Lysergamides [Combo Thread] LSD & MDMA: the Candyflip

[3rd_I_blind]

what would be good starting doses of 2c-i and mdma for someone that's never candyflipped before? I've heard these chemicals have good synergy, anyone with experience want to share some input?

Have you done 2C-I before? If so, what is your usual dosage?
What is your usual dosage of MDMA? Is this MDMA of tested purity? If not, what are your own feelings regarding the purity?

 

[killermunchies]

what would be good starting doses of 2c-i and mdma for someone that's never candyflipped before? I've heard these chemicals have good synergy, anyone with experience want to share some input?

I've only combined 2C-I with MDAI so this could be a little off. But as far as the 2C-I goes, I would go on the lighter side for this combo. 15-16 mg seems to work well. As far as the MDMA goes, I would use a moderate dose for the first time around and dose 2 hours after the 2C-I. You don't want to be coming down off of MDMA and still be tripping hard. It might also be a good idea to take 2/3 of your MDMA dose at first and then take the last 1/3 and hour or so later.

 

[Tranced]

I noticed that the candyflip visuals were different than acid visuals. Acid visuals seem to flow off into the edge of infinity, while my visuals on the combination were sharply edged and vibratory. Everything seemed charged with emotion and meaning. The full moon hanging in the sky was wreathed in colored halos that swirled about it in a most meaningful way. I felt as good as I ever have.

I got up and danced some more. Again it was just incredible. Previous to this experience I liked LSD best as a dance drug, but I think the combination of acid and X has it beat. Every movement I made seemed right, and I was just feeding off the energy of the others dancing around me. Everyone I made eye contact with smiled and I smiled back. Someone accidentally kicked me while performing a break dancing maneuver, but he quickly apologized to me. I impulsively hugged him and told him not to sweat it. The whole dance floor was alive with good feeling and trippy energy.

This quote from a trip report on erowid best sums up a candyflip for me.

Candyflips: cool.as.fuck.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

I realize this was a couple months ago but I'm just seeing it now

Ok so the opposite order (E first, LSD later):
You take the E first, peak off it, and right then you drop the acid. The acid kicks in pretty fast in this state of mind. The transition from the E trip to the acid trip is amazing to say the least... one of the most beautiful states of mind I have ever witnessed. Your acid trip is very very enjoyable because you are feeling good from the E. The visuals of LSD are amplified into something quite unlike pure LSD. As a great bonus, I find that somehow the negative "comedown" effects of E are more or less neutralized so you are smooth sailing. And since you drop the acid kind of after the E, your whole candyflip lasts a long ass time because the acid keeps your trip going and going like the energizer bunny %)

I agree with this

First MDMA, and after one or two ours, LSD -best feeling ever - best combination

 

[whataboutheforests]

Have you done 2C-I before? If so, what is your usual dosage?
What is your usual dosage of MDMA? Is this MDMA of tested purity? If not, what are your own feelings regarding the purity?

I haven't done 2c-i before but I have done acid before. I plan on taking the 2c-i seperately first of course. THe mdma i have, .3 has me rolling decently hard.

 

[3rd_I_blind]

I haven't done 2c-i before but I have done acid before. I plan on taking the 2c-i seperately first of course. THe mdma i have, .3 has me rolling decently hard.

Well then, unless 16-18 mg of 2C-I by itself has you going really hard or really slow, I suggest you start off with 16 mg 2C-I and add 150-200 mg MDMA about 3-4 hours after taking the 2C-I. This is mostly to prevent a harsh comedown that might be potentiated by the 2C-I, but will also serve to get comfortable on the 2C-I headspace before introducing MDMA.

If you have access to MDMC (bk-MDMA) you might consider giving this a try with 2C-I before doing the combo with MDMA, as most people I know of report a very positive experience when combining those two. In my experience, MDMC gives a clearer feeling and is less 'dominating' over the 2C-I, making it more of a synergy than a 'commensalism'.

 

[OzzBozz]

always take the LSD first on a candyflip and MDMA 2-3 hours after your intial digesting. I've tried just doing bumps of molly the entire time and it was overwhelmingly draining...

 

[SpecialK_]

I've experienced with LSD many a time and MDMA a fair few times (however not as much as acid). I plan to dose a good 170-180ug tab of acid followed by a pill containing around 170-180mg of MDMA. Normally this amount of MDMA at once would make me throw up, so I plan to do the standard of breaking the pill in half, as throwing up in acid is never fun.
I'm going to see Aphex Twin and The Chemical Brothers for my first candyflip at a festival. Is this likely to pan out well? Personally I'm a bit cautious, although I love Aphex Twin everyone knows how sinister he can come across on acid, would the candyflip eliminate this with the MDMAs positivity? I do however, love The Chemical Brothers, sober, tripping or wapped off my tree, so that is going to be one fantastic experience.
I'm hearing some train wreck stories about dosing a little too high, I'm already very comfortable with the amount of each substance on their own, however, I've never combined. People say to lessen the dose - is this really the best thing to do? For some reason I don't think 90ug of acid and 90mg of MDMA would hit the spot for me.
Both my chemicals will be of a high quality, so these should be fairly accurate in dose wise/ratio.

 

[arcadiaego]

I've experienced with LSD many a time and MDMA a fair few times (however not as much as acid). I plan to dose a good 170-180ug tab of acid followed by a pill containing around 170-180mg of MDMA. Normally this amount of MDMA at once would make me throw up, so I plan to do the standard of breaking the pill in half, as throwing up in acid is never fun.
I'm going to see Aphex Twin and The Chemical Brothers for my first candyflip at a festival. Is this likely to pan out well? Personally I'm a bit cautious, although I love Aphex Twin everyone knows how sinister he can come across on acid, would the candyflip eliminate this with the MDMAs positivity? I do however, love The Chemical Brothers, sober, tripping or wapped off my tree, so that is going to be one fantastic experience.
I'm hearing some train wreck stories about dosing a little too high, I'm already very comfortable with the amount of each substance on their own, however, I've never combined. People say to lessen the dose - is this really the best thing to do? For some reason I don't think 90ug of acid and 90mg of MDMA would hit the spot for me.
Both my chemicals will be of a high quality, so these should be fairly accurate in dose wise/ratio.

I think splitting the MDMA into two doses is a good idea. Like you, I have a tendency to throw up when I take that amount. A few years ago, before I had any respect for these chemicals, I would always eat too much. I never had a “bad” experience, but being “stuck” for a few hours at a show can definitely rattle your nerves. However, you’ll be at a festival so I am sure it wouldn’t be too hard to escape for a few moments to collect your thoughts. Personally, if I eat the MDMA too early I get this annoying “coming up too fast” feeling. The first few times this happened I was glad I had experience with both chemicals, which you do, so this shouldn’t be a problem. I do love my LSD though, so I tend to eat more of it than MDMA. I don’t see pressed pills often so after an initial measured dose I just dabble as needed. I agree that taking bumps as needed can be draining, but just know your limits. I think your planned dose of LSD is perfect. Also first post :D!

 

[fly-]

pills taken at the comedown of the acid is best in my opinion,gets you nice and messy just when it was all seeming so clear....

the other way around is very nasty in my opinion. otherwise you will comedown while tripping hard , from ultimate-joy-of-life to suicide monday, can be a very dangerous combo too.. definitely go easy on first time,this can be very overwhelming.

 

[Gerald92]

its interesting to see you guys discuss the "20 minutes of intense shit", because thats exactly what happened to me when i candyflipped. i was tripping pretty hard, but nothing too insane. then i popped an E pill (one of the strongest pills ive had, i took one of these by itself too a different time and rolled extremely hard). once the E hit me, i was waaayyy too fucked up. my visuals were super intense, and i remember getting the "how am i seeing this but others arent" feeling (one friend was tripping and one was rolling but neither were candyflipping). after like 20-30 minutes this subsided, and although it was still intense i was much more in control for the rest of the night.

 

[Folley]

I can't imagine how bad an experience someone could have if they "candy-flipped" on acid and dirty X-pills.

Speed+LSD+MDMA = worst hell/worst come-down and afterglow

I can imagine.

But if it's clean MDMA then I imagine soaring!

I once ate like 5 speed bombs, then like 3 hours after taking the first one I go to pick up some shrooms.
Long story short, I ended up eating 2 tabs and like a gram of VERY potent mushrooms later that night

It was AMAZING. By the time the pills wore off and I started eating mushies I noticed a slight "nagging" effect, it was like I knew I wasnt as happy as I was supposed to be. I still felt AMAZING though and it was probably my best trip yet

 

[Nephtys]

Candyflipping intensity

Hey,
When you candyflip (mdma exactly 4 hours after the acid), does the intensity increase when the mdma kicks in?
I'm only experienced with 150mg 4-fa 4 hours after 300mics lsd and it seemed to smooth all confusion from the lsd, also visuals were less.
Can I expect something like that or does the mdma make the trip more intense?
Some people like candyflipping all around better than both drugs apart, why is that?

 

[bluedolphin]

If you drop MDMA 4 hours into LSD.. do not expect it to smooth out confusion. MDMA+LSD is more confusing than LSD. Like "easy to lose your friends in crowds" kind of sloppy.

Whereas if you just took LSD you'd be fully aware of your surroudings. Or if you just took MDMA you'd be attached at the hip. Candyflipping definitely shortens the attention span. It probably won't do much to your visuals except maybe enhance colors a bit.

Honestly LSD is better on its own, and MDMA is better on its own. It's a sloppy combination that is only so commonly done because they are both easy to find drugs in certain scenes and circles.. and some people do like a sloppy psychedelic trip.

IMO save your serotonin.

 

[Jesusgreen]

This'll be merged with the subthread for this combination, but since you're new you have time to reply first.

Personally I haven't tried the combination but I'd expect it to get more intense - and see what happens, there's a chance it might change the headspace, but it's likely going to make things more hectic rather than calmer, as MDMA has some mild psychedelic properties of it's own.

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

Eh a 4 hour separation is probably too long to get the full synergism. I think you probably want to take the MDMA about 1 hour after the acid to get maximum madness.

It's all about what you like from your drugs really. If you want full-blown psychedelia and don't care if you possibly end up in a psychedelic stupor for at least an hour or two, then try it. If you don't like it when you, for example, "can't understand what's going on" or are too high to do much of anything except listen to the stereo that took you 10 minutes to turn on then don't try it.

 

[Nephtys]

I like the confusion of psychedelics: for example, last trip on 400ug lsd and 20mg 2c-e it took me 5min. to find towels so I could take a shower, I enjoyed every second of it
4 hours for synergy of both drugs did look too long, but I thought 300ug lsd would make it perfect.

I found this on another site:

I like candyflipping all around better than any other drug (or drug combination) because in many ways it is very close to being sober as far as your mental state, but it allows you to access all the really excellent effects of acid (music sounds great, sense of profoundness, insightfulness) and E (poise, confidence, self-love and love for others) without the downsides (the "confusion" and scariness of acid, the running-around-hugging-everyone effect of E).

The candyflip moment, as I think of it, is about half an hour after you take your E. The acid confusion seems to lift off of you like a heavy fog suddenly dissipating. The room suddenly seems more open (this is very dramatic if you're someplace with a high ceiling). You are suddenly instilled with a sense wonder and awe at the amazing things our world has to offer, a feeling that you have power over your own destiny, and a sense of purpose to do the things that are important to you. And there is an incredible feeling that something profound and important is about to happen.

Watching someone who is in the midst of a successful candyflip is pretty cool, too. Their entire demeanor gains a perfect confidence, without the slightest hint of arrogance. Their skin seems to glow. The eyes are probably the most dramatic: they grow wide and bright, like those of a child, but wiser.

PS: where can I find the thread where it'll be merged?

 

[Jakeperson]

Here

Next time use the search engine, or google. It's amazing what you can find

 

[Tranced]

If you drop MDMA 4 hours into LSD.. do not expect it to smooth out confusion. MDMA+LSD is more confusing than LSD. Like "easy to lose your friends in crowds" kind of sloppy.

Whereas if you just took LSD you'd be fully aware of your surroudings. Or if you just took MDMA you'd be attached at the hip. Candyflipping definitely shortens the attention span. It probably won't do much to your visuals except maybe enhance colors a bit.

Honestly LSD is better on its own, and MDMA is better on its own. It's a sloppy combination that is only so commonly done because they are both easy to find drugs in certain scenes and circles.. and some people do like a sloppy psychedelic trip.

IMO save your serotonin.

I completely disagree with this. If you candyflip properly, it should definitely 'smooth out the confusion'.

I think this is what a lot of people don't realise about the candyflip. If you stack your peaks then, yeah, expect lots of confusion. This method of 'candyflipping' is very visual & very confusing.

However, if you do a decent enough dose of LSD (you get out what you put in, IMO), then you should just be coming off the peak at that 4 hour mark. It is at this point that you take the MDMA and rather than things getting more messy, an absolutely perfect synergy begins to form. This is a candyflip. It's exactly what the name implies and it's completely different to stacking the peaks or doing either drug separately.

Nephtys, the quote you posted is a perfect summary of a candyflip, so I'll post it again. Thanks by the way, I've been looking for this quote for a long time (it's from MDMA.net).

I like candyflipping all around better than any other drug (or drug combination) because in many ways it is very close to being sober as far as your mental state, but it allows you to access all the really excellent effects of acid (music sounds great, sense of profoundness, insightfulness) and E (poise, confidence, self-love and love for others) without the downsides (the "confusion" and scariness of acid, the running-around-hugging-everyone effect of E).

The candyflip moment, as I think of it, is about half an hour after you take your E. The acid confusion seems to lift off of you like a heavy fog suddenly dissipating. The room suddenly seems more open (this is very dramatic if you're someplace with a high ceiling). You are suddenly instilled with a sense wonder and awe at the amazing things our world has to offer, a feeling that you have power over your own destiny, and a sense of purpose to do the things that are important to you. And there is an incredible feeling that something profound and important is about to happen.

Watching someone who is in the midst of a successful candyflip is pretty cool, too. Their entire demeanor gains a perfect confidence, without the slightest hint of arrogance. Their skin seems to glow. The eyes are probably the most dramatic: they grow wide and bright, like those of a child, but wiser.

I'd say this quote from erowid bares some relevance too:

I noticed that the candyflip visuals were different than acid visuals. Acid visuals seem to flow off into the edge of infinity, while my visuals on the combination were sharply edged and vibratory. Everything seemed charged with emotion and meaning. The full moon hanging in the sky was wreathed in colored halos that swirled about it in a most meaningful way. I felt as good as I ever have.

I got up and danced some more. Again it was just incredible. Previous to this experience I liked LSD best as a dance drug, but I think the combination of acid and X has it beat. Every movement I made seemed right, and I was just feeding off the energy of the others dancing around me. Everyone I made eye contact with smiled and I smiled back. Someone accidentally kicked me while performing a break dancing maneuver, but he quickly apologized to me. I impulsively hugged him and told him not to sweat it. The whole dance floor was alive with good feeling and trippy energy.

Candyflipping is like taking part in some kind of digital tribalism. It involves relentless percussive beats and the fringe of the human hedonistic experience.

It's perfection.

 

[Nephtys]

300mics lsd and 94mg mdma at the 4-hour mark will do the trick