Codeine Extraction

[tadfish]

Does adding boiling water at fist to the tablets make a difference?
i usually put 100 pack of 8mg codeine tablets with 500mg paracetamol
with boiling water disolve and stir then nearly freeze sometimes i do then let it defrost then i filter first the top part as the solid as suck to bottom. then i rinse the gunk at bottom and use it for next extract of codeine.
then what cold water i put through fliter papers i then put that extract water in freezer cause some precipitate settles at bottom then i filter that off and drink.
any ideas or pointers

 

[KompelZ]

firstly, no, the data from erowid are wrong.
nothing dissolves better in a COLDER solvent.

secondly, yes, you get more paracetamol, but also more codeine.
yes, it's probably negligible.

Well, I don't claim to be a chemistry buff, so I can't deny or verify for what you said for certain. I'm just going by the best information I have available to me and also what my own body was telling me.

The only way to truly know would be to perform a series of extractions, (say, 3 with 60mls, 3 with 100ml and 3 with 200mls) and then evaporating the liquid. Temperature of water, filter brands, filtering time, mode of evaporation and type of pills would also have to be consistent--or at least in correct ratios. Obviously more water would require more time to filter/evaporate ect. Just something to consider for the future maybe, it might yield interesting results. Any other ideas on how we could make this a more air-tight experiment?

 

[peaked]

Does adding boiling water at fist to the tablets make a difference?

Yes, boiling water will destroy much of the codeine. Use lukewarm at most. IMO room temperature water is fine. When cooling, try not to let it freeze over - if using a freezer, cut the amount of time you'd usually keep it in there. Generally speaking, I prefer to use a fridge or ice bath - it takes longer, but I've found the end result to be somewhat stronger.

When there is an obvious seperation between the water and goo, remix them together before filtering - it shouldn't make the extraction take any longer unless you are using a poor brand (for extracting).

btw 300ml is a fine amount of water.

I wouldn't be too thrilled about consuming 3 grams of paracetemol (or 6 grams if using the 600ml another user posted).

Personally I try to use as little water as possible, to minimize any unwanted harm from additional paracetemol. Generally I'd end up with about 20-30ml's (from 40-50ml), which I assume would only be around 300-400mg paracetemol. Sure, there's more codeine loss, but that's what a second wash of the goo is for.

 

[Tortoise]

I've also noticed that when you use less water to do an extraction, the codeine hits much harder because the solution is more concentrated. Empty stomach + concentrated codeine solution= a very nice high.

 

[The_Idler]

I'll try it with less.



and I know retrograde soluble salts do exist,
but they are rare, and the only ones i have seen are simple, and in my experience, codeine salts simply are not.

 

[KompelZ]

O.K. so I've run out of filters and I know I'm going to have to take something today or I'll be getting w/d symptoms--I can't be arsed going all the way to coles/safeway to pick some up either...yeah, shut up, no criticizing please.

So I've decided to use an old shirt....any suggestions on a good type to use? Like would thicker material be better? Cheers.

'll try it with less.

Let us know how it works, I'm interested.

EDIT: O.K. I basically just went through my cupboard and found the first thing I knew I'd never wear again (too small, just in case you're wondering). Anywho, that shit worked a fucking charm. It filtered in like 10 seconds (literally). And I ended up with a very nice finished product. Also, I squeezed the hell out of it and I didn't have to worry about it breaking. Hell, I ain't ever buying filters again. I actually feel like a bit of a fool for using them to begin with.

 

[Green Laser]

O.K. so I've run out of filters and I know I'm going to have to take something today or I'll be getting w/d symptoms--I can't be arsed going all the way to coles/safeway to pick some up either...yeah, shut up, no criticizing please.

So I've decided to use an old shirt....any suggestions on a good type to use? Like would thicker material be better? Cheers.


Let us know how it works, I'm interested.

EDIT: O.K. I basically just went through my cupboard and found the first thing I knew I'd never wear again (too small, just in case you're wondering). Anywho, that shit worked a fucking charm. It filtered in like 10 seconds (literally). And I ended up with a very nice finished product. Also, I squeezed the hell out of it and I didn't have to worry about it breaking. Hell, I ain't ever buying filters again. I actually feel like a bit of a fool for using them to begin with.

hm. I'm in exactly the same situation right now, have an old shirt I was using to strain poppy seed tea that I cut up, but I'm still fairly concerned as to the efficiency of it. I'm assuming by your +ve reports you got a clear solution?

edit: did it. it looked pretty shitty but I was only using like 14 30/500s so even if it only got 50% of the APAP out I'll be fine.

 

[KompelZ]

It was actually more cloudy than usual--this may have been something to do with the pills I used though (combination of chemists' own and mersyndol day-strength--which btw, dissolve well too).

I put the cup back in the fridge to see what would happen--if there is a lot of the paracetamol, it will fall to the bottom and gather up so it is clearly visible. This didn't happen at all, so I assume it was fairly clean. All in all, I recommend it. After I had finished, there was heaps of the 'gunk' left over (same us usual), so I'm guessing I got most of the bad shit out.

 

[NeverLose]

Just an observation but I definitely found Chemists Own more cloudy than Pan 15's...

 

[Green Laser]

It was actually more cloudy than usual--this may have been something to do with the pills I used though (combination of chemists' own and mersyndol day-strength--which btw, dissolve well too).

I put the cup back in the fridge to see what would happen--if there is a lot of the paracetamol, it will fall to the bottom and gather up so it is clearly visible. This didn't happen at all, so I assume it was fairly clean. All in all, I recommend it. After I had finished, there was heaps of the 'gunk' left over (same us usual), so I'm guessing I got most of the bad shit out.

Completely speaking out of my ass, but from the looks of things a lot more APAP got through using the shirt than using a coffee filter, but it could have just been binders. Either way I wasn't concerned because I was only dealing with 7g before filtering.

 

[peaked]

Hell, I ain't ever buying filters again. I actually feel like a bit of a fool for using them to begin with.

The main reason for using them over a piece of "fabric" is that, assuming you "squeezed" the goo in it, its possible that the fabric also stretched, allowing particles to slip through. Generally speaking, the paracetemol levels probably won't be much more than from a normal filtering (as another reliable poster showed by boiling it down) but how much gets through really depends a lot on the fabric, and how much pressure was applied. The potential for more harm certainly exists from this method, and though it's generally much quicker, I've always been skeptical of consuming an unclear solution.

It was actually more cloudy than usual

More particles probably got through.

 

[hitomaro]

hey kompelz, dont worry a bit ok, coffee filters suck, ive never even bothered using one because i read here sometimes that a CWE would take considerably longer coz the damn shit has to seep through!

ive always, always used a hanky. (no im not disgusting i dont use hankies personally) but i found some in my mums dresser donkeys ago. anyways i fold over once, then twice, and its a perfect size for a cup.

i make sure i run cold water over it first, wring it out a bit (so the damned thing doesnt absorb my codeine as much!) then drape it over the cup. make a little well and pour my mix in. use a spoon to move the shit around so to help it seep. then i pick it up by the four corners, twist and SQUEEZE!

works a charm. i then plonk the leftovers in a seperate cup, and if i can be bothered id do a second extraction (something i did in my earlier days, cant really be arsed these days, dont know if its worth it)

but yeah man, my solution has always been cloudy, but id always get a fuckload of gunk leftover. the amount of ibu id be getting would be negligable. ive had liver function tests done bout two years after doing this, and im 110%

find a hanky bro and try it out! not as cumbersome as a shirt id imagine!

 

[TranzE]

My method involves squeezing the gunk as hard a i can through a t-shirt, into a filter that is already setup. This is because the second step gets the solution clearer, and takes very little time because it is all liquid being filtered (because of the tshirt step).

I don't think the filter step is necessary however, but for piece of mind it mite be worthwhile to some.

 

[KompelZ]

Cheers to all the posters above for their input

When I held the shirt up to the light, I could definitely see very very tiny holes (no more than an average shirt though), so I'm guessing this method would result in slightly higher paracetamol level. And squeezing the way I did probably didn't help much. The second filtering idea is also good, especially if you want a nice clear solution to be on the safe-side, I would imagine it would be very quick too. I posted in some other thread about this; but yeah, 4000mgs is the max daily dose of paracetamol, so I think most us would be well in clear though. However, the LD 50 generally starts at around 12000mgs (24 whole pills). I'm pretty confident my liver is in good health.

Good advice about the hanky too, I'll def give that a try.

 

[malakaix]

I also used the shirt method as a filter..

The solution was cloudy after been filtered, but relativley clear in the sense of no particles.. after a while the Ibprofen was just sticking too the filter like glue.. which i squeezed in an attempt to get the remaining codeine, think i might of got a high level of ibprofen.. although i only used 12 pills at 12.8mg/200mg.

 

[Wakarimasen]

I did a CWE and then boiled off the water. The solution after filtration was cloudy, but I did get rid of most of the shit that fell to the bottom in the fridge beforehand.

I started with 32x 8/500 (P), so there is a maximum of 256 mg of codeine in the solid. If I weigh out the solid, what is the highest weight it can be to consume it safely? I.e. assuming the entire solid is paracetamol, how much would be safe to eat? I don't have scales around, but by eye I'd say it's about 1.5 g.

Will that be okay to eat?

 

[johnnyonelove]

codeine doesn't like heat, so boiling is probably a bad idea....

as far as max paracetamol, well i think most packs state that you should have no more than eight a day. so thats (8x500mg) 4 grams paracetamol.

 

[Wakarimasen]

I heated but it never boiled, reckon it'd be okay?

 

[NeverLose]

codeine doesn't like heat, so boiling is probably a bad idea....

as far as max paracetamol, well i think most packs state that you should have no more than eight a day. so thats (8x500mg) 4 grams paracetamol.

Also important to note that by eight a day they mean spaced out over 24 hours not all in one go.

 

[The_Idler]

4g is a minuscule chance of OD.


do not have more than 4g at a time.

if you want more, CWE.