Lysergamides [Combo Thread] LSD & MDMA: the Candyflip

[humblegro]

300mics lsd and 94mg mdma at the 4-hour mark will do the trick

Where did this calculation come from friend? I plan to do my first candyflip soon and have been researching the subject.

 

[Nephtys]

Where did this calculation come from friend? I plan to do my first candyflip soon and have been researching the subject.

I tripped roughly 14 times over the last 1.5 years. Last month I've been tripping every week. I started upping my dosage.
I think 300 mics will get me a nice trip with the little mental tolerance I builded last month.
For the mdma I use the 1.5mg/kg rule.
But I'm still researching my dosage.
I once did 300mics lsd and 150mg 4-fa. The acid caused a lot of confusion, but at the 4-hour mark I dropped the 4-fa, it was the best experience of my life till now

Wat is your thought on dosage?

 

[humblegro]

I think I am gonna go with 4 hits I estimate to be 50ug each. Then 2 hours in take 160 mg mdma. I have been tripping alot recently also and I find my tolerence is building. This saturday I took 2.5 hits and tripped a +2. I want to be raging on NYE. About a month ago took 3 of the same hits and was tripping hard. I know that 160mg is a high dose for mdma with lsd but I want to really "go there" if that makes sense.

 

[Nephtys]

I really recommend dropping the mdma 4 hours after the lsd. My research has learned me that it is the best timing for candyflipping.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

I have candyflipped quite a lot within the last year. It's pretty much all I've ever done when I tripped since last new years. I've experimented with doing the LSD first, the MDMA first, and doing them both at the same time.

At the present time, my stance on candyflipping is that I don't really like it anymore. I prefer doing LSD by itself, and MDMA by itself. Reason being - it's too fucking intense. If you take the MDMA first, and then do acid a couple hours after, the MDMA potentiates the living shit out out of the LSD, and I found it's too confusing. Sometimes the strength of the LSD overrides the euphoria from the MDMA and you're just left all jumbled up.

Doing the MDMA after the LSD is the way to go, however I didn't always have awesome results doing this either. Doing it this way, the acid trip is left to develop unadultered for several hours, and then once the MDMA gets added, everything becomes warmer and the acid gets a little boost. However, while not as confusing as pre-loading with MDMA, I find this method takes away from the LSD trip kind of. LSD is just such a great drug on it's own, I don't very much like adding such a pushy drug as MDMA halfway through my acid trip. I find I kind of get so fucked up that I'm just too sloppy to get anything out of the trip, and I'm tripping too hard to really indulge in the social nature of the MDMA.

Doing them both at the same time is the worst. The come up is confusing as fuck, and once both drugs are peaking, I can't tell what is what, since it seems to just all blur together into one big fucked up hedonistic drug haze. It's like too much all going on at once and each drug almost cancels out the other drugs more favorable qualities. You're still really fucked up, but that's all you are.

I know different strokes for different folks, and you may all have different dosing strategies for candyflipping. In conclusion, I would say LSD has better euphoria than MDMA anyways. Instead of candyflipping, I would just rather take extra acid. But if I am going to take MDMA, my favorite time to do it is after the LSD peak has run it's course and i'm not tripping soooo hard, 4-6 hours into the acid sometime.

 

[Nephtys]

This is a guide on candyflipping I found, the best around the world. All credits go to Dr. Anonymous (MDMA.net)

How can I possibly describe how candyflipping has enhanced my life over the years? No words would be sufficient. Done properly, a candyflip captures all the profound wonder of LSD, coupled with the confidence, poise, and spiritual opening of MDMA. It is a truly a wonderful gift, but allow me to warn you ahead of time that it's pretty difficult to do right, and requires a lot of planning and forethought, even more than acid does by itself.

Normally one should never try to combine two drugs, especially two as powerful as acid and E. Candyflipping doesn't just refer to the combination of the two; it refer to using them in a staggered method that produces an entirely unique effect that is unlike either of the drugs by themselves. So first of all, never take acid and E at the same time, or even within an hour or two of each other! This will produce a sort of drunken intoxication which you might find fun (or you might find unpleasant, like me), but in either case it does not qualify as candyflipping.

Candyflipping requires that the relative "peak" times of the two drugs (from the 1hr mark to the 3hr mark with E, and from the 1hr mark to the 4h mark with acid) do not overlap. You can theoretically do it in either order, but I (and friends of mine) have always done it with acid first, E later. The most important thing to know, that I have deduced by careful (and sometimes unpleasant) experimentation:

Take your E exactly four (4) hours after taking your acid!

Why is this so important?

Well, if you take your E early (like say, after 3 hours) your acid peak won't be done yet, and the drugs end up sort of fighting for control of your brain. This is not a very fun sensation; you end up feeling lethargic and sort of light-headed. You may come out of it after an hour or two, but you will have missed the "candyflip" and will be just left feeling like you took a lot of drugs, and sometimes slightly spacey depending on the person. (Editor's Note: Not everyone agrees about this; one person sent a comment saying that they don't get much effect doing it this way, but they have a "brilliant" time when they take a low dose of MDMA about 45 minutes before ingesting LSD.)

If you take the E late (say, after 5 hours) you'll get a similar effect as taking your E too early, but probably not as strong. After 45 minutes or so it will clear up and you'll find that you're just rolling from the E, and it's not much like you took two drugs at all, more that you just took one after the other.

Another important thing is dosage. Taking less acid causes it to come on more slowly, and as a result taking your E at the four hour mark may actually be too early. Taking a lot of acid works great as long as you can handle it but in this case you may want to take your E slightly earlier, say at T+3:45. Generally I just recommend a normal dose, 3 hits of standard blotter paper, but again there's nothing wrong with more as long as you can handle it.

With E, you probably want to take a minimal dosage, or else it will just overpower the acid and you'll be rolling (not a bad thing, but you'll miss out on the candyflip). If you have a batch of pills and you normally take 1.5 pills to roll, then probably try either 1.5 or 1 pill. In a nutshell, it's better to err slightly on the side of a low dose than on the side of high.

The Candyflip Effect

I like candyflipping all around better than any other drug (or drug combination) because in many ways it is very close to being sober as far as your mental state, but it allows you to access all the really excellent effects of acid (music sounds great, sense of profoundness, insightfulness) and E (poise, confidence, self-love and love for others) without the downsides (the "confusion" and scariness of acid, the running-around-hugging-everyone effect of E).

The candyflip moment, as I think of it, is about half an hour after you take your E. The acid confusion seems to lift off of you like a heavy fog suddenly dissipating. The room suddenly seems more open (this is very dramatic if you're someplace with a high ceiling). You are suddenly instilled with a sense wonder and awe at the amazing things our world has to offer, a feeling that you have power over your own destiny, and a sense of purpose to do the things that are important to you. And there is an incredible feeling that something profound and important is about to happen.

Watching someone who is in the midst of a successful candyflip is pretty cool, too. Their entire demeanor gains a perfect confidence, without the slightest hint of arrogance. Their skin seems to glow. The eyes are probably the most dramatic: they grow wide and bright, like those of a child, but wiser.

My favorite candyflip activity is looking at a powerful laser and listening to really good trance coming out of big speakers, but that's just me.

Health Stuff

I guess I should mention this since it's going onto this website. Basically, candyflipping is one of the more rigorous drug experiences you can have, especially if you do it at a party. The entire thing lasts a really long time (9 or 10 hours total) and you expend a lot of resources. I make sure to sleep in super late the day before I am going to make a candyflip, and dose myself with lots of vitamins in the previous week. Then I make sure I don't have anything making demands on my time in the next day or two following the candyflip so that I can sleep as much as I need (which usually isn't all that much, but sometimes it is).

So, to summarize - this is a really awesome experience that I would recommend to anyone. Just be sure that you are prepared (both mentally and physically), have a good setting to do it in, have your drugs pretested and in proper dosages. By "pretested" I don't just mean that you've done the EZ-Test on them, I mean that you have tried them before in a controlled environment so that you're not only sure of what they are, but how much you should take. You also should not attempt it until you are fairly familiar with both LSD and MDMA (like, you've used each at least four or five times). And don't forget: four hours! Use a stopwatch so that you do not mistake the proper time to take your E.

 

[headfuck123]

iv candyflipped about 5 times. the first time i was on mdma and wasnt planning on taking any acid but i did about 2 hours into the mdma and kept topping up with smaller doeses of mdma and this was quite successful but i had some difficult stages during the trip.

the next time i tripped on acid for about 5 hours then dropped an mdma pill and didnt really feel much from the mdma, i just felt kind of awkward for a few hours.

the bets time was a solo trip when i took about 60mg of mdma along with about 100ug of acid. i barely felt the mdma but it gave me a slight mood lift which shifted my acid trip into a wonderful postive, colourful and introspective trip. so thats why i would decide to take them both together but some people may not be able to handle to comeup of both at once so it completely depends on the person and the set/setting!

 

[kingme]

having just returned from my first candyflip experience, i must say, it is a wonderful one....
i took the mdma (60mg) about 5h into the lsd trip and it gave it a nice mood lift and kind of infused warmth and love into the trip... that said, the set and setting couldnt have been better anyway....

i do have a question regading a weird side effect. at the end of the trip, and even the day after, in low light conditions, i would get these light flickers, as if someone was playing with the light switch, or as if my eyes couldnt figure out if they should work for low or high light conditions... these flickers would only last a couple of moments and wouldnt really deter from any activity, just curious if anyone else has had them.... (this effect only appeared during this trip, and i have lots of psychdelic and empathogen trips under my belt, but this was my first candyflip)

 

[HillsofFoot]

having just returned from my first candyflip experience, i must say, it is a wonderful one....
i took the mdma (60mg) about 5h into the lsd trip and it gave it a nice mood lift and kind of infused warmth and love into the trip... that said, the set and setting couldnt have been better anyway....

i do have a question regading a weird side effect. at the end of the trip, and even the day after, in low light conditions, i would get these light flickers, as if someone was playing with the light switch, or as if my eyes couldnt figure out if they should work for low or high light conditions... these flickers would only last a couple of moments and wouldnt really deter from any activity, just curious if anyone else has had them.... (this effect only appeared during this trip, and i have lots of psychdelic and empathogen trips under my belt, but this was my first candyflip)

Just flipped on NYE, I had this effect coming down all night, and early in the morning when I woke up. I went to bed at about 5 am and woke up around 7 and then 10, at 7 there was this pulsing, wavelength-like light play going on with the little bit of light entering my room through the window. I was happening very strongly at 5, and noticeably weaker at 7.

Anyway, LSD was first. then MDMA 3.5 hours later. I could not have dropped at a better time, the synergy was so obviously powerful - I sat and enjoyed the CEV's, which were absolutely insane, with an enormous grin on my face. Basically the MDMA made me enjoy everything the LSD was doing 200% more, it feels like a super-euphoric visual acid trip with MDMA headspace.

 

[tannypack101]

Candyflipping, first time for friend...

So the infamous Saturday is soon to be here. What started out to be just rolling at Mindelixer: Basschurch Asheville edition (fucking raw set), to now candyflipping has come to surface.

Me and my drug noob friend are going to attend. Ive tripped acid 4 times, shrooms 2 times, rolled twice, plus everyother drug that comes to mind..........but my friend has only tripped shrooms with me once plus weed and drinking etc.

He kind of knows what to expect, but he doesn't at the same time.

We would drop 1.5 hits of cid @ about 30min before show then and hour in drop 250mg of pure mdma.

Yes crazy fucking night.

I know i can handle it but do you think my friend can?

i don't want him climbing the rafters or some shit.

From what I know of him (were pretty good friends) I think he can handle it, but ive been wrong before.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

I don't know about somebody taking two very diff and potently mind-altering chems at once, if they have no exp with either of them....

Let him have an acid trip first...! Don't muddy his experiential water with throwin mdma in there...my 2¢

 

[delta_9]

From what I know of him (were pretty good friends) I think he can handle it, but ive been wrong before.

If you know him well, and we don't know him at all, why are you asking our advice? 8( This dosen't seem a bit backwards to you?

But seriously, I would agree with the above poster ^^. If this person is not familiar with the candyflip combo, just one or the other will probably be more than enough. I'm quite sure he wont compain

A side note - 250mg is far too much for a first timer IMO. Although I don't use MDMA anymore, I would rarely go over 125mg and I'm very familiar with MD** compounds.

 

[tannypack101]

Just a 2nd opinion. Something might come thru my head if i get somone elses thoughts. Im thinking 2 hrs on the cid till hes near peak and ask him hows he feelin.

 

[kingme]

isnt this verging on a what should i take thread? im surprised the mods havent picked up a little on this.

my opinion: let your friend be, maybe he should jsut roll. imho, the mdma doses you are planning are way to high for a flip, especially for him as a relative beginner.

also, you give no indication of your familiarity to the combo yourself....

just dont expect to be able to handle it. its hard neough guessing about yourself and your own reactions, let alone taking a guess about your friend.

id be a bit weary and cautious. go with low doses if you have to, otherwise the acid might be just right on its own.

best of luck

 

[delta_9]

isnt this verging on a what should i take thread? im surprised the mods havent picked up a little on this.

Lol this thread's barely been alive for an hour. The mods aren't that good
Besides, this seems completely in the spirit of harm reduction.

 

[Nephtys]

Candyflipping is one of the most beautiful things you can experience (if done right )
The key to a successful candyflip is the timing: start with lsd and at T+4 drop the mdma.
How strong are your hits in terms of microgram???
I suggest you lower your mdma dose. Candyflip is rather intense...
You can always drop more mdma...

I think your friend has to wait, candyflipping is intense and can be frightening for 'beginners'.

 

[BottleOfOxy]

I was gonna say some other shit but everyone covered everything other than this: If that molly is any good you're gonna beee ROOOOLLLLLINGNGNGNGGGGGG BALLLLLLLLZZZZZZZ! hahah but for realll!

 

[defn]

I would have your friend pick one or the other.
I'm pretty sure you could handle it, but I surely couldn't have handled a candy flip after only trying mushrooms once.
His mind will be blown with either 1.5 tabs or probably just 100+75 mg MDMA These are assuming you have decent quality.

Less chems are probably safer for a beginner in a public circumstance.
I've seen some wicked bad reactions from 1.5 tabs of lsd on a person before. (anxiety, scared, ect)

 

[tannypack101]

some dankass acid and .5 of pure mdma, not sure exact dose on acid. is taking the x 4hours after dropping acid necessary? seems rather long to me. and for my friend i think ill split him up his .25 dose into 2 drops.

he says hes ready, and i believe him. prolly most excited ive ever seen someone, if not i got my rx kpins with me

 

[humblegro]

well, I just did a candyflip recently, and I did 3 hits good L and 160mg mdma. My partners was on the same deal. The comeup on the mdma was harsh for one female. We dropped the mdma 2.5 hrs in. It was awesome for me, but we all fasted that day. Female subject vomitted on comeup. It was a 40 minute ordeal, but all were golden by 3.5 hrs in. I would start low for buddies. This was an intense experience that you need some context with these substances to appreciate.