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Cold water extraction

maxiumhydro

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After you filter the solution , is it normal for there to be white particles still floating around? I used a gold coffie filter with 2 papertowels in it to filter it.
Any extra advice anyone has would help too.
 
It's not uncommon... drink the water and see how it came out.. better yet, invest in some real filter papers..
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well yeah, but filter paper is damned expensive. i think some coffee filters are probably better than others. some, i believe, are essentially the same material as real filter paper while most are just thin, translucent paper.
those suspended particles *should* eventually settle, especially if the suspension is cold. once they settle, you can decant the supernatant solution (carefully pour off the top layer), which should leave a wet slurry at the bottom. if you want, you can filter the slurry to get a few more drops (which will almost certainly be cloudy) by placing it on a few filters and gently squeezing it.
since you're probably filtering several times, i'd recommend letting your suspensions settle each time, and collecting the liquid you get from squeezing the slurry in a different container. you will lose yield, but keep in mind that in the real world a pure product is always preferred to a very high yield.
i'm not sure if it'll work in this extraction, but in general, aqueous solutions of highly polar substances are commonly "salted out" by adding sodium chloride. this makes the solution more polar, and non-polar substances less soluble (and more likely to fall out of suspension). your solution, of course, will be salty, and there's a small chance you could lose product. but i've seen very cloudy aqueous layers go totally clear on adding NaCl, so it might be worth trying.
 
add a little sugar free koolaid before you filter. (or straight up citric acid if you have access to it). The acidic water will better hold the narcotic. And, just pour off the top layer. If you're careful, it is better than filtering, and you can just filter the sludgy shit at the bottom if you're that desperate.
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Text below is not an "extraction how-to", text below is for anyone who actually wondered about how much APAP is extracted when performing cold-water extraction. If you are not interested in the subject don't read it, you'll be bored. This is kinda long because I tried to include as much details as possible.
Check this out;
5 vics (7.5/750 - WATSON) weight .9 each using d.scales making it 4.5g or 4500mg
Those 4500mg contain;
3750.0mg of APAP 750 x 5 = 3750
37.5mg of HC 7.5 x 5 = 37.5
712.5mg of binders 4500 - 3787.5 = 712.5
When I poured thick-white substance into the closely-wooven piece of cotton, which was straped onto the drinking glass in a cone-shaped manner, brought it edges together and slowly twisting from the top squeezed every last bit of solution I could from there, I was left with a compressed glob of white chalk, and lotsa little pieces stuck to the cloth (on the inside). (Solution was passed through a coffe filter and ingested immideatly
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)I've spread cloth on a table and let everything dry for 24 hours under 100Watt table lamp. When everything was as dry as it could get, I picked up pieces that I was able to pick up with my fingers and scraped the rest with a plastic card (ID), virtualy scraping 98% of the powder. Pieces and powder were placed on a strip of glossy paper (to minimize sticking) that was folded in a "V" shape. Then I made a little dish with 1/2 walls out of tin-foil and placed it on digital scales which were in OFF mode. (FYI, when u put something on d.scales and they are off, when u turn them on, they will show 0.0 on the display, however when u take the object off the scales and they are still powered on, it will show -*.*, where *.* stands for wieght of the object) Scales were turned on and white-chalky substance was placed into the foil-dish. When everything was in the dish, display was going from 4.1 to 4.0, so I suspect the weight was somewhere around 4080mg. So the ammount of waste extracted was around 4 grams. Now let's see how much APAP was extracted. We'll be pessimistic and pretend that every last bit of binders were extracted, which really can't be as the solution was not crystal-clear, so at LEAST 100mg were present, but as I said we'll be very pessimistic;
A) 4080.0mg Total mass of sub. extracted
- 712.5mg Mass of binders extracted
~4.0mg Some HC traped (unavoidable)
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3363.5mg Mass of APAP extracted
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B) 3750.0mg Orig. mass of APAP before extr.
- 3363.5mg Mass of APAP extracted
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386.5mg Ammount of APAP ingested
Now, 386.5mg is a low ass dose of APAP! Compared to 3750 it is 89.7% LESS of what you would be ingesting if no extractions were performed. How ever in real world ammount of APAP taken is far less than 386.5! First it's impossible to extract every last mg of binders, as some go through the cloth no matter how closely wooven it would be. So I'd say around 100mg goes through, making it
612.5mg of binders extracted and not 712.5 (original mass), then don't forget that after I squeezed solution through the cloth, I let it go through coffe filter straped on a glass in the same manner as cotton cloth, and coffe filters trap APAP as well, as they practically have no holes at all, only fibers that trap very small particles, such as crystals of APAP that didn't dissolve in cold water. So 50% or more of APAP that escaped the cloth, is trapped by coffe filter. There is also around 40-50mg of powder lost (mostly binders) when scraping and transporting, but such low mass is not significant. So here are "real-life" calculations based on the above paragraph;
A) 4080mg Total mass of extraction
- ~600mg Mass of binders extracted
~4mg HC traped in the glob or cloth
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~3476mg Mass of APAP extracted
B) 3750mg Original mass of APAP
- ~3476mg Mass extracted from the solution
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~274mg Mass of APAP in the solution
C) ~274mg Mass of APAP in the solution
- ~50% Ammount traped by coffe filter
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~137mg Ammount of APAP ingested
~137mg is 96.35% LESS than 3750mg.
Every calculation above may varie from 0mg-90mg as digital scales that were used, only meassured on 0.0 scale, so if actual product weights 2560mg, scales would show 2.5 grams or 2500mg
Well that's it! Now, honestly, how many of you read this from top to bottom
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Comments, questions are more than welcome
 
citric acid would work the same way as sodium chloride. citric acid is available in drug stores here for home canning and artificial lemonade; it shouldn't be hard to get. it's probably better than NaCl too; i just didn't think of it cause you can't use citric acid in a real extraction.
shady:
1. get a damn funnel. (heh.. you're supposed to use a stemless funnel)
2. every scale has a tare button on it. you put the container on the scale, then press the tare button, and it goes to zero. then you can add whatever it is you want to add. it's easier. (you should know the weight of the container too though)
3. you're also supposed to weigh things on glass, and use a powder funnel to transfer solids, but i won't call you on it.=)
4. if you weigh 2560 mg it should show 2.6, not 2.5. 2.6 grams is the same thing as 2.560 g (significant digits=)), just less precise.
5. you probably trap more binders than you calculated, and probably lose significantly more HC. some HC will even remain 'trapped' in the binder unless you wash it several times. as well, remember that HC is in the aqueous phase and you'll lose any HC in the water that the filter absorbs. i'd say your yield would be around 80-90%, at most, if you did it carefully. this is another reason to use a funnel with your filters cut to the right size.
 
Roches thanx for your opinion!
1. Yeah, you can do it by using a funnel, but cloth straped onto the drinking glass with wide mouth is easier to operate, well I can't really say if it is easier or not as I never tried using a funnel, but I'm pretty sure there is no difference.
2. Yep, pressing Tare button works as well, and it is faster than weighting the object, then turning weights off, then back on for them to display 0.0, but for some reason I am used to doing it that way....strange, again no difference
3. "....you're also supposed to weigh things on glass...." - explain please. As for using funnel for powders, I don't need one. This was one time thing, just to see how much APAP is extracted, no reason to waste time going to the store trying to find a funnel that is made for transfering powders, which would be used just once, don't you think?
4. You mean rounding? I don't think weights are capable of rounding, well they are, but I don't think TANITA people made them that way. I can't really challenge your statment as I don't know for sure.
5. Maximum ammount of binders in 5 vicodins are around 715mg, towards the very end of squeezing, water that is being squeezed into the glass, turns from almost-clear, to muddy-white, meaning that some binders escape the cloth. I would say around 80-100mg so 640-620mg are extracted (Less binders extracted, means more APAP extracted, when substracting from total mass of powder, I am not even counting mass of lost HC as it is insignificant) Now as for loosing 10%-20% of HC in the process, you are absolutely correct, but even so, 10% of 37.5 (5vics) is still only 3.75mg of HC or half a vic. Even 20% loss is just 7.5mg of HC or whole vic. Yes, of course it adds up, but I'd rather loose couple of vics over some time, then loose my liver, ya know what I mean?
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Anyway, thanx for your comments, and I have a question for you; when do u add citric acid to the solution??? When you just crushed up the pillz just before you add cold water, or after you added water, and stired it to make muddy-water solution?? Thanx
 
order of steps:
1.crushed pill into container
2.add water
3.add citric acid
4.stir
5.etc. etc. etc.
anyone found any way to help the fucking taste? some of the most god damn wretched shit in the world if i do say so myself. thank god it doesn't linger and a chaser helps a lot. But JEEESUS i didn't know something could be so bitter!
 
use as little as water as possible, I usually have a 5 vic extraction concentrated in one big gulp, thas it......
btw, i guessed that you should add citric acid after adding water and i have done that yesterday with the extracted "waste" I have collected over the week
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I let all of the white chalk settle down and siphoned off water with a needless syringe....GOOOOODDAAAAM....I didn't expect to get that fucked up....felt like 5-7 vics! Shit, from now on I am collecting all the "waste"
 
I'd like to know how hard it is to do shit? I've read the info on Erowid and it didn't seem TOO hard but from what I've read in here I'm totally confused. Is there like a "cold water extraction for dummies"? Also what does it work for like only Tylenol 3's or what? Thanks...
[This message has been edited by !420+E=:)! (edited 30 May 2001).]
 
that last sentence just ruined your chance i believe bro...hahahaha.....................
 
so what you guys are saying is that the chalky stuff left over shouldn't have much of any good stuff left in it and the good stuff is in the water diluted. thats what i figured but my pills have caffiene in it.
 
shady--
haha, i feel ya there. i got mad fucked up first time i did it, and it comes in way quicker than i was used to from just poppin' the pills.
Anyways, yeah, use very little water. I generally use about 50ml i think. Depending on your age, you can probably steal a graduated cylinder from your high school or college chem labs.
The cold water extraction is very easy, just do what it says on erowid. you can do a pretty basic job very very simply.
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"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which out government was founded."
--Abraham Lincoln -- December, 1840
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-Fuck PLUR, get high-
 
following erowids quide = waiting 2 hours for thick white liquid to drip through. Anyway there is no point to do extractions if you only have a couple. Performing cold water extraction is only needed when you are taking that shit daily
 
i got into a good habit of doing it even when i didn't need too back when i started with hydrocodone into the wonderful world of opiates.
I'm glad too because now it is just a natural action. I'm really fucked though because I need more hydrocodone and my steady supplier is moving in a week.
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I don't know what i'm going to do and i gotta find out lickity-split.
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"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which out government was founded."
--Abraham Lincoln -- December, 1840
  • AIM = CaucasianHomeboy
-Fuck PLUR, get high-
 
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