PeacePipeChief
Bluelighter
Does it matter much that I dosed my codeine 25 mins after my 30 mg DXM not 45-60 minutes after ? Does it make a massive difference ?
Sonny Jim said:No, it is easy to make a crystal clear solution that has a lethal dose of ibuprofen or paracetamol.
Sonny Jim said:Do you agree that every CWE you make, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, has a significant amount of dissolved (invisible) paracetamol or ibuprofen in it? It doesn't matter if you do a perfect CWE, it will contain dissolved para or ibu. Just like it contains dissolved (invisible) codeine.
Sonny Jim said:Also, do you agree that assuming quality pills and pure or at least quality tap water the only thing that influences the amount of dissolved (invisible) para or ibu in solution is the temperature of water, the volume of water to pill ratio and the time allowed for crushed pill to dissolve. Oh and of course the filter but that is after the water/pill interaction.
Why do you need to start with warm water?
The pills I use completely dissolve in fridge temp water, and I still get wasted.
I thought harm minimisation would mean doing certain things that make it less likely to consume apap.
I read someone saying that once you start heating it up, your doing a different method, called crystallography.
There's more things you need to do to do this properly.
The other way by using cold water to dissolve pills is different, because all you are doing is making it harder for APAP to dissolve. The other method requires you to re-crystallise the paracetamol, then filter.
I have read of people doing this to help dissolve pills, then cooling the solution down, whether the APAP solubility drops to normal levels or not after cooling could be another story
Sources please. If you are using cold water, there is nothing to worry about.
Sources, if you don't understand that a solution containing dissolved paracetamol at a lethal dose can be crystal clear then you shouldn't be doing a CWE. Please don't be offended, I am not trying to belittle you. You must understand this basic principle before you can even begin to understand the way CWE works. I am talking in general by the way, maybe that is what your confused about. I am not talking about your particular CWE.
Oh here's a source just look at the MSDS for paracetamol, it states it is a white crystalline powder. You can look up the ibu one your self if you want. http://pharmacycode.com/msds/Paracetamol
No I don't agree that it has a significant amount at all, unless you consider under 500mg (half the recommended dose using my amount of water/method) to be significant.
500mg is a significant amount yes, of course it is, please look up the term significant if you don't believe me and again I'm not being nasty I am just trying to point out things that could save your life/health or someone's who might read this
I don't really understand your point of this, but ill try to answer you regardless.
First off what exactly do you mean by quality and pure pills, (sorry that was a typo, I meant pure or near pure tap water and the correct pills. Yes that's right "the correct pills" because some are designed in a such a way that the ibu/para is more water soluble)they are all made in a lab from a pharmaceutical company, they are guaranteed quality, and if they were pure there would be no need for a CWE. Where did you get the idea you need "good quality tap water" from? Its not like you need to purify your water in order to do a CWE. The only thing I can agree with you in your poorly written nonsense is that the temperature in which you start your CWE with and the amount of water used will effect solubility levels. Impatient filtering (squeezing) or not using the right kind of material will let suspended APAP through, easy fixed buy a packet of 100 coffee filters for 2 dollars!
I have added all the evidence you could possibly want WTF are you talking about? Look at the MSDS for para. It's a white crystalline solid, therefore its not gonna change the colour of the water it's dissolved in now is it? Of course not! and every time we do a CWE we prove this simple fact because the water doesn't change colour (unless the pills have pink, yellow etc colouring but that is besides the point). What's not to get?
The MSDS shows nothing about a clear CWE containing lethal amounts of APAP. Also it is WHITE, white is a colour, and that is why before you filter ITS WHITE and even after you filter if you squeeze the filter the suspended APAP turns your CWE white fool.
The MSDS shows nothing about a clear CWE containing lethal amounts of APAP. Also it is WHITE, white is a colour, and that is why before you filter ITS WHITE and even after you filter if you squeeze the filter the suspended APAP turns your CWE white fool.
Yes you do have to show evidence.