Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2

[Gdvffh]

Well I'm just trying to figure out what went wrong with us. Fluoride is known to cause brain damage, and were consuming a drug that goes to the brain and contains fluoride. Also it seems the other antipsychotics don't cause the brain fog that risperidone and Invega causes, my belief is the problem was the fluoride.

 

[Koz26]

Well I'm just trying to figure out what went wrong with us. Fluoride is known to cause brain damage, and were consuming a drug that goes to the brain and contains fluoride. Also it seems the other antipsychotics don't cause the brain fog that risperidone and Invega causes, my belief is the problem was the fluoride.

I took Abilify for a few weeks and that caused really bad brain fog. I felt like I could barely sit up and stay awake long enough to eat dinner. I don't think Invega and risperidone are the only APs with this potential side effect.

 

[Gdvffh]

I agree with u, but did ability give u permanent effects and lack of pleasure like risperidone? Ability does not have fluoride but risperidone does. Online it's always these drugs ppl complain about. Sbilify gave u brain fog cause they antagonize receptors

 

[Koz26]

I agree with u, but did ability give u permanent effects and lack of pleasure like risperidone? Ability does not have fluoride but risperidone does. Online it's always these drugs ppl complain about. Sbilify gave u brain fog cause they antagonize receptors

I took oral risperidone too and it didn't give me any permanent effects. But I was only on it for like a week or two and I was on Abilify for 2-3 weeks. The Invega shot is the only AP that has seemed to cause lingering long-term effects. Either way, they all made me feel like a zombie while I was on them.

 

[Koz26]

@Gdvffh: fluoride could very well be part of the problem. it is contained in many of our natural drinking water systems but isn't dangerous to us in those amounts because the dose is so low. it is a practical solution of late held by cities that they add more to our water supply and there are many cities across the country putting this to a vote. why? how much is a lethal dose? a rather amusing anecdote... i know an old timer who grew up in a small town with a ton of fluoride naturally found in the water. he tried to have dental work done later in life and they quiet literally had to hammer his teeth out of his head instead of simply pulling them out because of the fusion and density of them. aside from hardening of the teeth and erosion of the enamel what other physical and mental problems do we find from too much fluoride? is there any negative interactions between fluoride and other chemicals produced by our bodies? what are the symptoms of fluoride poisoning? how does our body get rid of it?

@Koz26: almost every med i have taken has produced a brain fog even if it has been on the smallest and almost unnoticeable or imperceptible of levels. even some street drugs have done this. one could almost argue that any drug, med or chemical we put into our system can produce a unique effect on the clear consciousness of the brain, after all isn't that why some people use drugs recreationally? i too have had this brain fog and i noticed it more on the pill form than the injection form. i have always been hard pressed to come up with sufficient evidence but believe it has something to do with the binders. are there binders in the creatine or other supplements that you have used before in the past to help gain muscle? and from my understanding doesn't such supplements basically aid the body in absorption and efficiency of water and nutrients in helping to gain this muscle and use of energy while working out? specifically in the rebuilding of muscle after you tear it apart while working out, right? if so then this would be a chemical of sorts that is mostly for the body and i am sure that some of it does find itself making it's way to the brain. does this lil amount give you a rush from taking it? have you ever noticed any unusual feeling the next day from taking too much of it? we should probably be discussing this topic in private at another local. my apologies. i get so eager to learn things sometimes.

Lots of questions in that post lol. Mind narrowing it down a bit? I'm not really sure what you're asking haha.

 

[Gdvffh]

I took oral risperidone too and it didn't give me any permanent effects. But I was only on it for like a week or two and I was on Abilify for 2-3 weeks. The Invega shot is the only AP that has seemed to cause lingering long-term effects. Either way, they all made me feel like a zombie while I was on them.

Hi koz why were u on risperidone for 2-3 weeks? Why not longer/shorter? Also why on ability after? Were. Complaining about side effects or something? What is the time gap between u bein on these drugs? Why were u on Invega systems? I was on risperidone oral for 5 weeks b4 I decided to quit and it gave me permanent effects unfortunately.

 

[Koz26]

Hi koz why were u on risperidone for 2-3 weeks? Why not longer/shorter? Also why on ability after? Were. Complaining about side effects or something? What is the time gap between u bein on these drugs? Why were u on Invega systems? I was on risperidone oral for 5 weeks b4 I decided to quit and it gave me permanent effects unfortunately.

Well the risperidone I stopped taking because I didn't think I needed it. The risperidone never actually brought me out my psychosis. The Abilify was switched back to risperidone after two weeks because my PCP who I've seen for like a decade knew the drug was seriously fucking me up. I was a drooling zombie who could barely hold my head up. It was rough. But within a couple days of switching meds I had another manic episode and that led to the hospitalization where I got the Invega shot.

Let me me break it down like this. I had three separate hospitalizations between August 15th and October 2nd of 2015. The first hospitalization was when the docs put me on risperidone and it didn't work. But they let me out of the hospital because they thought I was okay since in my manic states I'm usually very nice and friendly towards people. Nobody could seem to tell I was still delusional. But when I got out of the hospital I started having visual hallucinations, which led to another hospitalization where they put me on Abilify. After two weeks in the hospital they let me out. I met with my PCP a week later and she could tell there was something seriously wrong with me due to the Abilify, so she decided to override my pdoc's orders and switched me back to risperidone. Within a few days of the switch I became manic once again and then got hospitalized and received a mega dose of poison from the Devils syringe.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

And btw, my post about leaving the forum had nothing to do with you. It had to do with a certain someone talking about mass murdering people. Not trying to get caught in a negative feedback loop when I'm still battling suicidal thoughts on a daily basis. I think it's good that you're doing your own research to try and figure out a solution to all of our problems caused by Invega. Or at least find an explanation for it.

I've been doing some research myself. My depression has been so severe, for so long, that I actually decided to conduct some research with steroids on SWIM. SWIM also got the Invega shot, same dose as me, and went from being very happy and physically fit to chubby and depressed. I wanted to see if the steroids could improve his physical health and maybe even his mental health. So, for the last three weeks SWIM has been supplementing dianabol and testosterone. Surprisingly, SWIM appears to be experiencing a lot of euphoria and motivation from the use of dianabol and testosterone these last 3 weeks. His mood has also improved dramatically, along with his physical condition.

He went from a chubby 195lb, somewhat physically unhealthy individual, to a 204lb, pretty ripped guy with a decent core instead of a gut. SWIM worked out naturally for a month before beginning this research experiment as well. So his physical transformation did not occur in just 3 weeks. It happened over the course of 7 weeks.

But SWIM remains depressed because he knows that 1) He shouldn't be using steroids...and 2) You can't stay on them forever, so all the happiness and euphoria he is experiencing from the dianabol and testosterone supplementation will eventually fade.

SWIM has very mixed feelings about the use of anabolic steroids. He competed in martial arts for 6 years, completely natural, prior to this research experiment. But Invega stopped him from being able to compete in martial arts for a long time and the depression/suicidal ideations became too overwhelming....and at least while SWIM is on the juice, he doesn't seem nearly as suicidal as he was before. He says he'd do nearly anything to get rid of the suicidal ideations brought on by the Invega. And steroids was one of them.

And if SWIM becomes suicidal again when he comes off the juice....well then at least he'll Be in much better physical shape, even if his mental health isn't great. He told me that even though he knows what he is doing is wrong, it's still nice to know that there is something out there that is capable of making him feel like a happy and motivated human being again. Even if it's only for a short while...

 

[Koz26]

@Koz26: i got a lil off track i admit. sometimes we get super excited on this thread and i end up getting swept along with it. do you feel any type of fatigue with interactions from medications and any supplements you might take for working out?

Check the post I wrote for GDVFF. I answered your questions in there.

 

[Gdvffh]

Were doing drugs which.made u manic like weed? Maybe the steroids made u manic? U were smart enough to stop taking risperidone, I just kept taking it. I agree with u that risperidone didn't bring me out of my psychosis as well. My psychosis disappeared but I think it disappeared naturally from stopping with the weed as opposed to from the risperidone doing anything. I don't believe antipsychotics make ppl non antipsychotic. It just dulls the mind so they don't go acting crazy as opposed to attacking the psychosis

 

[Koz26]

Were doing drugs which.made u manic like weed? Maybe the steroids made u manic? U were smart enough to stop taking risperidone, I just kept taking it. I agree with u that risperidone didn't bring me out of my psychosis as well. My psychosis disappeared but I think it disappeared naturally from stopping with the weed as opposed to from the risperidone doing anything. I don't believe antipsychotics make ppl non antipsychotic. It just dulls the mind so they don't go acting crazy as opposed to attacking the psychosis

I was on Adderall, Xanax (both prescribed) and caffeine pills. So that could very well have caused my manic episode. But there is a pretty good chance I am actually Bipolar type 1 as well because I've been battling extreme mood swings my entire life. I think the two just exacerbated the mania. I had a psychotic depressive episode when I was 19 and I was completely clean of all drugs at that time. I was at Fort Benning for BCT so there's noooo way I could've been on any drugs.

I dont think it was a smart move for me to stop taking the risperidone. I could've really gotten hurt when I was manic. I was walking the streets with my mma gloves on looking for gang members that I thought were holding my best friend hostage. My best friend died in September of 2013, btw. I have a tattoo in his memory on my chest and everything.

I ended up in a situation where I was surrounded by five gang bangers and luckily I didn't get shot, stabbed or beat up because they thought I was an undercover cop. 5'9 relatively muscular white guy with short hair=cop in the ghettos of Pittsburgh. They kept asking me what section of the FBI I was in and what I was looking for. To me it was kinda funny at the time since I was manic. But in retrospect I realize it was a really bad situation I had put myself in because I wasn't thinking straight. I like to think that as a pro martial artist who has been training for 8 years that I can defend myself pretty well. But you can't parry a bullet like you can parry a punch. And I also know I wouldn't have been able to beat up 5 people at once even if no weapons were involved. It's just unrealistic.

Anyway...my point is I probably should've stayed on Risperidone until my psychosis went away. I'm lucky I didn't get hurt or hurt someone else. Also, if I dealt with my manic episode properly the first time around, I probably never would've have gotten shot up with Invega and I would still be in school, have my job and be competing in mma. But ya live and learn I suppose. Being manic sure felt amazing at the time though.

 

[Gdvffh]

I was on Adderall, Xanax (both prescribed) and caffeine pills. So that could very well have caused my manic episode. But there is a pretty good chance I am actually Bipolar type 1 as well because I've been battling extreme mood swings my entire life. I think the two just exacerbated the mania. I had a psychotic depressive episode when I was 19 and I was completely clean of all drugs at that time. I was at Fort Benning for BCT so there's noooo way I could've been on any drugs.

I dont think it was a smart move for me to stop taking the risperidone. I could've really gotten hurt when I was manic. I was walking the streets with my mma gloves on looking for gang members that I thought were holding my best friend hostage. My best friend died in September of 2013, btw. I have a tattoo in his memory on my chest and everything.

I ended up in a situation where I was surrounded by five gang bangers and luckily I didn't get shot, stabbed or beat up because they thought I was an undercover cop. 5'9 relatively muscular white guy with short hair=cop in the ghettos of Pittsburgh. They kept asking me what section of the FBI I was in and what I was looking for. To me it was kinda funny at the time since I was manic. But in retrospect I realize it was a really bad situation I had put myself in because I wasn't thinking straight. I like to think that as a pro martial artist who has been training for 8 years that I can defend myself pretty well. But you can't parry a bullet like you can parry a punch. And I also know I wouldn't have been able to beat up 5 people at once even if no weapons were involved. It's just unrealistic.

Anyway...my point is I probably should've stayed on Risperidone until my psychosis went away. I'm lucky I didn't get hurt or hurt someone else. Also, if I dealt with my manic episode properly the first time around, I probably never would've have gotten shot up with Invega and I would still be in school, have my job and be competing in mma. But ya live and learn I suppose. Being manic sure felt amazing at the time though.

U do realize that risperidone and the Invega is the same drug right? If you stayed on risperidone u would've been in same situation u r in now.... Dude I was.on risperidone oral and I'm as fucked up as u. If only I stopped taking g risperidone I may have saved my life....

 

[Koz26]

@GDVFFH

I know that palperidone is the main active metabolite in risperidone. You're life isn't over, although I know sometimes it feels like it. I have more faith that the effects of oral APs will wear off sooner than the injectables.

 

[Spiralspider]

I guess oral paliperidone it clears out of your system much faster than the injection. According to my experience only one day you dont take the pill it affects you in the moment, and in 5 days the substance starts to wear out but the dulling effects remain for 2 months or so.. I dont know if everyone wether takes oral or injection makes a full recovery but some do. Paliperidone affects your emotions making them disappear and thats a cause for people go nuts in these because it seems permanent and of course the frustration with injections is bigger because its a long time even if you take a single shot. My thing is if it doesn't cure psychosis maybe I shall have to take it for life, because as it calms the head it is more manageable to live with.
Peace

 

[paranoid android]

Well I'm just trying to figure out what went wrong with us. Fluoride is known to cause brain damage, and were consuming a drug that goes to the brain and contains fluoride. Also it seems the other antipsychotics don't cause the brain fog that risperidone and Invega causes, my belief is the problem was the fluoride.

It does not contain fluoride. While it may be made up of a fluoride molecule this is by no means the same thing as actually containing fluoride. Also the fluoride conspiracy shit is something straight out of Dr.Strangelove and has little to to no basis in reality

 

[Gdvffh]

Toothpaste is made up of flouride, toothpaste makes our teeth white. How does it make the teeth white? It kills the bacteria on the teeth which is why the teeth are yellow. If you swallow toothpaste they say u need to.emergency room. It contains s flouride molecule, which is a toxic chemical, and this chemical goes inside the brain attaching to the receptors. This does not sound safe from a scientific point of view

 

[Joey2358]

Has anyone been off Invega Sustenna for 343 to 393 days? I heard from Janssens that that's how long it takes to fully leave the system..... Also, to those that been off the drug for 10 months, do you feel a difference. Does month 6 feel different than month 10.... I want to fully heal and be able to run. I want to be able to get a natural erection again and be able to feel emotions... It's my 4 month off it and the only emotion I feel is anger at the people who injected me.

 

[Bad Robot]

Has anyone been off Invega Sustenna for 343 to 393 days? I heard from Janssens that that's how long it takes to fully leave the system..... Also, to those that been off the drug for 10 months, do you feel a difference. Does month 6 feel different than month 10.... I want to fully heal and be able to run. I want to be able to get a natural erection again and be able to feel emotions... It's my 4 month off it and the only emotion I feel is anger at the people who injected me.

At 10 months you'll be exercising, your through the worst of it, try just to chill out for the next 3 months, at month 7 you start to see light at the end of the tunnel

 

[Bad Robot]

Not far off v3
Keep battling the poison people, you do recover

 

[Koz26]

Has anyone ever experienced another psychosis after receiving the Invega shot?

Or do you know of anyone who has received a shot of Invega and then experienced another psychosis at some point in the future? Even if it was years down the road.

I'm trying to do some research to figure out if Invega causes some sort of permanent neurological alterations to the brain which permanently prevents individuals from achieving the necessary levels of neurotransmitters required to induce a psychotic state. If so, then that would mean I might not have to remain on a mood stabilizer. I have no issues with being on a mood stabilizer for the rest of my life if that's what I have to do to never experience a psychosis again...but they come with a ton of side effects, at least for me. Hair loss, weight gain, lethargy/fatigue, and the list goes on. So I'd like to find an answer to this question so I know if it's safe to come off my mood stabilizer. I know my Psychiatrist will never go for it cause he insists the Invega was out of my system completely after 3 weeks and has no long-term effects. And my Primary care physician has absolutely zero background knowledge on Invega. When I told her I was put on it in the hospital, she told me that she had never even heard of Invega Sustenna before. This is sad for multiple reasons, but mainly because she is one doctor who actually listens to what I have to say and we have a good relationship. If there was one doctor that would do everything they could to help me, it would be her.

Anyway, up to this point I haven't found one piece of research literature or anecdotal evidence which states that a user experienced another psychosis even after receiving a shot of Invega Sustenna up to this point. Has anyone else heard of this occurring?

Any input people could offer would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Tina3000]

I am over year off this injection and i havent recovered a bit... the drug may be out of my system but the side effects arent...today a pharamacist told me that side effects are a different thing that the injection itself.... ((((...... i suffer from crying attacks, body pain and death fears...its hell..it may never go away...my life is over