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Opioids codeine or tramadol?

which is better

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meeer said:
If you can opt for Tapentadol/Palexia this will be even more potent but only 1 step above as tramadol is to codeine, this however is far less toxic to your body and provides norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors and is a weak actor of the benzoid system. The Slow release are 50-100-150-200-250 and the slow depending on country 50-75mg they are about 5x weaker than oxycodone and .3 the strength roughly of morphine. However I have not just a personal affliction to tramadol and not so great reactions. I have known only more and more pain specialists and anaesthetists that have complete removed tramadol from their tool belt if you will.
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Is this a newer drug? I only heard of tapentadol recently. Is this something they RX in the states?

I’m in the states but haven’t messed with pain pills in so many years.

OP - trans over codeine any day of the week. Codeine never has done shit for me.

And kratom is probably a safer alternative and I doubt its analgesia is less than trams.
 
Tapentadol is pretty nasty shit imho. Best left alone unless no other options. Subjectively I'd say tramadol is more pleasurable if you compare the two.
 
Codeine ofcourse.For me-withdrawl from both even after longterm use is the easiest one....kratom is in this group too.Weak stuff....but good.If i have a choise Kratom would be my first choise,codeine is a second and trams are the last
 
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Juicewrldfan said:
Is this a newer drug? I only heard of tapentadol recently. Is this something they RX in the states?

I’m in the states but haven’t messed with pain pills in so many years.

OP - trans over codeine any day of the week. Codeine never has done shit for me.

And kratom is probably a safer alternative and I doubt its analgesia is less than trams.
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Apologies for the incredibly late reply iv had some really really hectic life shit goin on, Tapentadol has a dual mechanism of action, similar to tramadol. It is a strong MOR (Mu Opioid Receptor) agonist and a serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. I am not sure if tramadol works on both. However again pleasure over medicinal use here is always I find a far more subjective thing, even medical at times.

As for Kratom I personally cannot speak of it living in AUS I do not have enough first hand experience and research on it to comment with any weight. I would assume it be far less toxic if research supports that, however note if this is being taken recreationally or even for pain relief purposes, even dual usage. It is highly likely and possible the dosage will only increase. I am not certain but I don't think taking the GRAMS a day to 10s of such a substance without it outdoing the whole point for taking it for less toxicity in the first place. Again I am not basing this off of any professional or researched knowledge on the particular substance. I can however comment on tramadol terrible toxicity on the body and while tapentadol may not be the next silver bullet nothing usually is its simply an improvement in my opinion and I believe the research backs my claim. However all circumstances are individual and you may have particular health situations that allow one to be less toxic or better metabolised by your body. That being said I could go on but I think I got across most the important ideas there.

As for US RX approval I do know its a schedule 2 and if not sold under the brand name Palexia as is in Australia iv heard it under the name Nucynta in the states if I am correct.

If its possible you may wish to get a test if your GP's in America allow as they do here in AUS, to see how you metabolise prescription medications and other things, as anywhere from an estimated 15>30% of the population cannot convert codeine in their body at all or at such a low amount its negligible, and to note some convert it more than others making over sedation or addiction a far easier thing to potentially experience.
 
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Tramadol lasts much longer and it is very social, energetic and O-Dsmt (metabolite) is in fact quite strong opioid. But please dont take 1000mg because of seizures, collapses, etc ( i use it 10 years i can take huge dose with levetiracetam and be ok).
 
WellTram said:
Tramadol lasts much longer and it is very social, energetic and O-Dsmt (metabolite) is in fact quite strong opioid. But please dont take 1000mg because of seizures, collapses, etc ( i use it 10 years i can take huge dose with levetiracetam and be ok).
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Hey how much would you say is ok ? Like 200 mg ? 150 ? I have ixprim but I am afraid to take too much i try to increase but i never have any effects ... at 3 caps . Will i get any benefit by crushing the tabs ?
 
Isavela said:
Tramadol. Codeine has never worked for me, i can take it huge amounts without effect. Tramadol instead gives me a nice high (400-800mg a day) and very social and euphoric feeling.
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You shouldn't take more than 400mg Tramadol hcl per day - it lowers your seizure threshold significantly. I can attest to that personally.
 
opiofr3k said:
buy codeine OTC with ibuprofen, vbvery easy to do extraction
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I don't want to do extraction, it is for IV or ? I prefer to just take pills . Is there is a benefit if i chew the pills or not ? Like to reduce the assimilation time
 
Put full tablets in warm water, let them melt, add a bit cold water to make it faster, leave it in fridge for 30 min. After take out all liquid form top with syringe, at bottom is paste which is ibuprofen, it don’t dissolve in water. DO NOT EVER I.IV CODEINE!!!
 
I'd say codeine merely due to the risk of seizure that comes from tramadol. I never noticed much of a high from it and only had them handy at work to keep w/da at bay when on H. Didn't feel much of a high. Codeine phosphate is a decent enough weak opiate which will give you a nice buzz for a few hours depending on tolerance and doesn't lower the seizure threshold as does tramadol AFAIK.
 
Opana313 said:
Cool thing about Tramadol (at least for me) it's buzz seems to bust through my bupe even at 4mg, could just be the SNRI property but I don't really feel the difference.
Also fent usually does the same thing and once in a blue moon(if I haven't had hydrocodone in awhile), the dros will work for me if my bupe dose is 2mg or lower, but this is just a crazy phenomenon that rarely occurs for me, usually happens when I haven't had them or oxy in like 2-3 weeks, empty stomach and on low dose sub.
My theory is that bc I snort every oxy that tries to block my path, I sometimes get higher when taking hydrocodone bc I of course swallow dem bitches down the hatch which I never do with other opioids..I have tried to go back to just oral oxy but ain't the same.
A bit off topic but yes codeine for sure especially if it's grip of tablets, lots of trams is great too but godamn that withdrawal the next morning ain't no joke and if you keep taking the trams you will feel the nastiness inside ur gut, gives you a lil shake and a chill, until it kicks in and your head gets all speedy(which is wanted usually) and then go about your day, Oh and trams also have pretty good legs too but I had to drop that shit & cut my mafuckin losses because tram addiction gets gnarly, only every once in awhile now, especially since drs aren't handing them out like candy any more.
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So true.

From like 2008-2014/2015, my mom use to get anywhere from 120-180 50mg pills a month. Some times they'd fill it twice in a month because they actually believed it was "like another tylenol" since it wasn't scheduled. And then once they scheduled them, they slowly started tapering her down until she was only at 30 pills a month before she passed away in 2021. Now you're lucky to get a weeks worth if you have a major surgery.

I had some amazing years on tramadol through out my 20's. I still look back on those days fondly even to this day & i'll be 40 now in a few years. It absolutely can be great opioid, as long as you don't have a heroin tolerance. I can see why people don't like it though, as it can feel pretty dirty at times. But I almost prefer trams over buprenorphine these days.

I some times wonder if leaving tramadol unscheduled for over 30 years was some sort of malicious way to get tons of people hooked on opioids, only to turn around & take it away from everyone/make it harder to get. Thus leaving people to have to get on maintenance or risk their lives with fentanyl on the street. Cause how can you NOT know that tramadol was an opioid for decades & decades? We know they lied about Oxy being addictive too.

Not that I would trade all those wonderful years on tramadol for a life without having had it all, but I still think the fact that they made it so easy to get back is what made me the opioid fanatic I am today. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if I could still get what I wanted, but now I feel like my life sucks without tramadol & heroin around.
 
Codeine, got this awesome liquid, tastes great and sitting right on the shelf.

Tramadol didn't do shit for me.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Codeine for sure, no dirty side effect's (among them keeping you awake) and no seizure risk.

Would someone have depression Tramadol is offcourse usefull, but you'll ne a prescriptioon at least. But for a opiod it suck's, o-DSMT is way better besides its Nor-Ephinerine reuptake action.

Codeine is imo the better one, but you'll have to lower your tolerance. How bout Kratom, I prefer Kratom to Tramadol.
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Tramadol is a far stronger opioid than kratom, on paper both are partial agonists, but if you've the right internal chemistry, you will metabolize the tramadol into an extremely potent full agonist! Kratom is decent for one thing, filling in for a dose of tramadol for a week or two as you catch back up with your script, kratom alone almost always requires a new dose every 1-2 hours, often just as its kicking in nicely, say after 30-minutes, its over with just 30-minutes after that!
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
So true.

From like 2008-2014/2015, my mom use to get anywhere from 120-180 50mg pills a month. Some times they'd fill it twice in a month because they actually believed it was "like another tylenol" since it wasn't scheduled. And then once they scheduled them, they slowly started tapering her down until she was only at 30 pills a month before she passed away in 2021. Now you're lucky to get a weeks worth if you have a major surgery.

I had some amazing years on tramadol through out my 20's. I still look back on those days fondly even to this day & i'll be 40 now in a few years. It absolutely can be great opioid, as long as you don't have a heroin tolerance. I can see why people don't like it though, as it can feel pretty dirty at times. But I almost prefer trams over buprenorphine these days.

I some times wonder if leaving tramadol unscheduled for over 30 years was some sort of malicious way to get tons of people hooked on opioids, only to turn around & take it away from everyone/make it harder to get. Thus leaving people to have to get on maintenance or risk their lives with fentanyl on the street. Cause how can you NOT know that tramadol was an opioid for decades & decades? We know they lied about Oxy being addictive too.

Not that I would trade all those wonderful years on tramadol for a life without having had it all, but I still think the fact that they made it so easy to get back is what made me the opioid fanatic I am today. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if I could still get what I wanted, but now I feel like my life sucks without tramadol & heroin around.
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I am doing that right now, 12 years of tramadol, every day for 10 of those 12 years, all their BS, a dozen doctors telling me to my face its not an opioid, work comp docs handed the shit out like an ATM machine, seriously it was so swiftly handed out we all thought how good could it be, and we would literally toss out the blister packs of thirty, my van had at least a dozen of those blister packs in the back. Now, they are cutting me off of it, absolutely appalling disregard for me the patient, you cannot get a script of it, anywhere.
 
esk3t said:
basically i’m trying to decide whether to get codeine or tramadol. i love codeine but i hate having to take so many pills at once to feel it. i’ve never tried tramadol and have heard mixed things about it so yeah just looking for opinions
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CODEINE! Tramadol is absolute ass.

You don't have to answer, but are you on an anti-depressant? People who aren't are more likely to enjoy Tramadol as it has an SNRI affect as well as having a mild opioid affect.

Either way, Codeine. Unless you can get Dihydrocodeine (also a "weak opioid", but twice as strong as codeine and it has less side effects, like personally it causes me WAY less itching).
 
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