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Codeine Extraction
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Splatt
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Tortoise: eased my mind a bit. Yeah I should be fine then.
I go crazy when doing CWE.. Over filtering, probably losing codeine, but better than having paracetamol. Always thought squeezing was bad soi thats why I start drinking, waiting for the codeine to drip so slowly and then refilter in multiple glasses and multiple times.
I go crazy when doing CWE.. Over filtering, probably losing codeine, but better than having paracetamol. Always thought squeezing was bad soi thats why I start drinking, waiting for the codeine to drip so slowly and then refilter in multiple glasses and multiple times.
Soma24
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Yeah the tabSULES suck, the Chemists Own Pain tabLETS are where it's at!! They just fall apart as soon as they hit the water.
I find the 2 hanky method much quicker and easier than the coffee filter method... a little paracetamol gets through, but I just whack the glass in the fridge or freezer for a little bit and all the paracetamol sinks to the bottom.
The tabLETS dissolve in fuck all water also... I only use like 1.5 - 2mLs of water per tab, the less ultra bitter water you have to down the better!!
I find the 2 hanky method much quicker and easier than the coffee filter method... a little paracetamol gets through, but I just whack the glass in the fridge or freezer for a little bit and all the paracetamol sinks to the bottom.
The tabLETS dissolve in fuck all water also... I only use like 1.5 - 2mLs of water per tab, the less ultra bitter water you have to down the better!!
rogan
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I'll usually dump it on a piece of cloth (cut up old shirt) and squeeze so that the solids in the cloth feel dry to touch. Put it back in the fridge for a while, as Soma said the remaining solids will sink to the bottom. Separate the top layer and filter that through a coffee filter, as there are very few solids to block the filter it takes about 10 minutes to filter to a clear liquid.
Another tip that really speeds things up is use more water. I've looked at different data but I've never found anywhere that claimed a water solubility of greater than 1g/100ml. So I'll use about 250ml, 2.5g is safe - although most data states less than 1g/100ml so its probably less (esp when the water is around 5deg). With more water you will have less losses, the first 200ml will filter real fast (matter of minutes) and exactly how long it takes depends on how much of the remaining 50ml you can afford to lose.
Another tip that really speeds things up is use more water. I've looked at different data but I've never found anywhere that claimed a water solubility of greater than 1g/100ml. So I'll use about 250ml, 2.5g is safe - although most data states less than 1g/100ml so its probably less (esp when the water is around 5deg). With more water you will have less losses, the first 200ml will filter real fast (matter of minutes) and exactly how long it takes depends on how much of the remaining 50ml you can afford to lose.
Soma24
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Hmm the coffee filter after the hanky/shirt method is a good idea!
I really hate the taste of codeine, do you find 250mL hard to get down?? I can never decide whether to mix it with something or just down it... some times mixing it just seems like prolonging the agony.
I really hate the taste of codeine, do you find 250mL hard to get down?? I can never decide whether to mix it with something or just down it... some times mixing it just seems like prolonging the agony.
^ Adding 30ml of strong-tasting straight cordial to it can help with the taste a bit and doesn't add too much more liquid to drink. I prefer to gulp it down without any taste - gives me an idea of how successful the extraction was judging by the bitterness - have a beer or something sweet to chase it with mmmm-mmmm 
Doooofus said:
The Panadeine 15mg are white. I've found them extremely easy to do extraction with, easy to crush and filters very clear... so clear it almost makes you think you've done it wrong.
I'm pretty sure these are the strongest OTC that you can buy without prescription so definitely gets you more product per extraction than any other.
^ Do they need to be crushed or do they just dissolve like the Chemist's Own tablets? That's the main reason I use Chemist's Own is because they just melt into the water, no crushing needed. I might check out Panadeine, a nice clear filtrate sounds lovely.
Soma24
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I wonder if you pay for the brand name though... even though they contain more codeine per tab, they still might not be better value for your money
Still worth checking out though, I might go look up some online prices
Still worth checking out though, I might go look up some online prices
hoptis said:
Yeah but it's way way way way way more expensive. 1 pack of 12 tablets contains 180mg of codeine and for the same price you could almost buy two packs of chemist's own (480mg). Fuck that.
And in more important news...........
Has anybody else noticed that Amcal brand tablets are exactly the same as chemist's own? They even have the 'cIo' logo on one side. EXACTLY the same. They melt if you so much as spit on them.
And Splatt: Me likes using 40 tablets, which equates to about 340mg when losses are taken into account. Recetly went on a binge of codeine and PST and found myself using about 450mg per dose once my tolerance went up. Now I'm takng a break for a few weeks. If I can.
Yeah I thought they might be expensive but I don't remember how much they were compared to other codeine, it's not a big deal for me so the less time spent extracting for more product the better, plus I don't do it that often.
Doooofus: they do require crushing.
Doooofus: they do require crushing.
Splatt - I usually go around the 33 pill mark (to be exact 
) meaning I get three doses from a bottle of 100. Add a couple of beers and a small puff of weed and I'm flying Have been cutting back recently as I was getting worried about my GI tract with a lot of rumbling whenever I was on codeine. Hoping a solid break will sort that out.
) meaning I get three doses from a bottle of 100. Add a couple of beers and a small puff of weed and I'm flying Have been cutting back recently as I was getting worried about my GI tract with a lot of rumbling whenever I was on codeine. Hoping a solid break will sort that out.
rogan
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Yeah its pretty nasty, esp when your doing 480mg - I usually just put up with it and just drink it as fast as possible with a chaser. Last time tho I mixed a little bit of lime cordial and that masked the bitterness real good.Soma24 said:
I use the Amcal brand which I'm pretty sure is exactly the same as the Chemists Own - I think most of the generic 10mg are the same with different packaging. Except for the Tambassis generic, these put me in the same situation as Splatt where I was so sick of waiting for them to filter I squeezed the filter paper and stupidly drunk the cloudy liquid - nothing happened but that doesn't mean its safe to do.
peaked
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I wouldn't recommend doing the squeezing method. I've used the method on many occasions, on a variety of brands - from ones which filtered really well (with me simply ringing out the filter after it had finished filtering anyway) to ones which didn't filter very quickly or at all (i.e. CO pain tabsules or codalgin) where I was trying to "push" much of the water through the filter.
I always noticed that when squeezing, the resulting brew was noticeably cloudy. While I don't doubt that Tortoise is correct in saying that the amounts that get through are probably neglibible, in the interest of being as safe as possible, I would recommend a second filtering of the "squeezed" liquid. Since most of the gunk is gone, the extraction should be very quick.
I've noticed that the brands that filter easily also squeeze out easily. However, with some of the less effective brands (CO pain tabsules again) on many times I've actually noticed that after squeezing, parts of the coffee filter have literally burst apart, and although only a few mm in length, have allowed alot of gunk to pass straight through. If your really gentle then it's possible to do it without breaking it, but its very easy to break and sometimes it can be hard to notice.
On the times that I have resorted to squeezing instead of letting it drip through, I've never found the results to be as good. I suspect if the water is pulled through the gunk before getting filtered it will be of a higher efficiency than when it is simply squeezed out the sides above it.
In regards to the post recommending around 250ml as a safe level of water to use - I'd have to strongly disagree. Though it may not kill you to do every now and then, I doubt it would be very good for your body. For regular uses (i.e. everyday) I think even 1gram of paracetemol (i.e. 100ml water) is too much. I would always use as little water as possible, just enough to submerge the pills. I usually use around 40-80ml to begin with, and the resulting liquid after filtering would be around 30-50ml. The less paracetemol the better IMO.
In regards to the dose taken, I find (with little or no tolerance) that low doses of around 120-200mg will produce a subtle experience with little side effects. Around 300-350mg the effects feel much stronger (and generally more enjoyable, especially with a couple beers), though the side effects are also increased. A few times I've had high doses with no tolerance on an empty stomach, and felt sick as a result. But I've never felt sick if I've eaten.
I always noticed that when squeezing, the resulting brew was noticeably cloudy. While I don't doubt that Tortoise is correct in saying that the amounts that get through are probably neglibible, in the interest of being as safe as possible, I would recommend a second filtering of the "squeezed" liquid. Since most of the gunk is gone, the extraction should be very quick.
I've noticed that the brands that filter easily also squeeze out easily. However, with some of the less effective brands (CO pain tabsules again) on many times I've actually noticed that after squeezing, parts of the coffee filter have literally burst apart, and although only a few mm in length, have allowed alot of gunk to pass straight through. If your really gentle then it's possible to do it without breaking it, but its very easy to break and sometimes it can be hard to notice.
On the times that I have resorted to squeezing instead of letting it drip through, I've never found the results to be as good. I suspect if the water is pulled through the gunk before getting filtered it will be of a higher efficiency than when it is simply squeezed out the sides above it.
In regards to the post recommending around 250ml as a safe level of water to use - I'd have to strongly disagree. Though it may not kill you to do every now and then, I doubt it would be very good for your body. For regular uses (i.e. everyday) I think even 1gram of paracetemol (i.e. 100ml water) is too much. I would always use as little water as possible, just enough to submerge the pills. I usually use around 40-80ml to begin with, and the resulting liquid after filtering would be around 30-50ml. The less paracetemol the better IMO.
In regards to the dose taken, I find (with little or no tolerance) that low doses of around 120-200mg will produce a subtle experience with little side effects. Around 300-350mg the effects feel much stronger (and generally more enjoyable, especially with a couple beers), though the side effects are also increased. A few times I've had high doses with no tolerance on an empty stomach, and felt sick as a result. But I've never felt sick if I've eaten.
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rogan
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Besides the paracetamol, codeine itself is hardly suitable for regular use - tolerance would build to the point where you hit the ceiling dose and then you would only be dosing to starve off the withdrawals.peaked said:
However I do definitely need to clarify one thing I stated, paracetamol has a water solubility of 1.4g/100ml not 1g/100ml as I stated before. This brings the paracetamol dose when using 250ml to 3.5grams. This is still safe for occasional use, but for regular use or when combined with other factors that put your liver under stress (i.e. alcohol and most other drugs) it is potentially dangerous.
peaked
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Sorry for the misunderstanding Splatt! I just started ranting as soon as I saw you mention the squeeze method without actually taking into consideration your previous posts. That said, it wasn't my intention for that to sound like it was directed at you (admittedly, you probably take more caution with the CWE than anyone else on this board). It was meant to be a general warning to everyone. I can remember from the first "splitting N+" thread of people mentioning "squeezing", either through a piece of fabric, paper towels or coffee filters, and then drinking the remaining cloudy liquid - not the safest practice IMO, and I wanted to make sure people were aware of this.
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Splatt
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Nha i didnt take any offense. As I said I completely go nut extracting but see friends do it in 15 minutes... I take hours and hours. normally knock back a val and a few drinks while waiting to stop the boredom and by the time they've worn off its codeine time...
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