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Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

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I take my DXM right before the codeine, I find that way to work for me the best. Not sure why you take it an hour after? Unless u want to it to over power the codeine? I hate that feeling :S
 
Why do you need to start with warm water?
The pills I use completely dissolve in fridge temp water, and I still get wasted.
I thought harm minimisation would mean doing certain things that make it less likely to consume apap.

I read someone saying that once you start heating it up, your doing a different method, called crystallography.
There's more things you need to do to do this properly.

The other way by using cold water to dissolve pills is different, because all you are doing is making it harder for apap to dissolve. The other method requires you to re-crystallise the paracetamol, then filter.
 
Sonny Jim said:
No, it is easy to make a crystal clear solution that has a lethal dose of ibuprofen or paracetamol.
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Sources please. If you are using cold water, there is nothing to worry about.

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Do you agree that every CWE you make, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, has a significant amount of dissolved (invisible) paracetamol or ibuprofen in it? It doesn't matter if you do a perfect CWE, it will contain dissolved para or ibu. Just like it contains dissolved (invisible) codeine.
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No I don't agree that it has a significant amount at all, unless you consider under 500mg (half the recommended dose using my amount of water/method) to be significant.

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Also, do you agree that assuming quality pills and pure or at least quality tap water the only thing that influences the amount of dissolved (invisible) para or ibu in solution is the temperature of water, the volume of water to pill ratio and the time allowed for crushed pill to dissolve. Oh and of course the filter but that is after the water/pill interaction.
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I don't really understand your point of this, but ill try to answer you regardless.

First off what exactly do you mean by quality and pure pills, they are all made in a lab from a pharmaceutical company, they are guaranteed quality, and if they were pure there would be no need for a CWE. Where did you get the idea you need "good quality tap water" from? Its not like you need to purify your water in order to do a CWE. The only thing I can agree with you in your poorly written nonsense is that the temperature in which you start your CWE with and the amount of water used will effect solubility levels. Impatient filtering (squeezing) or not using the right kind of material will let suspended APAP through, easy fixed buy a packet of 100 coffee filters for 2 dollars!
 
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Captain Brewster said:
Why do you need to start with warm water?
The pills I use completely dissolve in fridge temp water, and I still get wasted.
I thought harm minimisation would mean doing certain things that make it less likely to consume apap.

I read someone saying that once you start heating it up, your doing a different method, called crystallography.
There's more things you need to do to do this properly.

The other way by using cold water to dissolve pills is different, because all you are doing is making it harder for APAP to dissolve. The other method requires you to re-crystallise the paracetamol, then filter.
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I have read of people doing this to help dissolve pills, then cooling the solution down, whether the APAP solubility drops to normal levels or not after cooling could be another story, but doesn't seem worth it to me. In that situation I would just look for a brand that is more easily dissolved in cold water. I am not familiar with "crystallography" seems like more unnecessary work. Does anyone know of the advantages to "crystallography"
 
88brenno said:
I have read of people doing this to help dissolve pills, then cooling the solution down, whether the APAP solubility drops to normal levels or not after cooling could be another story
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That's what I'm talking about, does the apap go back to a soildish state after heating??
Just sounds like more opportunity to get paracetamol overdose. Who wants to risk that?

And plus to the fact that codeine probably deteriorates at higher temps.
 
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Yeah I would just stick to the CWE :)

I will upload a pic (in about 30 mins) of my CWE before I mix it with cordial, that is currently filtering, with my favorite brand 40x15 = 600mg for like 16bucks, been to quite a few chemists in the area, and most pharmacists did not even know you could buy 15mg in 40 packs considering how new it is. I used 30mL for 30 pills and its not sludgy/chunky AT ALL, reckon I could have used 40 pills with 30 mL, I swear these pills were made for CWE.

I just saw this thread Magnesium/Zinc potentiates opiates via NMDA I started taking magnesium daily in the form of citrate after starting dexies, although am weary of taking too much as I hear the form I am using (citrate) is used as a laxative but one pill doesnt give me the shits, maybe it will help with opiate constipation as-well, knock 2 birds with one stone ;)

Damnnnn 450mg is good but I will probably go 600mg next time considering my tolerance these days... Cigarette time :)

Edit: CWE porn as promised: (I tried to NSFW it but not sure of the code can someone please pm me the HTML code for future?)

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88brenno said:
Sources please. If you are using cold water, there is nothing to worry about.
Sources, if you don't understand that a solution containing dissolved paracetamol at a lethal dose can be crystal clear then you shouldn't be doing a CWE. Please don't be offended, I am not trying to belittle you. You must understand this basic principle before you can even begin to understand the way CWE works. I am talking in general by the way, maybe that is what your confused about. I am not talking about your particular CWE.

Oh here's a source just look at the MSDS for paracetamol, it states it is a white crystalline powder. You can look up the ibu one your self if you want. http://pharmacycode.com/msds/Paracetamol


No I don't agree that it has a significant amount at all, unless you consider under 500mg (half the recommended dose using my amount of water/method) to be significant.
500mg is a significant amount yes, of course it is, please look up the term significant if you don't believe me and again I'm not being nasty I am just trying to point out things that could save your life/health or someone's who might read this


I don't really understand your point of this, but ill try to answer you regardless.

First off what exactly do you mean by quality and pure pills, (sorry that was a typo, I meant pure or near pure tap water and the correct pills. Yes that's right "the correct pills" because some are designed in a such a way that the ibu/para is more water soluble)they are all made in a lab from a pharmaceutical company, they are guaranteed quality, and if they were pure there would be no need for a CWE. Where did you get the idea you need "good quality tap water" from? Its not like you need to purify your water in order to do a CWE. The only thing I can agree with you in your poorly written nonsense is that the temperature in which you start your CWE with and the amount of water used will effect solubility levels. Impatient filtering (squeezing) or not using the right kind of material will let suspended APAP through, easy fixed buy a packet of 100 coffee filters for 2 dollars!
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Nonsense? It's not non sense, I am trying to help you understand that a crystal clear solution can contain a lethal dose of paracetamol. That is a simple fact and you need to understand it to understand the risks involved with CWE.

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Find any first year chemistry text book and do some reading on solutions VS suspensions etc. The term solution has a precise definition and you really should check it out. There is usually a whole chapter devoted to this kind of stuff. i.e. solubility, supper saturated solutions etc.
 
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I have added all the evidence you could possibly want WTF are you talking about? Look at the MSDS for para. It's a white crystalline solid, therefore its not gonna change the colour of the water it's dissolved in now is it? Of course not! and every time we do a CWE we prove this simple fact because the water doesn't change colour (unless the pills have pink, yellow etc colouring but that is besides the point). What's not to get?
 
What's more, I shouldn't have to add evidence to prove something so obvious. It should be obvious to anyone even thinking of carrying out a CWE.

Jesus, just add some table salt to a glass of water and you'll prove my point for solutions made of white crystalline solids.

Or better yet read the chapter on solutions in any first year chem text book. Really, it won't take long and you will learn things that could save your health.
 
Sonny Jim said:
I have added all the evidence you could possibly want WTF are you talking about? Look at the MSDS for para. It's a white crystalline solid, therefore its not gonna change the colour of the water it's dissolved in now is it? Of course not! and every time we do a CWE we prove this simple fact because the water doesn't change colour (unless the pills have pink, yellow etc colouring but that is besides the point). What's not to get?
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The MSDS shows nothing about a clear CWE containing lethal amounts of APAP. Also it is WHITE, white is a colour, and that is why before you filter ITS WHITE and even after you filter if you squeeze the filter the suspended APAP turns your CWE white fool.

Yes you do have to show evidence.
 
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88brenno said:
The MSDS shows nothing about a clear CWE containing lethal amounts of APAP. Also it is WHITE, white is a colour, and that is why before you filter ITS WHITE and even after you filter if you squeeze the filter the suspended APAP turns your CWE white fool.
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jesus, you really are a worry. Your understanding of the very basic chemistry involved for CWE is no way near adequate if you can't grasp this basic concept.

If you don't understand that dissolving a white colourless crystalline solid in water makes a crystal clear solution then you really don't know what your talking about. Dangerously so!

Show this part of the thread to anyone who knows a little bit of basic high school chem and they will tell you the same.

***white colourless crystalline solid means transparent colourless. White is not actually a colour. White light is actually the complete spectrum. A solution cannot be white as in white paint. Not ever. If it was white like white paint then it wouldn't be a solution it would probably be a suspension/solution combo in the case your describing.
 
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88brenno said:
The MSDS shows nothing about a clear CWE containing lethal amounts of APAP. Also it is WHITE, white is a colour, and that is why before you filter ITS WHITE and even after you filter if you squeeze the filter the suspended APAP turns your CWE white fool.

Yes you do have to show evidence.
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I did show evidence but I think I get where your confused now, you think I am talking about your CWE specifically, I am talking about a para or ibu solution in general, still you should really do some reading. You seem passionate that you know how to make a good CWE so you'd probably enjoy reading up on solutions.
 
yeah well, you strike me as the kind of person who'd yell "TROLL!" at the first hint of losing an argument.
 
oH and of course the LOL the MSDS doesn't say anything about a CWE at all. Why would it? That's not why I posted it.

THE MSDS IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THE COLOUR OF PURE PARACETAMOL, THE ONLY REASON YOU DON'T THINK IT IS EVIDENCE IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
 
You don't seem to understand the concept of solubility, and the fact that coffee filters catch suspended APAP. I will trust Erowid and Bluelight over you any day. Perhaps you should start another thread if your that concerned rather than fill up this one.

Extraction works because APAP, ibuprofen, and aspirin are hardly soluble in water, especially when it's cold, whereas opiates are very soluble in water.
 
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Chill the fuck out someone take the topic off this argument about dissolved ibuprofen and paracetamol . If I have done 600mg codeine 4 days ago , then 400mg for 2 days , then I did another 1 at night and didn't do one yesterday will my tolerance have begun to go up ?
 
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