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Phenethylamines [Combo Thread] Mescaline & MDMA

e1evene1even said:
This is a wide misconception. I think it comes from people confusing mescal beans (Sophora secundiflora) with mescaline but I can't say for sure.
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I have found mescaline (well, san pedro and peruvian torch teas) to last far longer than lsd. I will never touch Sophora secundiflora, way too toxic for my tastes, I like plants that most likely wont kill me. It could be other alkaloids in the cactus causing competetive use of mao that extends the duration. I wish I could compare to mescaline in its pure form, but I havent been blessed enough to encouter it and any cacti extractions I have done will pull most (if not all the different alkaloids, not just mescaline. I have never had a mescaline trip last less than about 8 hours (and thats at a threshold dose:\) with higher doses pushing the 20 hour mark from a single administration.
 
nuke said:
Not for me, mescaline's lasted a little longer than LSD for me (8-10 hours for LSD and 10-14 for mescaline)
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Is that for pure mescaline, or from a tricho cactus??
 
I actually just posted about this in ecstasy discussion...but anyway, I thought "cactus flipping" was an appropriate name. I tried this combo with good results. I ate both together and had a warm, colorful trip/roll that lasted about 8 hours. No nausea to speak of. I would do it again for sure.
 
^ i feel 'cactus flipping' is appropriate as well, its much more profound of a name indeed. sounds like a good time though, i've done mescaline 3 times, and i'd have to say that ecstacy would make a good combo to it, considering the only thing i didnt like about mescaline was my dis-attachment from myself, which ecstacy would seem to center.


i add that most people would like the dis-attachment from reality, which i understand ( i used do do psychs for that reason) but its not something i like these days.
 
I wish I could compare to mescaline in its pure form, but I havent been blessed enough to encouter it and any cacti extractions I have done will pull most (if not all the different alkaloids, not just mescaline. I have never had a mescaline trip last less than about 8 hours (and thats at a threshold dose) with higher doses pushing the 20 hour mark from a single administration.
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After recently trying a dose of synthetic mescaline (300mg of mescaline hydrochloride). I'd say that the total alkaloid extract lasts between a third to a half again longer than the pure alkaloid (the pure alkaloid was only marginally longer lasting than a comparable dose of LSD).

Def think the competetive inhibition due to the other PEA alkaloids is responsible; also slightly changes the feel as well (bit more nausea from the alkaloidal mix & also the alkaloidal mix feels a bit more stimulating)
 
I've done it a few times and I love it and highly recommend it also. The first time we had the mescaline (=~ 80g extracted peruvian torch) maybe 3 hours before eating the MDMA and then we went out to a club. I also noticed the MDMA effects seemed to last as long as the mescaline's once they started.

The second time we had a big party in our building and ate the same amount of mescaline but probably double the MDMA as last time and it was incredible. The body buzz was orgasmic, talking to people and touching them felt so great. Aside from the outstanding euphoria and genuine feeling of cosmic love I've gotta say I also felt completely sober. In the best way ever possible of course but it was very clear-headed, granted that I wanted it to be.

At the end of the party a few of us busted out the DMT and smoked massive doses. The synergy between those 3 drugs cannot even be put into words and honestly I am too stoned to describe it right now.
 
I have experience with both drugs, and I would never mix the two together. I would consider trying a combination of MDMA with either LSD or Psilocybin/Psilocin but never Mescaline.
 
^^^

For one, the physical side effects from Mescaline can be rough, and I like to experience the drug by itself.

Other than that, I can't imagine the two drugs being enjoyed together from a psychological perspective. They are like opposites to me and in some ways, the same. I guess they are too different and too much the same in some ways, and I just couldn't imagine using the two together.
 
I think it's pretty disrespectful to the plant, personaly.
The cactus is an ancient spirit guide, who holds unlimited potential, you need to add nothing to it. Adding a shallow chemical like MDMA to such a powerful experience seems like you're just out to get fucked up on drugs.

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I recently tried LSD and Mescaline. It was a great time. ^^^It didn't feel like it made the trip 'dirty' at all.
I think the combo would just unlock the potential that neither drug could do by itself. I don't think of MDMA as a 'shallow' chemical at all.
although i've yet to try mdma+mescaline from what i've heard is that you get a nice trip/roll for 12 or so hours.
I want to try it but I can't imagine butchering my cacti :\
 
While only having researched both individually, the combo has intrigued me for some time. I understand and empathize with those of you who feel that this combo is an abomination to the Mescaline, but I respectfully disagree that this combo does not have potential for positive healing.

In combination with many psycs., I believe that mdma acts as a seatbelt or comfort blanket, if you will. Perhaps having that comfort and lack of tension with something as powerful as Mescaline allows people to relax and explore the trip in a more profound manner.

That being said, I'd suggest the other "holy grail" of combos if your seeking something for a night out: 2c-b and mdma.
Mdma taken first at perhaps 1/2 - 3/4 of your normal dose, followed by 3/4 to a full dose of the 2c-b just as the mdma begins to subside. (approx. 4-6 hours after injesting the E) If timed properly, this can give you a truly unique, colorful, empathetic experience that lasts a convenient amount of time for a concert or event. (Total time from start to finish would be anywhere from 8-12 hours, versus a guess of 18+ hours with the cactusflip combo.) One of my fondest experiences doing this was actually at a fun dance club; I remember everything suddenly slowing down for a moment and then BAM!, everything snapped into total clarity and the whole world began to sparkle. I felt like I was seeing everything for the first time.
 
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Red Earth said:
I think it's pretty disrespectful to the plant, personaly.
The cactus is an ancient spirit guide, who holds unlimited potential, you need to add nothing to it. Adding a shallow chemical like MDMA to such a powerful experience seems like you're just out to get fucked up on drugs.

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shallow? have you even done mdma? because it is one of the most profound experiences there is to have. im offended by that statment lol i dont get offended often! you hit a nerve though buddy! mdma isn't about just 'getting fucked up on drugs' if it is to you, then maybe you need to re-evaluate mdma, it can have just a profound experience as 10 hits of acid if used correctly.
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shallow..pfft
 
C'mon , play nicely! =D

Both psychedelics and MDMA (& other entactogens) can both have profound effects on a person's psyche, just in different ways; LSD (& other psychedelics) is a psychedelic of cognative processes and MDMA is a psychedelic of the emotions.

Just depends what you're looking for...
 
^ the profoundness of an experience has NOTHING to do with what combo you have. drugs are tools, and can be used any way you want them to be. many people have expressed how great they think this combo is. you can't even compare combo's to each other, experiences are experiences. of course it woulnd't have the chemistry of mdma and lsd...its not mdma and lsd. but why would you eat mescaline and mdma to get the same effects?
 
the profoundness of an experience has NOTHING to do with what combo you have
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Not entirely true as different combos will activate different receptors to varying degrees, which is obviously going to influence the subjective experience (which is why mescaline or any other phenethylamine is never going to replicate the effects of a tryptamine or ergoline). That said, the vast majority is due to the psychological aspects, which are unique to each individual (as an analogy, you can have two cars, one with a deisel engine, one with a petrol engine, but when it comes down to racing thewm the most important factor is the skill of the driver - the different engines only have a small effect on the overall performace of driver & car in the race)
 
^^^ I've found that the tea was/is much rougher on my stomach than dried, powdered san pedro skin in gel caps. As far as mdma, I'd just plug it, if it bothered my stomach that much.

I plan on doing this combo (although i refuse to call it "loveflipping") and I think it'll be a great time. I don't think this is disrespecting the plant. Has everyone who is hating on it read some of the trip reports? There are alot of 'glowing' experiences.

I think everyone should stop arguing about disrespecting the plant and find a better name than "loveflipping".
 
dankstersauce said:
^^^ I've found that the tea was/is much rougher on my stomach than dried, powdered san pedro skin in gel caps. As far as mdma, I'd just plug it, if it bothered my stomach that much.

I plan on doing this combo (although i refuse to call it "loveflipping") and I think it'll be a great time. I don't think this is disrespecting the plant. Has everyone who is hating on it read some of the trip reports? There are alot of 'glowing' experiences.

I think everyone should stop arguing about disrespecting the plant and find a better name than "loveflipping".
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oh no doubt it would be a great time i am sure of it


it'd be an interesting combo - speaking of the powdered cactus which is what I always used I should of been smart enough to have used gel caps, I have never in my life tasted something so fucking gross



the taste of poppy tea is cake to that shit


dogshit probably taste better
 
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