Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2

[dirtyinvega]

Bullshit! Stop giving people false hope by telling them their problems can be solved within days of taking another poison. It's not about putting something into your body and your body will miraculously reverse a damage that has been going on for months. That's not the way the body works. First of all you have to try to get rid of what's causing the problem. And like we all know, it is the poison that's causing it. You can help the body get rid of it with eating healthy, drinking lots of water and taking detoxifying natural substances. Another problem we have is that the processes in our bodies have to start to work properly again. The communication of the brain with all our cells and organs and hormons has to start working. So as long as our brain is in the condition it is right now the whole detoxifying process iss slowed down. The body is no longer able to protect itself to the same degree. The immune system is impacted. The absorbtion of nutrients is impacted. The thyroid. The kidneys and liver have been damaged. It's not only about the fucking dopamine and serotonin. It's about every process in our body. Every neuron in our brain is connected to one cell in our body. It normally communicates constantly. That's why psych drugs cause mitochondrial damage. So if a neuron is occupied by a toxin, whether it's invega or the other bullshit you're promoting, to neuron to cell communication is impacted. It's about helping the body getting to it's natural state. And you cannot do that through taking other shit. This won't "cure" anything. Your goal has to be to get rid of the toxic substance. That's why I am suggesting this doctor. His treatments are all about removing the causes, which means every toxin (whatever it is from food, drugs, pharmacutical etc.), bacteria, virus, parasite in your body. So your body can breathe again and start doing its work again. We need the function of our organs that clean us from the toxins to work better, so that we can get rid of it faster. One of the reasons that this takes so long is that our body has reached a degree of toxicity where it has become unable to work as fast as it used to. It has to protect the cells, it has to get rid of invega, it has to digest, regulate blood pressure and blablabla. This has all been impacted and it cannot do its work that well. If you don't wanna get in touch with this doctor, then I will find another way. I have a friend that will call there. @Empty You are not really willing to try ANYTHING, otherwise you wouldn't refuse my suggestion. So you guys take your stupid drugs and damage your body even more. I'm glad it is not my body. Some people never learn from their mistakes....

+1 I second this. No drug on planet earth can help remove Invega side effects and the suffering we are going though. Only time can heal us.

 

[awesome31311]

A word on music.

The first month after your injection music will be unbearable. Over time I've realized that the small percent of music I do enjoy is a very different type from pre invega

 

[Yeshuah]

So Yeshuah that doctor's email is [email protected] have you sent an email to him?

yes i did. I explained our condition, why it's been caused, the symptoms and asked how his treatments work and if there is hope for us. It is actually fascinating what he finds in humans body and brain tissues. He explains in one video that he helps eliminate chemicals from the body and detoxifies the brain as well. I don't know how he does it, but he seems to be very successfull. I mean ppl all over the world are going to him. And I looked at reviews online and they are really good. And you can see the before and after in his testimonials.

 

[Yeshuah]

Just look at this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYgrJrMced0 You will just know what this man is talking about and that he knows what he's talking about! He also explains that these chemicals that we have taken don't just leave the body through urine or poo because it has been absorbed by the tissue like a sponge. He has specific remedies to help the body get rid of it, help the nervous system work properly again, help it work on these specific aeras. I just know deep in my heart, that this is the way to go. I mean if he is able to remove anasticia medicine from the brains tissues that he finds in humans brains that cause the parkinson's symptoms. Different other chemicals from other tissues, I'm sure he can help us as well. I mean people who suffered for years with movement disorders, parkinsons, memory loss, ADD, dementia, cancer, insomnia, depression, anxiety and almost everything have experienced huge relief after only ONE treatment, some were fully recovered. And for some it takes a few more treatments. But he really is not someone who makes you be dependent on him, you go there until you're fully healed. A friend of mine who lives in the US is probably going to have treatments with him. She's in benzo withdrawal and has serious problems. So if she is going to recover through his help, there is no doubt that we can recover as well through his help. This is the ONLY hopeful information I have found so far online from someone who really know what these chemicals are doing to our brains. Why our symptoms are being caused. He has a very deep neurological understanding. And he really works with the patience until they fully recover. He doesn't just help them to deal or cope or get rid of only one symptoms or make it a bit better, he is actually interested in helping people recover FULLY from whatever they have. I mean how many doctors are there out there that actually have so much success with their treatments, that they can say they will do it until the person is free from his suffering. How many doctors, neurologists and even naturopaths and whatever tell people that they have to live with certain "diseases" or symptoms for the rest of their lives. I am very hopeful for the first time. I am going to let you know as soon as I or my friend receive answers from his assistant we wrote the mail to. She is probably gonna call him as well. I am going to give you further information as soon as I got them. Guys I never wanted to give people false hope, there are many things that people in our situation have tried. Noone ever has talked about this doctor, he doesn't have that much views on youtube, so not many people know him. And that is also the reason I have never heard of him from our community, other internet sites or benzo cummunities. I am very hopeful that he can help us. This may be a breakthrough for our community, that's how much I believe in it. I am not giving false hope, he really knows what he's talking about. He can also help you @invegauser There just MUST be someone of us who works with him to remove the shit we have injected in us. One of us has to start and if they see results, the rest has to follow. I am willing to fly there from Switzerland.

 

[Yeshuah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6MLC31slVE this is another video I recommend watching of someone who has been in the psychiatric system for decades and she describes how she has gotten worse and it made her sick. And that she has control of her life again and how much it changed. He also explains how everyone has a different "code" of chemical makeups, infections etc. that he figures out and creates remedies for each specific person. He doesn't just use a random remedy that he uses for every person.

 

[germanbackyard]

Empty1128


@Germanbackyard I wasn't hinting anything dude... I just thought that maybe somebody can help people like you because you are 100% clean from antipsychotics while we still have a depot in our muscle, @Hellohihey2 posted a link which showed a patient who had Paliperidone in his urine three years after his last injection.




Yes. Did you read the report? I guess if I would made a blood test, they will find very small quantities too.

in TV were lab scientists who have found tiny amounts of plasticizers in the blood of every normal citizen.
Plasticizers from normal plastic objects such as: Remote control, etc ...

They get into the blood only by contact with the hand.
They also find Aluminium, and other stuff in their blood.

<You can read in the examined blood like in a kind of history book>

I just want to show that almost all years after a touch or consumption you can find small amounts in the blood of every human being.




And i would like to point out that a substance cannot reproduce by itself.
If after your last injection this substance is still released into the body because it was stored in muscle cells, it can't be very much (a very small dose). But symptoms do not occur until a certain basic dose. Chemical processes can only start to react at a certain minimum dose.

I would like to point out that nothing can happen after a certain limit.
As in homeopathy-science, where certain people claim that substances still have an effect when mixed with a ratio of 1:10²⁴ .
(Which is about a drop in the 100.00 volume of the Atlantic).

I don't doubt that months after the last injection you still have symptoms because an intramuscular injection (which is what doctors give you as a "depot" injection) works so that the whole substance doesn't get into the blood immediately. It is bound and slowly released.

But after a certain time the amount, which can still be released, diminishes and is fully released into the body.

During the release, the substance may have stored in other cells in the body again, but only a small amount. But everyone reports that the symptoms are equally severe.
However, it would have to multiply itself if one claims that the depot amount has expired but a very small amount of the substance (maybe 0.05%)%) now causes just the same strong symptoms as a high amount (100%%)), although the most of the substance has already been used up as an antagonist to the receptors.

Either most of it goes directly to the receptors in the brain cells and blocks them (dopamine antagonist): So you feel the fucking symptoms.

Or most of it is deposited somewhere else, and is later released again. But then it can't fully saturate to the receptors in the brain when it's deposited elsewhere. And the symptoms should be weak in this situation. The substance does not multiply, it can at most divide itselfs.

I just doubt it can't be the only reason for people like Rosi to get injections (and not oral pills), but still suffer years later.
There's something else involved. (Something unknown biochemical, which already changes something during the active injection during injection or pills, which cannot be changed so easily after dose drop.




Otherwise, all doctors could give cancer patients only a single injection of medication (and not the entire treatment for several months).
and say that you don't have to inject more of that stuff, because it fights the dangerous cells (but curiously the amount of drug-Substance doesn't decrease).

 

[germanbackyard]

Maybe also someone is interested in this:



Name: Josef Zehentbauer

German psychiatrist + naturopathic physician and alternative Medicine besides the school medicine

He has a own practice in Munich, bavaria in germany



He's a great critic of modern medicine.

He says that Neuroleptics can cause great damage.

He also says that in patients with particularly severe psychosis he would still prescribe neurological drugs. (people who injure themselves extremely)

BUT he is the opinion that Neuroleptics are mostly unnecessary in most patients who got those drugs today.
And far too easy to prescribe.



He wrote a book about the natural healing skills of the human body:

"Koerpereigene Drogen - Die ungenutzten Faehigkeiten unseres Gehirns"

(but its only in german language)

These are the sites: S. 130-132 of this book, where he says that Neuroleptics causes damage.

http://www.menschenfolter.de/PDF/Neuroleptika.pdf




There was another Website, where he says, how the brain can heal itself in long term, but i did not find the LINK again in my browser.


LINK of his Homepage:

http://www.josef-zehentbauer.de/index.html

 

[Rosi71]

Please look where they say the brain can heal itself!! A healing would be soo nessesary to me!! Can we hope that healing happens during years?

 

[Yeshuah]

@Rosi71 I am getting in touch with the doctor I talked about. I will let you know what he has to say. I am pretty sure he can help us. The brain can heal itself, we just have to find a way to remove these toxins completely from our body. The brain is like a sponge and different substances can stay in the tissue for a very long time and cause problems. It's not as simple as just getting rid of it through the blood. Different areas of the brain control different organs, cells, processes etc. (including emotions and dreaming) in the body. If these areas are still occupied by toxins, the organs and processes cannot work correctly. The reason why some toxins can stay there that long is because this specific area has been numbed by the substance and the brain doesn't get it that it has to do a regulation in this area until you remove the toxic substance so it comes to life and starts regulate itself. This doctor changes the whole perception we have about brain cells "dying". In fact they are just shut down by a toxin or an infection and can be cleaned. He confirms to me what I used to see as a truth my whole life, but never found anyone who shares this point of view until I found him. @germanbackyard I always knew about the potential of the brain and the healing powers. I used it as a daily tool before this bullshit. However we have to accept the truth that this is only possible under the right condition. You have to be able to feel these areas in the brain, they have to be free of toxins and infections in order to work with it. I was able to control processes in my body before, like creating the sleeping chemical and fall asleep conciously, regulate my body temperature, control emotions and transform negative feelings/emotions/sensations, get rid of headaches in a matter of minutes by transforming the pain through focusing and go deeply into this area with my conciousness etc. Now that I'm in this situation these skills are non existent as I can no longer communicate with my brain. Like it's no longer a part of me, and my body is also numb in many areas along with the emotional numbing. I can control a little bit of my fears and transform them when I meditate and/or smoke a joint. But it doesn't feel as real as I still for the most part feel very disconnected to my body and soul and mind.

 

[Yeshuah]

@Empty1128 From my understanding, the reason why there is a peak at month ten is not because there is more paliperidone being released into the blood stream, but the body starts to get rid of it to a higher degree. Maybe because the kidney function starts to get better and the filtering process. You can see that in both examples the amount in the urine starts to go down drastically after month 10. So from my point of view it means that there is not much to get rid of after around 11 months. That would explain why people start to get better around the one year mark. However this doesn't show what remains in the tissues of the muscle, brain, cells, blood etc. That's why I'm so desperate to go to see this doctor and get the tests done. I wished he was in Europe. At least he gives me so much hope that we can get rid of this shit. So even if I wait for a few more months and save some money, I can still be sure that he can help me get rid of it completely and that I don't have to be afraid that some of this shit will remain inside of me. I don't wanna have any of this substance within me when I die, it will me my life goal. So sooner or later I will meet this doctor, that is for sure. So no matter how I progress, he gave me hope in my heart that I can hold on to. And to know that heals me even more. I also want to say that since I take my powder I notice almost daily improvement physically so far. Eventhough I'm still bedridden, but my movements feel smoother, my walking is easier I notice more processes going on inside my body.

 

[Rosi71]

@Rosi71 I am getting in touch with the doctor I talked about. I will let you know what he has to say. I am pretty sure he can help us. The brain can heal itself, we just have to find a way to remove these toxins completely from our body. The brain is like a sponge and different substances can stay in the tissue for a very long time and cause problems. It's not as simple as just getting rid of it through the blood. Different areas of the brain control different organs, cells, processes etc. (including emotions and dreaming) in the body. If these areas are still occupied by toxins, the organs and processes cannot work correctly. The reason why some toxins can stay there that long is because this specific area has been numbed by the substance and the brain doesn't get it that it has to do a regulation in this area until you remove the toxic substance so it comes to life and starts regulate itself. This doctor changes the whole perception we have about brain cells "dying". In fact they are just shut down by a toxin or an infection and can be cleaned. He confirms to me what I used to see as a truth my whole life, but never found anyone who shares this point of view until I found him. @germanbackyard I always knew about the potential of the brain and the healing powers. I used it as a daily tool before this bullshit. However we have to accept the truth that this is only possible under the right condition. You have to be able to feel these areas in the brain, they have to be free of toxins and infections in order to work with it. I was able to control processes in my body before, like creating the sleeping chemical and fall asleep conciously, regulate my body temperature, control emotions and transform negative feelings/emotions/sensations, get rid of headaches in a matter of minutes by transforming the pain through focusing and go deeply into this area with my conciousness etc. Now that I'm in this situation these skills are non existent as I can no longer communicate with my brain. Like it's no longer a part of me, and my body is also numb in many areas along with the emotional numbing. I can control a little bit of my fears and transform them when I meditate and/or smoke a joint. But it doesn't feel as real as I still for the most part feel very disconnected to my body and soul and mind.

Thank you, you are so intelligent and good, even with Invega this can be feeled. I dont know, what exact is destroyed or not. I am very in worry about my abused child and I would do everything to get like before again. But it is not. Sometimes I feel not soo bad and it is not like a year ago, going for a walk is a bit better and watching a movie sometimes. But until now I have no dreams of my oldself and maybe I never will.

 

[Neuroleptique33]

I hope you will heal @Rosi The main thing is the return of thought and emotions, dreams still I actually but good everything is related, if one removes the dopamine this removes the adrenaline serotonin etc... It's a circle that plays together I really hope it won't be permanent

 

[Rosi71]

I hope you will heal @Rosi The main thing is the return of thought and emotions, dreams still I actually but good everything is related, if one removes the dopamine this removes the adrenaline serotonin etc... It's a circle that plays together I really hope it won't be permanent

Thank you !!!! I dont know if a wonder is possible.

 

[Yeshuah]

Thank you, you are so intelligent and good, even with Invega this can be feeled. I dont know, what exact is destroyed or not. I am very in worry about my abused child and I would do everything to get like before again. But it is not. Sometimes I feel not soo bad and it is not like a year ago, going for a walk is a bit better and watching a movie sometimes. But until now I have no dreams of my oldself and maybe I never will.

Ahw, thank you. I am going to find a way to get in touch with the doctor. If you're willing to try anything, maybe this doctor could be an option for you. I will try to have a skype consultation with him as he does this with patients who live further away, so I can tell you guys what information he has for our cases. I am truly hopeful since I found him. I will keep you up to date.

 

[germanbackyard]

Yes. Months, not years.

 

[Rosi71]

But the second one still have 50 ng/ml after 45 months=3.7 years... The first patient has less than 35 ng/ml on his peak.I wouldn't be surprised if Rosy still has some Xeplion on her bloodstream.

How many shots and how much did he get and where did you read this?

 

[germanbackyard]

How much ng/ml have People who got a fresh Injection (where the negative symptoms are very strong)?

Ok, they had 50 ng/ml in 45 month. But a much lower dose of "Paliperidon" can not make the same equally strong symptoms like a high dose at the beginning, where people get fresh injected.
(But the users say, that the symptoms after month/years kept the same.)


The Point from Yeshauh is also interesting. Maybe we misinterpret it. Urine vs. blood-tests.



Please always use the Creatinin-Ratio-Value, not the pure Value. Palip/Crt

 

[germanbackyard]

I first thought you guys got the injection in your asses (Gluteal Intramuscular Injection).

You got it in your arm?


Yes it is excreted Paliperidone, not in the bloodstream, so the most is excreted in the first year while smaller amounts can stay in your body for a very long time and we don't know how much this small quantity can affect the brain, I guess it is different from person to person.


I don't know, but when i look at all the other drugs in our world, i observe that a higher dose has a stronger effect (which you want to achieve in each situation)
and when they gives lower doses, the effect of each drug is lower.


-antidepressants
-thyroid hormones
-cancer drugs
-Drugs (like cocaine, LSD, ...)
-benzos
-morphine
-etc.


Neuroleptics are nothing but artificial molecules with a chemical structure similar to that of the molecule of the neurotransmitter dopamine.
The only difference is that they dock to the receptor protein but do not trigger the release of the downstream G protein, which can open the potassium channels.

Lower dose = less area-wide receptor blocking + less affinity (physical binding by positive/negative charges of the different atoms of the molecules)

 

[awesome31311]

Thanks Germanbackyard. That makes sense

Classes start tomorrow. So not ready lmao

 

[Neuroleptique33]

I'm too negative.. We can heal but there are some who will stay there and I think I'm in the crap because having side effects to no longer have a thought is crazy.. When one changes the brain chemistry is what is restarting more beautiful? Inchalla..