combo crystal meth and poppyseed tea

[dais]

sorry, but that's still a bad analogy. it could be applied to coffee and codeine. it's alright, i'm done with the matter

 

[Sustanon]

sorry, but that's still a bad analogy. it could be applied to coffee and codeine. it's alright, i'm done with the matter

So comparing coffee to codeine is the same as comparing meth and PST? Im kind of surprised that this is HR site and most of the senior members on here say its ok. Im done with the matter too, go ahead and mix all of it in great quantities, itll be okay :S

 

[Mel22]

Like I previously mentioned I am no doctor to back this up with scientific proof but a good analogy that a friend of mine uses is this: Comparing your CNS to a car, so lets say you have a nice sports car, you start accelerating (ingest meth which increases the speed of the CNS ie: Heart needs to be pumping a lot faster than usual) or you decrease the speed by applying the brake (taking opiates which slows your CNS down). Now imagine taking both, its like driving with the breaks on. Surely that can't be good for it (you).

I can't understand why you're still pushing the point Sustanon? You don't need to be a doctor to back up an opinion with scientific evidence - just quote some credible sources. Though I'll tell you that you will not find any regarding the "mixed messages" theory though, as there is nothing to back this up.

You cannot just pull out an analogy that your "friend" uses and state it as fact. Back up your opinions, or stop pushing them once someone advises that they are incorrect.

Using uppers and downers together can be bad for you, but you're totally failing to pinpoint as to why this is.

Im kind of surprised that this is HR site and most of the senior members on here say its ok.

No one has said that it is safe. HR relies on providing accurate information and educating people, and as such, if you want to keep stating that uppers and downers together is "confusing" to your system, then you should back it up with some evidence. You've been a member since 2008 - you should know that theories with no basis supported solely by analogies simply don't cut it on here.

 

[Christ!]

I've always thought the uppers plus downers is harder on your cardio system. I don't have any proof but it sounds right.

That said I've done opiates and meth/speed many many times. Just keep it all n moderation and it should be ok if you don't have a preexisting cardio problem (although you probably don't know if you do or don't )

Keep both drugs at a low moderate dose as foots said. If you end up going for a high dose of both stim and opiate it can be somewhat unpleasant and def. more dangerous. You can end up trying to balance things to get a better high, ("oh I'm just getting a bit sleepy...bit more meth" or "I'm buzzing too hard, do some more opiate") you can end up in a really messed up state where more stimulants doesnt take you out of your opiate like trance, I've ended up on my bed with heart going nuts in a kind of weird trance like nod a few times, and it's such a waste.

If you're intolerant to both stim and opiate you'll probably find the stim overpowers. IMO better to use them separate, keep the opiate for the comedown.

 

[Mel22]

I've always thought the uppers plus downers is harder on your cardio system. I don't have any proof but it sounds right.

Opiates can affect the vagus nerve (part of the PNS, not CNS) and is responsible for lowering your heart rate. This in theory may make SVT (Supraventricular tachycardia) caused by stims worse. SVT sucks, but isn't considered dangerous. So in the instance of SVT, it can technically be "harder" on your heart, but not significantly so as AFAIK, the frequency of use required to do damage via prolonged and frequent SVT would be doing serious damage regardless.

The other thing to watch may be the increase risk of seizure due to lowering of the threshold, but obviously this occurs with many substances.

So basically, other than the risk of worsening SVT (which is generally benign) and the decreased seizure threshold, taking uppers with downers isn't inherently more dangerous, and it definitely doesn't confuse your CNS.

I did a fair bit of reading up on this before I first mixed uppers and downers. I was scared by all the myths that get spread about this, but once I started researching, I found that all of it was at worst BS or at best wildly inaccurate, exaggerated and vague.

 

[dais]

thanks for that mel it was a refresher for me to read.

 

[Mel22]

Thanks dais

 

[Jakeperson]

I love opiates and meth, generally in a shot because of the combined rushes. It does feel far more taxing on the body but no more than a high dose of meth on its own.

In one instance I did experience Atrial Fibrillation once from mixing meth-amp and methadone.

 

[bobbydarren]

has anyone tried pouring poppy tea into their arse?

 

[footscrazy]

^ Now that you mention it, yeah, I tried it a few days back. Cooked the tea down til I had a pluggable amount then up it went. No noticeable difference though. I do represent team plug afterall %)

 

[bobbydarren]

^ Now that you mention it, yeah, I tried it a few days back. Cooked the tea down til I had a pluggable amount then up it went. No noticeable difference though. I do represent team plug afterall %)

That is interesting. Surely that means the active can't be morphine?
Huge difference between the oral and arsehole with morphine tablets but no difference with the tea.

 

[spacejunk]

morphine is only one of many actives.

 

[footscrazy]

Other variables at play were the amount I plugged was made from less seeds than my usual oral dose, and also, the plugged amount was my second dose for the day, and I usually find that if I dose twice in a day, the second one has little or no effect, no matter how large it is.

So plugging isn't definitely useless; I doubt I'll cook it down to plug again in the near future though, it's too much of a fuck around for me.

 

[bobbydarren]

So plugging isn't definitely useless; I doubt I'll cook it down to plug again in the near future though, it's too much of a fuck around for me.

I"M not at all experienced in this but If you didn't bother boiling it down and managed to 'inject' and hold 80ml of liquid for hours would you get the same results but perhaps it comes on more slowly, or due to the massive surface area of that quantity of liquid does not all the actives enter the blood stream?

 

[footscrazy]

^ The problem is my teas end up far more liquid than 80ml, more like 500. There's just no way it'd be feasible to plug without evapourating it down IMO.

 

[Ashley]

How would you guys rate PST specifically (not pod tea) in comparison to codeine obtained by a CWE?

Ash.

 

[bobbydarren]

How would you guys rate PST specifically (not pod tea) in comparison to codeine obtained by a CWE?

Ash.

My opinion. PST is a very dirty high without euphoria, and at a dose I can feel [assuming i'ts not a completely shit batch] an over the counter CWE is 1/3 - 1/2 the price of PST. PST lasts longer, but the itches are crazy. No problem with CWE but with PST i can be scratching the fuck out of myself even after a couple of anti histamines. With frequent PST dosing my skin gets all fucked up I develop bad rashes which kill the skin which then flakes off leaving red rash. Worst was when I had this rash across my forehead. Impossible to hide. Also really bad rashes on inside leg crotch area. The rashes took a few weeks to go away after quiting PST but they did did not scar or do permanent damageto skin.

I am guessing main alkaloid is thebaine and not morphine, and one of the minor alkaloids gives you the sedating effects. I just don't see that it can be morph as plugging it should be hugely advantageous but it's not.

So I feel CWE is best because gives a euphoric high, doesn't hang about too long, doesn't give me the itches and is cheap in comparison. I think PST is like a dirty methadone. no euphoria just an extended period of sedation, lethargy AND ITCHING.

 

[Sustanon]

Hmmm you described it very well, personally never tried PST and havnt been desperate enough to give it a go but will prob avoid it. My main reason being not able to know what the exact dosage is, one time it may contain way more actives than the other even using the same brand and method etc.

 

[Captain Brewster]

I've been experimenting with it lately, I don't get that huge kick that codeine gives me, probably not as strong a batch as I need to get my usual codeine hit.

I find that I have a feeling of general well-being for a couple days after having it, definetly gets rid of my anxiety I get a lot lately. Keep telling my quack and psychologist about my anxiety, apparently relaxation CDs should be enough to get me through life :/

But fuck I can tell its addictive as all shit, I've been using it on weekends with codeine, and midweek to stop my anxiety that makes me want to leave work. Last night I had a fairly anxious sleep and slight sweats this morn, might just stick to codeine this weekend, see how it goes, but I don't like my chances of getting through work this week without a midweek dose.

It hasent exactly been getting me high as fuck, just feels like a strong, long lasting benzo to me, but saying that too, I'm not that experienced with benzos. I'm sure if I upped the dose I would be able to get to a very comfortable place.

How do I get rid of the red face at the title of my rant? I don't even know how it got there.

 

[cassandragemini]

I find pst more enjoyable than codeine, I'm actually kind of surprised some of you guys consider it to be so terrible, goes to show everyone is different. I wrote off pst for a long time, the friends of mine that used it used to soak the seeds for an hour or so in orange juice which made it sickening to drink, it also seemed to carry more of the side effects - that's how it seems to me now anyway - when I started doing quick shake and strains in a milk bottle with warm water I had far better experiences. In fact the first time i did it this way I was floored by how good it felt, nothing on good h but at the time it didn't feel too far off, maybe comparable to hydrocodone in the level of enjoyment and euphoria. It definitely isn't a clean buzz but in a way I like that about it, it's like a complex wine that you can sit back an analyse a little. The main problem are the itches, I don get them badly everytime I do it but maybe once a week it'll get pretty bad and the hives that I have from a dose last week arent cool.

Bobby I get pretty much the opposite effects to you with pst and codeine, codeine feels dirty and gives me a histamine reaction that makes my skin swell and makes me feel sick, seeds give me euphoria plus they have the legs to get me through the day without having to redose too often.