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AlmostFamous said:
This is very true too! Shrooms CAN release your grip of reality. Acid is more controlable.
[Comparison Subthread] Acid vs. Mushrooms
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This is very true too! Shrooms CAN release your grip of reality. Acid is more controlable.
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Frustrated said:Well you're right, it can't extrinsicly... It's just tough not to run into personification of a substance or concept which exaggerates characteristics of your own. With the same reasoning - we can't really say red is mad, blue is sad, and yellow happy. They're just colors, trying to mind their own business
LOL, well said, i like how the happy faces support your argument. I think buy saying acid is arrogant, you mean acid gives you a feeling of dominance, like your better/stronger than those around you, arrogance!
TheLostOne
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Well anything that makes you trip you can loose grip of reality and yourself.ON high dose of mushrooms and acid you can go insane.
I definatly have always had more controll on acid no matter how bad it got I never worried for some reason.
On mushrooms it can turn into a nightmare.But my first trip was a horrible one and It took me a year or two to be able to take them with out getting paranoid.
I think they are both very differant.
Acid will take me on one wild journey.
as where mushrooms take me on a rollercoaster ride of emotions and visuals.and mushrooms definatly give you a differnt body high.
acid makes you feel like a mad genius.
as where mushrooms when there not confusing you make you feel philisophical.
I never will take high amounts of mushrooms because of my bad trip but I know people who have said after eating quaters and more that they saw the room upsidedown and felt like they were walking on the ceiling and weird shit.
I definatly have always had more controll on acid no matter how bad it got I never worried for some reason.
On mushrooms it can turn into a nightmare.But my first trip was a horrible one and It took me a year or two to be able to take them with out getting paranoid.
I think they are both very differant.
Acid will take me on one wild journey.
as where mushrooms take me on a rollercoaster ride of emotions and visuals.and mushrooms definatly give you a differnt body high.
acid makes you feel like a mad genius.
as where mushrooms when there not confusing you make you feel philisophical.
I never will take high amounts of mushrooms because of my bad trip but I know people who have said after eating quaters and more that they saw the room upsidedown and felt like they were walking on the ceiling and weird shit.
like a lot of people on here say... I had to "beat" acid a final time. I had a couple scary experiences and took 2 hits of low quality one day just to prove to myself that I could beat it. Haven't touched it or found in since. If I do find it, I will do that dance again though FOR SURE. Just to give myself a chance to "beat" it again 
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but i have something to add... a friend of mine who has done both shrooms and acid has told me that shrooms have more of a body hi and shroom visuals are more of an exaggeration of things already there (ie objects moving melting etc) while acid visuals are more like seeing things that are not even there... is this about right?
but i have something to add... a friend of mine who has done both shrooms and acid has told me that shrooms have more of a body hi and shroom visuals are more of an exaggeration of things already there (ie objects moving melting etc) while acid visuals are more like seeing things that are not even there... is this about right?
I'd have to say mushrooms gives a more complete experience. Only downside with mushies is even when your peaking hard off 10gram of dried mushies you still yawn and think about sleep !
But i think for comparitve doses the visuals are way better off mushies. Also, your far more likely to meet some entities off mushies if thats your thing. Last time my g/f and I took mushrooms we took a real large dose and it was amazing, we could read each others minds, talk to "other beings" all sorts of stuff that I'd never experienced before on any other drug including dmt, daura and lsd. We had GOD-like powers, we could control all aspects of the mushrooms at our will, such as time-dilations, we could speed or slow down our time fram at will. It was the best drug experience I've ever had and possibly the best experience of any kind I've ever had. THis was off 50-70 Australian Subs. I've yet to take acid at a larger dose than 1mg, but i suspect it will be quite different. But both drugs definately have to own special elements, Acid has a LOT more attention to detail. BUT I cast my vote to mushrooms as a more complete experience (that is to say that you experience what seems like you've taken Ecstacy, lsd, datura, and other drugs all at once. Acid just feels like Acid.
But i think for comparitve doses the visuals are way better off mushies. Also, your far more likely to meet some entities off mushies if thats your thing. Last time my g/f and I took mushrooms we took a real large dose and it was amazing, we could read each others minds, talk to "other beings" all sorts of stuff that I'd never experienced before on any other drug including dmt, daura and lsd. We had GOD-like powers, we could control all aspects of the mushrooms at our will, such as time-dilations, we could speed or slow down our time fram at will. It was the best drug experience I've ever had and possibly the best experience of any kind I've ever had. THis was off 50-70 Australian Subs. I've yet to take acid at a larger dose than 1mg, but i suspect it will be quite different. But both drugs definately have to own special elements, Acid has a LOT more attention to detail. BUT I cast my vote to mushrooms as a more complete experience (that is to say that you experience what seems like you've taken Ecstacy, lsd, datura, and other drugs all at once. Acid just feels like Acid.
synchrojet
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Not much changes with LSD over 700-800 mics, at least in my experiences. I never went as high as 2000, but I hit a few 1500mic trips and they just lasted longer than the 800 mic trips. 700, 800 mics is the magic number for me, though...anything below that and the trip was essentially something happening with me as a spectator, rather than a participator.
Shrooms, at least cubensas, also seem to be fully realized at a pretty good dose, much more than I see commonly reported for trips here. I always eat at least 1/4oz now, dried, all at once. I would say that at least half of the trips I take involve at least 15 grams of dried shrooms, and even then they last only about ten, twleve hours, tops...and that's if I split up the doses.
A half ounce eaten all at once is where, for me, the full fledged trip occurs...doses below this generally tend to be a spectator type experience for me.
Now, don't get me wrong. I have stated on this board that even just five grams of dried shroomage blew my mind apart one time and I freaked right the fuck out just as bad as an LSD freakout, of which I have had four (there will not be a fifth). Three of those trips just scare me even thinking about what went through my head...my spirit. Anyway, like I said, I have freaked right out on a smaller dose (5 grams) after tripping hard many times on 1/2 oz eaten at one sitting.
What I am getting at here is that at low doses, the drugs seem to be more similar than they really are. Go above the doses I listed as threshold and the difference will become crystal clear immediately. LSD and shrooms have almost NO common ground as far as I am concerned.
Doses around 2 grams of shrooms and 100-300mics LSD are purely recreational, without yielding anything near the full value of the drug. 'Museum' dose is a term I have read that seems appropriate, and because of the distance of the actual experience from the user the two seem similar at those doses. A bad trip on 200mics LSD is more like imagining a bad trip...its a bit of self indulgence and paranoia tried on for self-validating purposes.
Get yourself into an ego death involving being on spiritual trial for every thought you have ever generated in this lifetime and before, wondering if you have uttered unforgivable blasphemies against yourself and God, feeling yourself go irreversably insane, with the logic of a brute and the fractured memory of some point to life, now forgotten, ruined, but yet permanently conscious...now that's where you need to be before you can really break through to what matters. At around 800mics LSD I forget that I even took a drug...my mind is certainly not on things like drug effects and so forth because I generally believe myself either already dead or transmigrated and consider any memory of LSD ingestion to be a mental device constructed for the purpose of distracting me from what is at hand, which is usually my own condemnation (guilt is my plague for some strange reason)...and I finally accept what is to come and at that point all of those things that people talk about in their trip reports just go away like a movie that has ended, and I am left with a simple awareness of BEING.
Mushrooms get me there in high doses also, but via a completely different route. COMPLETELY different.
The primary difference between mushrooms and LSD in terms of cognitive reference is the sense of organic vs. inorganic. With mushrooms, even at huge doses, I am aware of my body, even if I think it has died. LSD can strip the body awareness real fucking fast at 1000 mics.
Have a sitter for both, BTW, at those doses. I always do. Incidentally, I have not done LSD in over two years and will not do it again because it now frightens me in a vague, but very significant, way.
Shrooms, on the other hand, I tend to do about once every couple of months, in spurts, maybe two or three days in a given week or something like that. I eat a lot when I do them. Every single mushroom trip I have ever had has benefited me in a very tangible way.
Shrooms, at least cubensas, also seem to be fully realized at a pretty good dose, much more than I see commonly reported for trips here. I always eat at least 1/4oz now, dried, all at once. I would say that at least half of the trips I take involve at least 15 grams of dried shrooms, and even then they last only about ten, twleve hours, tops...and that's if I split up the doses.
A half ounce eaten all at once is where, for me, the full fledged trip occurs...doses below this generally tend to be a spectator type experience for me.
Now, don't get me wrong. I have stated on this board that even just five grams of dried shroomage blew my mind apart one time and I freaked right the fuck out just as bad as an LSD freakout, of which I have had four (there will not be a fifth). Three of those trips just scare me even thinking about what went through my head...my spirit. Anyway, like I said, I have freaked right out on a smaller dose (5 grams) after tripping hard many times on 1/2 oz eaten at one sitting.
What I am getting at here is that at low doses, the drugs seem to be more similar than they really are. Go above the doses I listed as threshold and the difference will become crystal clear immediately. LSD and shrooms have almost NO common ground as far as I am concerned.
Doses around 2 grams of shrooms and 100-300mics LSD are purely recreational, without yielding anything near the full value of the drug. 'Museum' dose is a term I have read that seems appropriate, and because of the distance of the actual experience from the user the two seem similar at those doses. A bad trip on 200mics LSD is more like imagining a bad trip...its a bit of self indulgence and paranoia tried on for self-validating purposes.
Get yourself into an ego death involving being on spiritual trial for every thought you have ever generated in this lifetime and before, wondering if you have uttered unforgivable blasphemies against yourself and God, feeling yourself go irreversably insane, with the logic of a brute and the fractured memory of some point to life, now forgotten, ruined, but yet permanently conscious...now that's where you need to be before you can really break through to what matters. At around 800mics LSD I forget that I even took a drug...my mind is certainly not on things like drug effects and so forth because I generally believe myself either already dead or transmigrated and consider any memory of LSD ingestion to be a mental device constructed for the purpose of distracting me from what is at hand, which is usually my own condemnation (guilt is my plague for some strange reason)...and I finally accept what is to come and at that point all of those things that people talk about in their trip reports just go away like a movie that has ended, and I am left with a simple awareness of BEING.
Mushrooms get me there in high doses also, but via a completely different route. COMPLETELY different.
The primary difference between mushrooms and LSD in terms of cognitive reference is the sense of organic vs. inorganic. With mushrooms, even at huge doses, I am aware of my body, even if I think it has died. LSD can strip the body awareness real fucking fast at 1000 mics.
Have a sitter for both, BTW, at those doses. I always do. Incidentally, I have not done LSD in over two years and will not do it again because it now frightens me in a vague, but very significant, way.
Shrooms, on the other hand, I tend to do about once every couple of months, in spurts, maybe two or three days in a given week or something like that. I eat a lot when I do them. Every single mushroom trip I have ever had has benefited me in a very tangible way.
blahblahblah
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I would recommend trying lsd first, (half a blotter/tab/etc)
Mushrooms can be a shattering experience and tends to have a little bit more visual flair than its cousin lsd. Than try out mushrooms, find out what you like best and have fun.
Than you can move on to other things if you feel the urge...
2cb and mushrooms was an insane experience
so was a couple tabs of lsd on a nice summer afternoon
Mushrooms can be a shattering experience and tends to have a little bit more visual flair than its cousin lsd. Than try out mushrooms, find out what you like best and have fun.
Than you can move on to other things if you feel the urge...
2cb and mushrooms was an insane experience
so was a couple tabs of lsd on a nice summer afternoon
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SkiNLaB said:
I would try shrooms in a small dose first to get a feel of what psychedelics are like. Maybe eating an 1/8 then.
I wouldn't want to trip first on acid because it would have been way out of hand just because I wouldn't expect to see all that i did
XDiscoKillStyleX
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i have yet to do lsd
on friday i partook in 12 caps of shrooms
it was a total mind fuck, the colors were amazing. Brilliant patterns and i could feel the colors. although it had its beautiful ups, it also had its devastating downs, at times i felt i could not handle it and i would be pulling at my hair and skin, hoping to god i could keep my sanity, even though i was long gone. But like what was said earlier in the thread, it is the most frightfull trips that turn out to go the best for you. You learn more about yourself in those 4 hours then in any other situation ive ever been in. It is kind of like you learn to appreciate the control you have on your mind while your sober whereas while you are tripping you could lose control at any second at the snap of a finger.
on friday i partook in 12 caps of shrooms
it was a total mind fuck, the colors were amazing. Brilliant patterns and i could feel the colors. although it had its beautiful ups, it also had its devastating downs, at times i felt i could not handle it and i would be pulling at my hair and skin, hoping to god i could keep my sanity, even though i was long gone. But like what was said earlier in the thread, it is the most frightfull trips that turn out to go the best for you. You learn more about yourself in those 4 hours then in any other situation ive ever been in. It is kind of like you learn to appreciate the control you have on your mind while your sober whereas while you are tripping you could lose control at any second at the snap of a finger.
synchrojet
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Shubs--
It's relative. 300mics LSD is nothing to laugh at or take lightly, and that is not what I was trying to convey. What I am saying is that there is a HUGE difference between, say, 250 mics and 800 mics of LSD...it's like a different drug altogether at the higher dose. But the difference between 800 mics and 1500 mics is not very significant. This is why I consider my 'threshold dose' of LSD to be 700-800 mics, because this is the minimum dose where the maximum effects are felt. Hell, I wouldn't do 100 mics LSD these days because I have an irrational fear of what might happen.
It sounds like people who are suggesting that LSD is easier to control have engaged in the lower doses. Shrooms are harder to dose because you can get a stem or cap that is disproportionately powerful. However, every person that I know that has had high doses of both agree that LSD is more demanding, if for no other reason than it can last three times as long.
As far as which to try first...try mushrooms because the trip is shorter.
Also, one thing to remember is that mushrooms seem to produce more body reactions than LSD so be sure to remember that this is normal. Don't worry about bad tripping, just let whatever happens, happen. I always try to have Valium on hand in case I start to get overly agitated. Often times I will actually take a valium prior to taking shrooms. This is frowned on by many here, but hey...it works for me.
Some have suggested that opiates mix well with shrooms, but I cannot conclusively comment on that one.
Best bet is to meditate on the fact that you are taking them to learn about yourself, not to watch some cartoon in your head. If you get nervous, lay down and breathe deeply and slowly and focus on your inner being and your own ability to witness what is happening without judgement.
Don't fight it--it will end sooner than you think (too soon, actually!).
Best to you.
It's relative. 300mics LSD is nothing to laugh at or take lightly, and that is not what I was trying to convey. What I am saying is that there is a HUGE difference between, say, 250 mics and 800 mics of LSD...it's like a different drug altogether at the higher dose. But the difference between 800 mics and 1500 mics is not very significant. This is why I consider my 'threshold dose' of LSD to be 700-800 mics, because this is the minimum dose where the maximum effects are felt. Hell, I wouldn't do 100 mics LSD these days because I have an irrational fear of what might happen.
It sounds like people who are suggesting that LSD is easier to control have engaged in the lower doses. Shrooms are harder to dose because you can get a stem or cap that is disproportionately powerful. However, every person that I know that has had high doses of both agree that LSD is more demanding, if for no other reason than it can last three times as long.
As far as which to try first...try mushrooms because the trip is shorter.
Also, one thing to remember is that mushrooms seem to produce more body reactions than LSD so be sure to remember that this is normal. Don't worry about bad tripping, just let whatever happens, happen. I always try to have Valium on hand in case I start to get overly agitated. Often times I will actually take a valium prior to taking shrooms. This is frowned on by many here, but hey...it works for me.
Some have suggested that opiates mix well with shrooms, but I cannot conclusively comment on that one.
Best bet is to meditate on the fact that you are taking them to learn about yourself, not to watch some cartoon in your head. If you get nervous, lay down and breathe deeply and slowly and focus on your inner being and your own ability to witness what is happening without judgement.
Don't fight it--it will end sooner than you think (too soon, actually!).
Best to you.
ChemicalSmiles
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Man id rather do shrooms because it is shorter and I have freaked out less times on them.
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phucifer
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i've only done shrooms twice, so i can't really say for sure, but so far i like acid better. On acid i think very clear and have good coordination and feel like getting up and exploring the world, but on shrooms it's a cloudy headfuck and all i can really do is lay there and melt into what i am laying on and watch the visuals and rub my feet together cause it feels weird when they melt together. Shrooms are more visual for me and i see stuff that isn't really there at all like i have trippy images superimposed ontop of everything like dancing chiks and demons and what have you. most of my acid visuals are jsut plays off of what is really in the room and the only realy hallucinations i get are if i close my eyes or if it is dark and i get crazy designs and patterns. like a crazy screen saver.
here's a question i have. when we trip and see these patterns for me they look like trippy screensavers and such designs, now do we see these patterns cause we've seen the patterns before, or is it because that the universal pattern of hallucinating? like if the guy who made those designs never made them what would we see?
here's a question i have. when we trip and see these patterns for me they look like trippy screensavers and such designs, now do we see these patterns cause we've seen the patterns before, or is it because that the universal pattern of hallucinating? like if the guy who made those designs never made them what would we see?