Cool thing about Tramadol (at least for me) it's buzz seems to bust through my bupe even at 4mg, could just be the SNRI property but I don't really feel the difference.
Also fent usually does the same thing and once in a blue moon(if I haven't had hydrocodone in awhile), the dros will work for me if my bupe dose is 2mg or lower, but this is just a crazy phenomenon that rarely occurs for me, usually happens when I haven't had them or oxy in like 2-3 weeks, empty stomach and on low dose sub.
My theory is that bc I snort every oxy that tries to block my path, I sometimes get higher when taking hydrocodone bc I of course swallow dem bitches down the hatch which I never do with other opioids..I have tried to go back to just oral oxy but ain't the same.
A bit off topic but yes codeine for sure especially if it's grip of tablets, lots of trams is great too but godamn that withdrawal the next morning ain't no joke and if you keep taking the trams you will feel the nastiness inside ur gut, gives you a lil shake and a chill, until it kicks in and your head gets all speedy(which is wanted usually) and then go about your day, Oh and trams also have pretty good legs too but I had to drop that shit & cut my mafuckin losses because tram addiction gets gnarly, only every once in awhile now, especially since drs aren't handing them out like candy any more.