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Codeine Extraction

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shaane08: yes some is still in the "gooey" stuff, it is possible however to repeat the process using the gooey stuff to recover more however you will encounter the rule of diminishing returns.

Perhaps save the goo until you have a larger amount and retreat. If you do that evap until dry (don't use heat)
 
Is codeine really worth giving it a go? I've never tried an opiate drug, but I can get the pills easy for CWE. I bought the stuff I need to today for a CWE and have 100 pills (not to use at once of course)...
 
WAMATL said:
Is codeine really worth giving it a go? I've never tried an opiate drug, but I can get the pills easy for CWE. I bought the stuff I need to today for a CWE and have 100 pills (not to use at once of course)...

I'd say its definetly worth a go. you might like it, you might not, some people just arent opiate people.

I'd advise having ~45 mg (dont bother with a CWE) just to test if you are a) allergic or b) super sensitive to codeine ( some people can get fucked up off 60mg)

I did 200mg for my first go and it was very nice. Switch the lights off, put a movie on and snuggle up on the couch =D

shaane08 said:
my question is, how much? do i lose a good 15mgs from a 200mgs dose or lose 50mgs.

using 100ml water for 200mg dose, you'll have a 2mg/ml solution. Lets say you lose 5ml (a teaspoon) of water (in the filter paper and slurry) then thats only 10mg of codeine lost
 
using 100ml water for 200mg dose, you'll have a 2mg/ml solution. Lets say you lose 5ml (a teaspoon) of water (in the filter paper and slurry) then thats only 10mg of codeine lost
Most people I have spoken to who have had Codeine through means not involving a CWE (back in the days of N+ splittables, prescribed etc) find an equivalent dose cold water extracted is no where near as strong, I think losses are quite significant - its hard for me to comment as I haven't got any significant effects at up 500mg so I'm prob one of those people that can't convert Codeine to Morphine.
 
Mr. White said:
using 100ml water for 200mg dose, you'll have a 2mg/ml solution. Lets say you lose 5ml (a teaspoon) of water (in the filter paper and slurry) then thats only 10mg of codeine lost
That's way too much water man. Rule of thumb: 2ml-3ml per tablet.

200mgs=20 tabs. Therefore 60mls would be your max (I use 60mls for 24 tabs). This is just what I've read in other FAQs and it seems to work best. Less is more ;)
 
no, the laws of physics say more is more.


More paracetamol as well, ofc.
but negligible.

just use 200ml then youll be fine and safe in every way.
 
think of it this way, if youre going to lose 5-10ml in the filter&cake,

if you use 60mg, that is 8-17% of your codeine GONE, wasted.

use 200ml, then it is 2.5-5%
 
That's interesting, I don't intend on doing another cwe until next week (my tolerance is through the roof at the moment) but I will give that method a try. You know, purely in the interest of science.

Today I'm on the hunt for 200ml of dihydro :)
 
I use a smaller amount of water, with a more thorough extraction. Just be careful with how you do it, take care not to lose any, and there won't be much loss at all. :)
 
Mr. White said:
i dont use 100 ml, i think i'd just read a CWE guide and used the figure from.

yeah, probably best not to think for yourself.



well, unless you educate yourself first, of course.
 
O.K. I have a few things to say..feel free to disregard all of it if you are sceptical, but I have been doing codeine extractions for a long time and my experience tells me that a lot of you are wasting your time.

First of all, you dont need to evel cool the water. Cooling the water allowss you to extract more of the codeine out of the pill but doesnt make any difference to how much ibuprofin or paracetamol you are getting through. Think about it: What is disolved in the hot/warm water does not 'resolve' when you cool it down. Once it is liquid it will stay liquid. Just put your pills in warm water, allow them to disolve, filter out the matter, drink the water. You will be losing maybe a whopping 0.5mg of codeine per pill...but who cares.

Secondly, coffee filters etc are wasting your time too. USE A SHIRT. A plain, every day, shirt. What you are being so scrupulous filtering out using the coffe filters and such is not the paracetamol/ibuprofin, it is the compound in the pill that it used to glue the drugs together, and other additives. If you want to prove this to yourself, strain a packet of nurofen + and then strain a packet of panafen + (using my method) - compare the 2. You'll notice the N+ comes out 'milky' and and the panafen comes out much clearer, like a cloudy glass of water. This is because the manufacturers use different compounds to make their pills. Youll notice if you strain chemists own pills the solution will end up rather clear too. The milk residue you get drom nurofem + is diolved compund that's in the pill. This is what you are going to so much effort to filter out using coffe filters and such. Ibufpofin gets filtered out successfully using a shift because its virtually undisolvable. Now the compound iin the nuforin is not necessarily good for you as it contains caffine and other substances not necessarily good to be injested in high amounts. However, I have consumes tonns of the stuff and my health is fine.

Lastly, crushing the pills is useless. It takes about 20 minutes labour to do what happens anyway when you disolve the pills in water (I think most of you have already realised this)

good quick way to get high on codeine:

1 put a 72 packet of panafen+ or nurofen into a 600ml plastic coke bottle

2 fill the bottle about half full of warm water (dont be pedantic aboput the temp)

3 put the lid on the bottle, let the pills disolve for about 15 minutes, giving the bottle a mild shake every few minutes.

4 set up a container with a shirt or hanky over the top, strain the solution through it. when most of the liquid had gone through ring the hell out of the cloth, because a lot of liquid is still caught up in the solid - the most potent stuff will be there. Dont go overboard, if you are forcing the solid through the holes in the cloth you have gone too far ;)

5 drink the liquid. (eat a lolly immediately afterwards ;)

(depending on your tolerance, the extract from 72 pills might be too much for you - drink half, 1/3, 3/4, whatever you like. A good dose should bring you the brink of itchiness but not make you actually itchy. If you start scratching you have had too much.)

Now, I have been doing exacty this for about a year. For the last 6 months I have been taking at least 2 doses of 72 pills per day, and my liver numbers are exactly normal. Also, my friend who does the same, and who has hepatitis c, has just cured his virus on treatmen - as measured by his liver numbers going back to normal - has a perfectly normal liver function as well.

Also, if youre straining chemists own (or any paracetamol based pill really) make sure you have something in your stomach before hand - otherwise you will get sick)
 
scruffyloather said:
First of all, you dont need to evel cool the water. Cooling the water allowss you to extract more of the codeine out of the pill but doesnt make any difference to how much ibuprofin or paracetamol you are getting through. Think about it: What is disolved in the hot/warm water does not 'resolve' when you cool it down. Once it is liquid it will stay liquid. Just put your pills in warm water, allow them to disolve, filter out the matter, drink the water. You will be losing maybe a whopping 0.5mg of codeine per pill...but who cares.
I'm not sure you understand how solubility works. A saturated sollution (ie a mix of aqueous and solid matter) is in a equilibrium, with equal amounts of aqueous matter becoming solid and vice versa. By cooling the liquid the solubility of the APAP/Ibuprofen is lowered (not as much can stay dissolved) so the system will move into disequilibrium, there will be more aqueous matter becoming solid than solid becoming aqueous (APAP/Ibuprofen comes out of solution and crystalises).
"Once it is liquid it will stay liquid", thats bullshit.
Try this. boil some water, now add salt (with stirring) until no more salt dissolves (give it a few minutes to be sure), there should be some salt undissolved in the water. Now put this saturated salt solution in the freezer. Come back in 30 mins and it should be cold. Notice any more salt than you had when you put it in?

scruffyloather said:
1 put a 72 packet of panafen+ or nurofen into a 600ml plastic coke bottle

2 fill the bottle about half full of warm water (dont be pedantic aboput the temp)

3 put the lid on the bottle, let the pills disolve for about 15 minutes, giving the bottle a mild shake every few minutes.
too much water, that'll get you about 3 grams of Paracetamol (6 Panadols)
i wouldnt use more than 150-200ml
 
^^^

yes, you do NO have to cool the water,
no, cold water DOES NOT extract "more" codeine,
no, colder water DOES extract LESS of EVERYTHING.
yes, APAP is much easier to filter than ibu (what is in N+),
no, doing extracts from APAP pills does not make people sick.
 
I tried using more water. Instead using 60mlsx24 pills in two jugs I used 100mls in one jug and 200mls in the other jug (both with 24 pills, also). All in all, it doesn't make any difference, it just creates more mess because you have more water to work with, so your "law of physics" theory is bunk. You may end up with slightly more, but I'm guessing it would be in the range of about 20-30mgs--if that. As a matter of fact, using more water is likely to result in more paracetamol. Read the table located on the FAQ on erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

Oh and crushing the pills does work for some brands, "scuffyloather". The pills dissolve twice as quick.
 
firstly, no, the data from erowid are wrong.
nothing dissolves better in a COLDER solvent.

secondly, yes, you get more paracetamol, but also more codeine.
yes, it's probably negligible.

thirdly, yes, crushing the pills is MUCH better for a lot of brands.
 
The_Idler said:
firstly, no, the data from erowid are wrong.
nothing dissolves better in a COLDER solvent.

While i cant vouch for the data on erowid, there ARE some things which dissolve in colder solvent. Not alot but there are some.

But that whole argument is moot anyway. Codeine has such a high solubility that it is nowhere near a saturated codeine solution. Cooling the water wont drive any codeine out, but will drive out paracetamol, as it IS saturated with paracetamol
 
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