 

[Erikmen]

My grandfather used to tell us a saying which was something like this. Quite simple actually;
"Have children and educate them, plant fruitful trees and make sure you follow until they become what they are meant to be, write a book and always volunteer to help others." He tough me to be myself and I learned about willpower when I went too far in life.
Always with my grandmother until the day they could exist.

Until this date all of my sweetest and wise memories relies on the life I could spend with them. My best and and most fulfilling memories.

He wasn't my Angel nor cured anyone aside them doing good to others and having a life that touched everyone around him.

And, if so, doesn't he would choose people with more sense of humbleness? Or do you think he would pick the falsely naïve ones who would go around saying "I'm From the Angels kingdom" to others?

I believed that if we knew what happens after life or before life, this would be common knowledge to all the world. I think God would not separate us like that. Making that, him or her aware of what we are going after this.

I don't believe God delegated this function to anyone but to our unconscious..

And I believe this is one the human's most desirable truth.

Nobody knows. People's beliefs can't be so much greater than the other. And not even to the Grands this was made available so that a minority of special ones would have hidden powers or special knowledge. Imagine that..

If we learned something from any religion is that no one is more special than another.. Not even when they devote their lives like Jesus, Gandhi, or Madre Teresa de Calcutá. This is what I believe and it's not a bit more important than whoever' beliefs and should the truth about our destination is revealed, I really don't believe it's going to be that simple.

 

[Ninae]

Look, I obviously meant it as a curiosity for specially interested, or just a form of entertainment for most.

But I know in my heart I belong to some kind of angel kingdom. And one time I did MXE and took so much I lost control of what was happening and started to shift between dimensions (you know that horrible schreeching sound). And I found myself in some kind of angel kingdom with my mother and felt like I did when I was little and everything had a white aura or glow around it. It just felt like home or how it always had been but then I fell down to some kind of hell where female demons who looked like trolls were dancing in circles around me, laughing, as they enjoyed torturing me so much. Then I managed to pull myself out of that.

The first I heard about it when I was sent a tape by Yvonne Wassini. She was the wife of a great Danish spiritual author and used to do clairvoyant readings on peope's soul histories for his books and I found this facinating (some would be from other planets, etc.). She was a gifted medium/clairvoyant and a wonderful writer so I asked for a reading, it didn't cost much, and when I listened to it she spoke in a trance-like way, but without hesitation, and I could tell she wasn't lying (I don't expect anyone else to believe it as they weren't there).

I think I've lost the tape now but I remember the first thing she said was "The first picture I get when I tune in on you, Nina, is of an angel. An angel that goes down to earth. A very delicate, pure, and fine angel", etc. So that was a suprise to say the least. But she went into quite a lot of detail, like I was there at the end of Atlantis working as a priestess in a temple, etc. and said I was used to that when I was in my angel kingdom I could just think of something and it would instantly manifest. But here on earth you have to work with physical matter to accomplish things and I'm not so good at that.

She didn't mention anything about the rest of my family so I thought I must be pretty special. But it seemed so fairytale like I didn't think much about it. Only this new channel also said the same thing but went into much more detail about it. Anyway, this is all very personal and subjective, about as subjective as it can get, so it's not like I expect everyone to take my word for it just like that. And that's fine by me.

 

[Erikmen]

I mean you don't know me in real life, so you have way of knowing whether what she says is true or not, and as you haven't spoken to her you have no direct knowledge of her either. So all you have to go by is your prejudice or general attitude towards these things. At least I'm familiar with what I'm talking about although everyone talks like I've dreamt it all.

Anyway, I don't really want to argue about it, it doesn't really interest me. But there was someone who wrote to me and asked me for contact information a while ago and I would be very suprised if he didn't come back and report the same as me (not the same things of course).

You also don't know me, you don't know who I have or haven't spoken to. The only one treating another with prejudice is yourself claiming to be an Angel superior to us all. You are the one who met Cleopatra, please don't turn these things to me.
I am out of this conversation..I thought Angels brought peace to humans.

 

[Ninae]

There's no reason to be offended, I just meant you have no reference point to judge if any of the things she said are true. I'm the only one here in the position to know details about my personal life and the one who received all those images whatever you may think of it. What I meant was I have no interest in arguing about it as there's nothing to gain from it either way.

The word "prejudice" doesn't need to be taken as an insult, it can just mean you literally have no other way of knowing about something than you're own preconceived notions or personal attitude towards it. I didn't mean it as any kind of offense, but people seem to take anything that's open to interpretation as an insult, I guess because they're so accustumed to it.

I'm not the one causing unrest, for some reason some just want to see everything in the worst possible light.

 

[socko]

Ninae, I think I understand where you're coming from with these threads. They're interesting to read, but for some topics, especially this one, half the people reading it take it the wrong way. You might have more fun with it and get better feedback if you posted in the Blogs section of bluelight. It's not totally dead in there.

 

[Ninae]

You're right, I've read similar things about other people I found very interesting and inspirering, but most will just find it annoying or take it as a personal offence you dare stick yourself out like that. Like I said, I wasn't looking for ego-validation as all you get is attacks and ridicule. I can think of easier ways of getting attention.

 

[Erikmen]

In my naive thinking, because I've always loved reading about the soul histories of others and found much inspiration in it, for some reason I thought others would feel the same.

But this board also seems mostly made up of sceptics and anti-spiritualists, and the spiritual people there are tend to be very hostile towards other beliefs than their own. I've never seen any need for that, but I guess that's just how it is, not that I can understand why.

I don't think you are naïve at all. You just seem to have too much of an EGO and you believe you are superior to others, because a couple of telepathic people might have read your thoughts, and by that you would believe in each word they say (in that sense I believe you are naïve)..
From my experience, blessed people would normally act/express themselves with a little bit of humbleness. Maybe lack of Ydmykhet.

 

[Ninae]

The world is a big ego game.