Heroin Comparing Non-IV Routes

[Dankycodone]

I have never snorted powdered h before only iv. For tar I found smoking worked but had a shorter duration then IV tar and needed roughly twice the product. Never tried out any other roa's to comment.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

in terms of how quickly the high onsets:

1. IVing
2. smoking
3. snorting
4. plugging


yes?

Whether IV or smoking is faster depends on several factors such as technique but either way they'll be close. The inhalation route takes 7-10 seconds to hit the brain and the IV takes 15-30 seconds but if you're taking breaks between hits, it'll take longer from the outset to reach full effects than if you IV'd an entire dose quickly.

Plugging has the least amount of literature on it as its a far less common practice overall compared to the other routes, but it will certainly be close in onset to snorting, possibly even faster.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I think the Captain needs to take one for the team and at least try plugging once. For the purposes of empirical comparison, of course.

Come on, you KNOW you're curious!

I actually have given up using heroin. I actually prefer IV buprenorphine to any ROA for full agonists.

That and finding a heroin connect here is like finding a needle in a haystack.

You seem to be fairly sensitive to opiates and I'm jealous because if I ever could feel a high hours after shooting, I'd be the happiest man on Earth lol.

I don't want to vote on this poll though because I don't really have enough experience with any ROA other than IV, I mean I think I snorted dope for the first week after I first tried it, after that it was IV or nothing...

lol yes, I am. The biggest part of the rush was the first hour, and after that it kind of tapers down.

I think when you are sensitive to opiates it is harder to quit because when I was using, a very tiny amount of dope was all I needed to get out of withdrawals and get high again. If I was unable to get high I think quitting would have been easier.

Whether IV or smoking is faster depends on several factors such as technique but either way they'll be close. The inhalation route takes 7-10 seconds to hit the brain and the IV takes 15-30 seconds but if you're taking breaks between hits, it'll take longer from the outset to reach full effects than if you IV'd an entire dose quickly.

Plugging has the least amount of literature on it as its a far less common practice overall compared to the other routes, but it will certainly be close in onset to snorting, possibly even faster.

It is about a 7 second onset either way depending on the drug. For heroin or meth, you can start feeling high before you exhale.

 

[MartinFn]

Snorting..but i like the taste when smoking..

Sorry but..what is waterlining?(snorting/waterlining)..?Well,nobody votes oral..If the money wasn't an issue,i'm sure that i would eat the powder..I really like the taste..

 

[Heroin Girl]

Imo, plugging is closest to IV. I've smoked tar a few times and snorted powder once or twice to test it but I always IV - and when that fails, plug it. Feels basically the same, minus the rush.

 

[John_Burrows]

I wonder how many of the people voting have actually tried each method for a true comparison? Most likely people are just posting the one they have tried... Although everyone knows oral is pointless ;-)

 

[MistaBoogeyman]

i like snorting the most , also because i like the taste of the drip, plus that little burn right after sniffin........

plugging is not for me cause i dont like the thought of sumthin goin up my ass, oral does not work and smokin i never tried......

 

[Cane2theLeft]

I wonder how many of the people voting have actually tried each method for a true comparison? Most likely people are just posting the one they have tried... Although everyone knows oral is pointless ;-)

That and I suspect the majority of those who prefer smoking use BTH and the majority of those who prefer snorting use powder. But poll aside, I think its good to have a discussion on the benefits and drawbacks of various non-IV RoA's

 

[verso]

It's true. I voted "snorting" because it is the only ROA I have ever tried. I guess I shouldn't have voted lol

 

[MartinFn]

Maybe you should have the IM way,some people likes shooting, but they can't find their veins,what do you think they would do?Shooting IM of course..it's funny, i'm a junkie for about 14 years i think, and only now, a month ago,i shoot IM..when i was shooting was always IV, and after,when i could not find a vein,i was snorted..but somewhere i read(probably here) that shooting IM is 85%(IV 100%) and i did it, was cool..but i think that snorting last more..

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Unless you have diacetylmorphine in a vial, or micron filter your heroin, IM is not a wise ROA.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

The IM and SC routes are certainly more effective than the options in that poll but the risks make them wildly undesirable and it would be unconscionable for us to promote them in any fashion here.

 

[chompy]

I smoke my heroin and it is my preferred way to do it as the effects are almost instant. Snorting, I don't feel a "rush" but it lasts longer.

When smoked, I'd say it lasts 1 hour of warmth and the remaining effects last about 3 hours.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I voted plugging, but I would switch to snorting after some reflection time.

Snorting it kicks faster and has a more potent head nod, but plugging I always feel like delivers H straight into the hearth of your being and the opiate light gently ignites and burns warm.

 

[Mr.Slaves]

Plugging came on actually, very nicely after a couple shots. I wasnt nodding off and drooling but it was a nice dosage.

I didnt filter the liquid with cottons though, should I do this everytime no matter the ROA????

What did you use to plug it? how many did you have to do?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Plugging came on actually, very nicely after a couple shots. I wasnt nodding off and drooling but it was a nice dosage.

I didnt filter the liquid with cottons though, should I do this everytime no matter the ROA????

If you are plugging, I don't believe you "have to" filter it, but I don't have any experience with plugging, nor BTH.

For IV use, you will want to filter it every time.

 

[Mr.Slaves]

Hugh.......Ya that would work wouldn't it!?!? I will try that next time I am always down to try something "new". I know I had a G/F that took a turkey baster with a bunch of meth to the old poop shoot and said it was a different experience.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Oh yes. For me, IV heroin is a 2 to 3 hour long experience, maybe 4 hours tops - and tends to be dose dependent. For snorting, I always got a 6 to 8 hour duration, if I used enough to get a good high going.

If snorting produces a longer duration of a high, why do people move on to shooting it if it doesnt last as long?

 

[verso]

If snorting produces a longer duration of a high, why do people move on to shooting it if it doesnt last as long?

I'm guessing because of the rush that shooting heroin would produce. If I'm not mistaken, shooting heroin results in its reaching the brain and passing through the blood-brain barrier before turning into morphine. (You can imagine what a substance turning into morphine inside the brain all at once would feel like.) Snorting heroin, on the other hand, is metabolized into morphine before reaching the brain, so it acts more like any other pharmaceutical pain killer. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^I believe that via the intranasal route, the drug still reaches the brain before its converted to morphine (aka it bypasses first-pass metabolism) but the rest of what you're saying is right.

Its true of most people that when they progress into more serious abuse and addiction, they want as strong effects as they can get as quickly as they can get them. Beer drinkers may go to shots/liquor, vicodin poppers may move to snorting oxy (pre-OP's ) and eventually shooting heroin, etc.

As a 200 pound male, I could drink a 12 pack in 6 hours and have a BAC of about .146 but if I had 7 shots within 90 minutes, my BAC would only be .117 but I guarantee you I'd feel more fucked up!

From a logical standpoint it makes sense to weigh the pros and cons of various RoA's but when it comes to addicts, most are going to rationalize getting as much pleasure NOW as they can and not worry as much about duration of effects and such. Its like people who NEED to go fast in cars... if they're concerned about how fast it can go 0-60mph they are probably not going to be analyzing other factors such as gas mileage.