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Codeine Withdrawal and Loperamide

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Can I use loperamide for codeine withdrawal. I’ve been addicted to codeine for about 4 years. I CWE around 4 packs of cocodamol a day. If I dose around 20mg of lope each night on days 1-3 will that just delay the codeine withdrawal?
 
Sad27 said:
Can I use loperamide for codeine withdrawal. I’ve been addicted to codeine for about 4 years. I CWE around 4 packs of cocodamol a day. If I dose around 20mg of lope each night on days 1-3 will that just delay the codeine withdrawal?
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Someone told me once how much is in one package and I forget now. You can use the loperamide but Kratom will be better. You're always going to suffer though some kind of discomfort on the principal there's there's no free lunch. However if you take this loperamide which I've never tried for withdrawal symptoms I would not take 20 mg all at once but I would load it in doses of 4 mg every 2 to 4 hours. It's not going to help with a lot of the side effects. But since it's only codeine you don't expect severe side effects, especially if you do the smart thing and bloody taper. The s*** is legal I believe why don't you just man up or woman up and take 10% less every 3 days until you're down low enough where you can jump off and all that's needed is a combination of weed, booze, and loperamide if you want. You can't get hooked on loperamide.
 
darvocet21 said:
Someone told me once how much is in one package and I forget now. You can use the loperamide but Kratom will be better. You're always going to suffer though some kind of discomfort on the principal there's there's no free lunch. However if you take this loperamide which I've never tried for withdrawal symptoms I would not take 20 mg all at once but I would load it in doses of 4 mg every 2 to 4 hours. It's not going to help with a lot of the side effects. But since it's only codeine you don't expect severe side effects, especially if you do the smart thing and bloody taper. The s*** is legal I believe why don't you just man up or woman up and take 10% less every 3 days until you're down to dos where you jump off and all this needed is a combination of weed, booze, and loperamide if you want. You can't get hooked on loperamide.
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I can’t taper. I don’t have the willpower. If I have it, I’ll chase a high. It has to be cold turkey. I don’t drink alcohol either. I’m good with weed though haha. I tried using kratom for withdrawal last year. I used it for a week and the withdrawal I had after stopping kratom was worse than any codeine withdrawal I’ve had. It was like a tramadol withdrawal for me, all the physical opiate withdrawals stuff but with the psychological symptoms even worse. I ended up going strange back on the codeine.

I have some pregabalin and some zopiclone. I have concerns around using these. Firstly with the zops, I used them for two weeks straight at the beginning of this year. I had a very intense but short withdrawal after. 2 days of anxiety from hell. A month later I took one and again suffered a 2 day withdrawal after just that one tablet. So now I’m scared to take them again.
With the pregabalin, I’ve used it once every couple of weeks for a couple of months. So I’m worried that 4 or 5 days continuous use will lead to a withdrawal that makes codeine withdrawal seem like nothing. Pregabalin takes away 95% of withdrawal symptoms for me, but I’m super anxious about using it for a few days straight considering my sporadic use of it these last couple of months. I need off the codeine though, it’s effecting my health. I think the CWE solution is damaging my guts.
 
Sad27 said:
I can’t taper. I don’t have the willpower. If I have it, I’ll chase a high. It has to be cold turkey. I don’t drink alcohol either. I’m good with weed though haha. I tried using kratom for withdrawal last year. I used it for a week and the withdrawal I had after stopping kratom was worse than any codeine withdrawal I’ve had. It was like a tramadol withdrawal for me, all the physical opiate withdrawals stuff but with the psychological symptoms even worse. I ended up going strange back on the codeine.

I have some pregabalin and some zopiclone. I have concerns around using these. Firstly with the zops, I used them for two weeks straight at the beginning of this year. I had a very intense but short withdrawal after. 2 days of anxiety from hell. A month later I took one and again suffered a 2 day withdrawal after just that one tablet. So now I’m scared to take them again.
With the pregabalin, I’ve used it once every couple of weeks for a couple of months. So I’m worried that 4 or 5 days continuous use will lead to a withdrawal that makes codeine withdrawal seem like nothing. Pregabalin takes away 95% of withdrawal symptoms for me, but I’m super anxious about using it for a few days straight considering my sporadic use of it these last couple of months. I need off the codeine though, it’s effecting my health. I think the CWE solution is damaging my guts.
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I don't think you should worry about the cold water extraction solution. It's not harmful but the codeine is not a good thing to be taking for the simple reason that it's constipating and pretty much has every other negative quality associated with opiates without any of the fun

You might want to consider taking up drinking beer or wine once you are a week or two out from your last dose. The reason is that it's a good way to calibrate whether or not your opioid receptors are somewhat back to normal is if you can get what's called a lush kick. The fun of booze has a lot to do with its effect on opioid receptors believe it or not, as much as the starving yourself of oxygen and killing brain cells. You hate booze because you're habituated to codeine. Few junkies will voluntarily take alcohol. Although some are hardcore and do both, they're rare
 
darvocet21 said:
I don't think you should worry about the cold water extraction solution. It's not harmful but the codeine is not a good thing to be taking for the simple reason that it's constipating and pretty much has every other negative quality associated with opiates without any of the fun

You might want to consider taking up drinking beer or wine once you are a week or two out from your last dose. The reason is that it's a good way to calibrate whether or not your opioid receptors are somewhat back to normal is if you can get what's called a lush kick. The fun of booze has a lot to do with it effect on opioid receptors believe it or not, as much as the starving yourself of oxygen and killing brain cells. You hate booze because you're habituated to codeine.
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I hate booze because it turns me into an aggressive idiot. I quit booze about a year before I discovered codeine and it has been one of the best things I’ve ever done. No way I’m ever drinking again, but thanks. I’ll stick to weed once I’m off the codeine. Funnily enough, codeine has never constipated me. DHC is another story altogether. That’s why I’ve always stuck to codeine for the majority of my addiction. I prefer the milder buzz of it too.
 
Sad27 said:
I hate booze because it turns me into an aggressive idiot. I quit booze about a year before I discovered codeine and it has been one of the best things I’ve ever done. No way I’m ever drinking again, but thanks. I’ll stick to weed once I’m off the codeine. Funnily enough, codeine has never constipated me. DHC is another story altogether. That’s why I’ve always stuck to codeine for the majority of my addiction. I prefer the milder buzz of it too.
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I thought they were virtually the same in terms of their subjective effects (codeine & DHC). I'm not suggesting at all that you take up alcoholism as a hobby. I merely suggested that if you can get a nice buzz off of two beers that's a very good sign. It's a one-off
 
darvocet21 said:
I thought they were virtually the same in terms of their subjective effects (codeine & DHC). I'm not suggesting at all that you take up alcoholism as a hobby. I merely suggested that if you can get a nice buzz off of two beers that's a very good sign. It's a one-off
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Yeah it’s strange that one completely blocks up my bowels and the other doesn’t.
Yeah I knew what you meant, but a couple of beers for me will turn into a habitual addiction in no time. It’s a risk I don’t want to take. I want to use the pregabalin but I’m so paranoid of developing dependancy.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Tbh, you're best just doing a cold turkey from the codeine.


It may feel like hell, but it's nothing compared to what you will suffer if you progress onto stronger opiates...
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The trouble is that I can’t take any time off work to do a cold turkey.
I did a CT off heroin about 20 years ago but tbh a don’t remember a great deal about it. It’s the insomnia that I can’t deal with in withdrawal. I don’t get restless legs thankfully and can deal with the aches and pains. It’s the insomnia and anxiety and trying to function at work on no sleep that always makes me use again.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Tbh, you're best just doing a cold turkey from the codeine.


It may feel like hell, but it's nothing compared to what you will suffer if you progress onto stronger opiates...
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If you really want to quit you'll taper. Makes no sense to not taper

But then I don't live in a country where codeine can be gotten over the counter and I'm glad. Not that I support restrictions on any drugs. I support increasing levels of maturity across the population. But things are moving decidedly in the opposite direction
 
If a pack is 100 pills (i used to buy them), and for your sake i hope its not, 4 packs is around 3 grams of codeine a day (assuming 8mg/tablet), which is a good amount.

If you can't cold turkey and must use loperamide, you'll need more like 60mg/day. Start at that and taper the loperamide by say 4 a day.
 
negrogesic said:
If a pack is 100 pills (i used to buy them), and for your sake i hope its not, 4 packs is around 3 grams of codeine a day (assuming 8mg/tablet), which is a good amount.

If you can't cold turkey and must use loperamide, you'll need more like 60mg/day. Start at that and taper the loperamide by say 4 a day.
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A pack here in the uk is 32 tablets. So my habit isn’t that large thankfully. Does the loperamide always have to be tapered or can I use it to take the edge off the symptoms when they’re at their worst. Will it just delay the withdrawal I mean, so once I stop the loperamide I’ll just be straight back into withdrawal if I don’t taper it?
 
I used lope the last time I kicked my 100g per day kratom habit and started with 45x 2mg loperamide per day. I think I went down x5 pills a day for awhile.

When I got to 25x lope per day I was stuck for a little while, but then I was able to taper the rest of the way off.

I never got any withdrawal symptoms.

It takes quite a bit more than just 20mg of lope for most people to get the central effects necessary to completely alleviate withdrawals. I've heard that doses above 100mg could be unsafe for your heart rythm. I also heard about a guy when I was in rehab who checked into rehab because he was eating like 300x 2mg loperamide a day to get high. It's probably best not to risk that.
 
Sad27 said:
A pack here in the uk is 32 tablets. So my habit isn’t that large thankfully. Does the loperamide always have to be tapered or can I use it to take the edge off the symptoms when they’re at their worst. Will it just delay the withdrawal I mean, so once I stop the loperamide I’ll just be straight back into withdrawal if I don’t taper it?
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Also, I forgot to mention if you do try the lope you DO want to take the entire day's dose all at once. This is necessary for the loperamide to blockade and overcome the mechanism which usually keeps it confined to the gut allowing the loperamide to circulate freely and bind to central opiate receptors.

Yes, you will have to taper the loperamide. However, it's much easier to taper with the lope than with something shorter acting because of once daily dosing.

With the codeine you are withdrawing every few hours when it's time to redose, but with the high single daily dose lope you won't need to redose until the next day because of how long it takes your body to eliminate such a large quantity of lope from your system (think about the elimination time for a 90mg dose vs a single 2mg dose).

Just step it down a few pills everyday and you won't even get any wd symptoms.

Be careful not to stay on the loperamide any longer than you have to or you will become addicted to the lope. I was probably on lope for at least a couple of weeks tapering, but it was worth it to avoid having any withdrawal symptoms.
 
Goodluck ,I'm like you I can't never taper..I just CT off of my 2 year 220+ milligrams a day of oxytocin and it was bad but manageable..I did have to work during the process and it sucked but I atleast got a chance to get out of the house..I'm a 4 weeks + clean and I'm feeling good..insomnia is the worse but by week #4,sleep gets better..
Goodluck.you can do it.
 
Sounds like a good business to be in, OTC codeine. An industry trade group that knows exactly how much and how little should be in the box to get you jonesing for that next pack.
 
Sidban said:
I'm in exactly the same place
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Did you hear about using NMDA antagonists/dissociatives against opioid withdrawal? These drugs modulate opioid receptors directly to reduce tolerance, you get less dependence without going through withdrawal. Memantine saved my ass when I was dependent on morphine (600mg/d, guess this is more than you'll ever get out codeine). Or DXM if you can't get memantine because it is prescription only in most countries and off-label.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Tbh, you're best just doing a cold turkey from the codeine.


It may feel like hell, but it's nothing compared to what you will suffer if you progress onto stronger opiates...
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