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Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2

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I forgot which User it was.

But did the consumption of pomegranate vinegar or pomegranate juice really bring any other small improvements (day for day)?
 
@Invegasucksx (and everybody) Vaping CBD is a good idea for staying off of antipsychotics, or at least won't hurt. It's the THC that worsens psychosis. CBD has antipsychotic effects https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22716160. One study even found that the antipsychotic effects of CBD were comparable to those of amisulpride, a standard antipsychotic, of course with fewer side-effects: https://www.nature.com/articles/tp201215. I'm planning on buying some whenever I have more money (since it costs a lot of money at the right dose) and keeping it on hand just in case I start to get paranoid again.
 
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to the room: marijuana can induce temporary psychosis. it's why quiet a few of the people who have posted in both threads have been put on the poison. if you have a mental illness or not a hardcore drug user it would be beneficial to keep this in mind as it can complicate your life.

healing or recovering is what we refer to when you have stopped taking the injections and start the process where you are getting back to your old self. feeling again, motivation, thinking like you use to, functioning, not having withdrawal symptoms, etc.

Narshe81 originally posted under that handle. he forgot his password and came back here for a lil while under the username Narshe81_return, which i and a couple other people confirmed it was him. he fully healed from the first round of invega and was forced on it yet again. i cannot confirm or deny if he has fully recovered from it again but i have been trying to contact him. last i heard he was in the hospital but i'm sure everything is going just fine with him. real trooper that guy is.

Happy New Year!!

@Narshe81: much love brother. we're here for you if you need anything. happy new year.

heal quickly everyone. peace.
 
What dose of cbd should i vape and what brand? Also i dont think cbd will work if your still on invega. Im vaping it now and its not doing much. Once the drug wears off it should work.
 
we cannot answer that question as this is a harm reduction site. also the mods will tell you that using illicit (varying) substances will be harmful to the healing process and mental health issues.

it will work once the poison wears off. i got high recently, first time i smoked in a very long time. it was great.

i look forward to being sober this next year and everyone posting here to be fully healed.
 
Cbd is not weed, its fine. mods shouldnt be strict. I though this site was ok with drugs. I did however smoke a full blunt and it did nothing. So i agree there. I cant get high on invega. Im guessing you cant get drunk either.
 
CBD is derived from the plant or flower known as marijuana. it might not contain THC which differentiates it from smoking "weed" but it is essentially the same thing.

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i know my opinion probably isnt popular because there is this belief that weed is a "miracle plant" and it cures all of lifes ailments and no harm is caused from weed
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i agree fully with this statement to the point that people think CBD is harmless as well.

to elaborate further: CBD has only been recognized by science for under 100 years, it has not been used long enough by human beings to determine it's long term and short term side effects. even though the mind is not being affected by the psychoactive ingredient known as THC the body and (to some lesser degree) the brain is not in a natural state because a chemical or substance is introduced into the person to create a slightly different state of being. i.e. if you take CBD and your body is more relaxed or any other desired outcome then it is a drug. (it is also to note that THC cannot be fully filtered out during the extraction process but is in such small quantities that this note is more technical than applicable.)

mods are just doing their job just like admins are, if they weren't then we wouldn't have this site to use and i would be brain dead or just dead instead of fully healed... most likely (so would many other people who did not take invega/xeplion but other substances). this site is ok with drugs. it is a harm reduction site and they hope to keep the sourcing and promoting of drugs out of the picture for legal and harm reduction reasons. it's usually best to relate usage to in my experience format. i.e. i took this and this is what happened.


marijuana and all it's derivatives are only less harmful than other drugs. on a scale from 1 to 10 of how potent a drug is, how likely a person is to become addicted or lose control of their life due to usage; marijuana is more like a 1 or 2 compared to meth and heroin that are more like a 9 or 10.

it is still a drug and can easily be abused.

i am one who leans towards people who have psychosis from using any form of marijuana can't handle their drugs. i have also had 2 or 3 psychotic breaks from smoking marijuana. contradiction? not really. i do not take the same approach as a lot of people imho do today. i enjoy smoking or else i don't smoke. if i'm in a bad place i do not use it. i go about using drugs in a way for a specific reason and purpose as to minimize bad experiences and maximize having good ones (good times).

i respect the drug for what it is regardless of which one i am presented with. those who do not end up having bad things happen.

bad things happen regardless of how careful one can be in life as well.

don't forget i'm a stoner by birth and by trade and i'm not judging anyone.


to answer your question if i were to drink right now i could get drunk.
 
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I'm taking St Johns Wort and Valerian religiously now. St Johns is a CYP3A4 Inducer. Valerian is a CYP2D6 and CYP3A4 Inducer. Those are the main two enzymes that metabolize and eliminate paliperidone. This lowers the effectiveness and blood plasma level of paliperidone!
 
germanbackyard said:
I forgot which User it was.

But did the consumption of pomegranate vinegar or pomegranate juice really bring any other small improvements (day for day)?
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germanbackyard: the pomegranate juice makes me feel 10 to 15 per cent better. At some point I got naturally better by having less and less invega in my body so it was useless to take a lot of pomegranate juice. I took it for 2 weeks and it made me feel better but now I do not need it anymore. It is like the effects of coffe but even stronger on the long term.
 
It's so frustrating that I can't trip while on invega. For those who recovered.. how long did it take you before you could feel drugs again?
 
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It's so frustrating that I can't trip while on invega. For those who recovered.. how long did it take you before you could feel drugs again?
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It's been over 2 years for me since I have been off Invega I still can't 100% feel nicotine. I can feel nicotine if I vape 40mg per 1 ml. (40mg per 1ml is super super strong by the way) I don't do streets drugs so I have no idea - I also dont drink alcohol.

I think it's time for a 2nd video. In this video I will talk more about the side effects I got from Invega and share some of the techniques I have learned to help me over come Invega to make life a bit easier. Hopefully it will help some people? :)
 
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Some answers to my own unanswered questions:

"Some people say it took them years to begin responding to drugs like psilocybin, stimulants, or LSD again after having quit antipsychotics. There is no guarantee you will ever return to a state where such drugs affect you in the very same way, experientially speaking, that they did before antipsychotics."
~Mark Dunn, https://www.quora.com/Can-an-Invega...ck-receptors-in-the-brain-after-discontinuing

Also, check out this chart from the Invega's website itself, bragging about poisoning people for a very long time basically

By "relapse" they really mean withdrawal

It is interesting to note that 40% of the people never recovered

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According to this graph, we should see withdrawal symptoms by around six months
 
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How long will it take before I can trip on lsd again... I'm guessing invega sustanna blocks the effects seeing as it's an antipsychotic.

But I can't seem to find any info on it blocking weed's effects.
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I agree the limited nature of the information is a huge problem, that's why I'm running an experiment on myself, dosing myself with the most potent psychedelic in my area every few weeks until I finally observe a trip with visual hallucinations. That's when I'll call it off and get an estimate on how long it takes. People have said 8 months, some say over a year as well. I remember being off abilify (5mg) pills for four days before I felt an intense psychedelic trip.

Speaking of which, I'm also on the abilify maintena shot, that fucker shot me up with 662 mg about two weeks before I got my invega shot. However, it seems that it's easier to able to trip again on abilify than on invega, I have noticed by a long shot.

Happy new year everybody. Shame my holidays are spent in bouts of invega induced depression.
 
@awesome31311 The problem with such information around the internet is that you never know what these people really take. Sometimes they are on other drugs and sometimes they have a long history of being drugged with psychotropics. Means the brain has been altered before the use of invega. And there are people that abuse all kinds of stuff before in their life and didn't take care of their health. There are many factors to consider in this. You can't put all in one pot. And you can never trust statistics that are made from companies that are based on profit. You know their goal is to make it look like their drug is very effective. They cheat on these statistics. And there's the question, what does a relapse mean? Some people (like me) didn't really have a psychosis, I just communicated with psychiatrist about my spiritual experiences and they used it against me. So whenever I start getting back to my normal self and experiences, I won't ever share them with people like that. So basically I would be one of them that haven't "relapsed" because I would never tell them anymore about what's happening with me. And there are a lot of people who are afraid of getting poisoned again and don't tell these people the truth about their experiences. So you can't really tell what's the truth. The truth is, you cannot find the answers to your questions out there, it's all about finding out for yourself. This forum is much more reliable based on recovery "statistics" than anything else you find out there. And everyone basically recovered in a different time span. There are just different factors that play a role in everyone's life and the question what other substances someone takes (meaning pharmacueticals and street drugs). I can tell you that I once had a really bad experience with a one time substance abuse. And my brain was indeed altered for a long time. But you know what, after I changed my diet, my lifestyle and the way i viewed things, how I think about myself and others, meaning spirituality and so on, I recovered from everything, because I really wanted it. Some people don't really consider a serious approach in these changes. Diet and meditation was key. Some people have said that they don't have the same experience meditation like they did before. I don't have it either, but I work with what I have right now. Looking back when I first started meditating in my life, it wasn't the same in the beginning either. But it started to change over time. Every aspect of my life started to change over time. Our problem is that we compare everything to how it was before. And I do too, I don't say that it's a bad thing, it's a good thing actually, because it gives us a goal of where we want to be. But the problem with that can sometimes be that it keeps us from focusing on the abilites and skills we have at the moment and working with them. It will all improve with. I have seen basically everyone recover in here. All you want to know is that the potential is there, that should be the reason to move on and do EVERYTHING in your power to get better. Be kind to yourself and trust in your own power.
 
And btw. after my one time substance abuse I also noticed a drastic change of my high of cannabis. But you know what I did? I told myself "if I have this effect from joints right now, I will keep smoking it and work with that" because it showed me what I felt inside and I used that to connect with myself and work on the problems I had and I was VERY successful with that. After some time had passed, my highs were even better than before, because of my attitude, because I healed wounds inside of me, because my body was cleaner and clear of bad stuff I ate and so on. Now ask yourself how many people really consider these changes?? Not a lot! If you want to be one of them, you can decide to be it. But trust me, if you really want something in your life and are willing to do anything for it, then the universe will keep throwing things at you. It will give you the tools to work with. You just have to ask for it. When I started my journey after my bad experience with the substance I took, I basically told God, I will do anything to change my situation, please show me the way. And the universe indeed showed me the way. Because I was looking for it. I was paying attention to it. So if you want to recover it's good to have an example, but in the end it's not about the fact if someone recovers something or not, it is more about which way are YOU going, what choices do YOU make in your life to recover. And I know people may say that you can't do much, you just have to wait. But that is not true. Since I started using a wild plant powder with a full spectrum of vitamins, minerals, enzymes, amino acids etc. and all the healing plants in it (being the most powerful "supplement" on earth) I started noticing some changes. My body starting to "wake up" and some processes starting to work. And I brought my diet to the next level ordering high quality fruits and veggies. But with the powder my body doesn't even ask for that much food, because it receives the basic nutrition from it. It took me 2 weeks for it to start kicking in. And I am not even promoting the powder (eventhough I recommend it to anyone, not only ppl in withdrawal). It's more about giving an example of asking for something and doing it. And I didn't stop taking it because I know that it's good for me. I hope that I can give you a perspective of how your recovery and your health are indeed in your hands. Wishing you the best!
 
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