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Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

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Drop pills in a glass add 2ml water for each pill (can place in fridge for 30 mins if u really want to) then wet a shirt placed over a collecting bowl. Pour through whilst mixing and then make a ball (I usually make a sausage out of it, i find its much better to squeeze the actives out of it. Add same amount of cordial and enjoy. Doesnt take long at all and filters well. Look up ibu/para solubility and do the maths.

The solubility of ibu/para will hold little relevance over the amount of ibu/para that makes it through your shirt and into the collecting bowl. ibu/para could be completely insoluble in hot water and you'd still get in your final product using a shirt.

The difference in size between the holes in filter paper and the holes in the weave of shirt fabric is huge (relatively speaking).

am I missing something?
 
Yea u are. Different water temps have dif solubility. Ibuprofen isnt really soluble in cold water whereas codeine is very water soluble. Ull end with a bit more ibuprofen in the final extraction but it wont be more than the recommended safe dosage.
 
yeah but that is not what I am talking about.

I am saying that the solubility of ibuprofen or paracetamol is irrelevant if your filter is not good enough to remove small particle of undissolved ibuprofen or paracetamol.

That's why I used the hypothetical situation of ibu/para being insoluble even in hot water to make the point about filter quality. It doesn't matter if the ibu/para is not dissolved because it is going to make it through the filter and into the collecting bowl if your filter (shirt fabric) has pore sizes that are large enough to let ibu/para particles through.

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sorry, I read through my posts and can see howthey might be a bit confusing. All I am saying is that filtering through a shirt is not effective and it negates the solubility information commonly referenced in this thread.
 
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Bloody bupe I bad on Monday.... Had 400mg codeine and oly barely had effects, like taking 30mg lol. Completely forgot about the extremely long half life of bupe...
 
Some of u i dont think do cwe well & effeciantly so i thought i might add my procedure. It works perfect. Ive had my liver tested recently & the dr said mine is healthier than his. & ive done cwe many times.
this is also a way of getting around having blacked filters

1. buy a 40 pack chemists own pain tablets pack
2. put it in 80mL of water & put it in freezer for 1/2 hr. (chemists own dissolve themselfs)
3. put an unused hanky over a small bowl after wetting the hanky with cold water so it doesnt obsorbe the codeine/apap water (wet than sqeeze the water out so u dont add more water to ya mix), stir the mix for about a minute otherwise u'll just be tipping the water from the top & will be missing out on some of the codeine cought in the apap mix.
4. pour mix straight after stiring over the hanky (make sure ya get every bit of water & apap into the hanky, this is why u stir it first & if a little bit of solid is left at the bottom add a tiny amount of water so u get every little bit out), wrap up the sides of the hanky & squeeze the water through the hanky. Squeeze as tightly as u can to get every last drop out. (hold it at the top to tightly with ya right hand & sqeeze all the water out with ya lefthand.) when ya open up the hanky there will be dry solid apap that u can wash down the sink)

this gets rid of like 95%+ of the apap. u can than put it through a coffee filter & it wont get blocked by apap. always wet the filter with cold water first so it doesnt obsrorbe ya mix. u CAN gently sqeeze the hanky to allow it to drip through.
when ya squeezeing it sqeeze it into a 2nd glass & add it to the 1st glass as it goes well so if the filter breaks u dont have to start again.

this is the best way of doing cwe & ive always got 80mL water back out of the cwe so im getting pretty much all the codeine cuz its the same amount of water i started with.

the water is grey, not clear. but try putting 2 grams of apap into 80mL of water. it'll turn white, not grey & start to make a layer down the bottom. so that proves it must have less than 2g.


btw i think everyone who reguarly does CWE should try milk thistle. its in liva tone shots uve seen on tv before but dont buy them cuz can just buy milk thistle in another brand for cheaper & with twice the amount. it's a strong antioxident which helps repair & detox ya liver because realistically between 200mg-1g will probably end up in ya drink (the soluble apap & maybe a little that may get through the filter) & if ya doin it a few times a week it would be a good idea because although drs say it's safe studies have been shown that just regually taking 2 panadols even a few times a week is bad for ya liver

IM curious to know what u guys think is the best otc opiate? DHC (200mL bottle Rokodeine)
PST (300g-700g) or CWE (400mg) Ive given doses which shouldnt make ya sick if u have a moderate opiate tolerance
 
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the edit button isnt working like it doesnt sometimes. I was going to add
btw i think everyone who reguarly does CWE should tae milk thistle. its in liva tone shots uve seen on tv before but dont buy them cuz can just buy milk thistle in another brand for cheaper & with twice the amount. it's a strong antioxident which helps repair & detox ya liver because realistically between 200mg-1g will probably end up in ya drink (the soluble apap & maybe a little that may get through the filter) & if ya doin it a few times a week it would be a good idea because although drs say it's safe studies have been shown that just regually taking 2 panadols even a few times a week is bad for ya liver
 
Studies have shown that 1g paracetamol 3 times a week is bad for your liver? Which studies?
 
that's very good advice regarding milk thistle Anon54

milk thistle (Silybum marianum) is a must for people doing CWEs on paracetamol/codeine tablets.

Look for tablets that have been standardised for their flavanolignin content or silymarin content. Flavanlignans and silymarin mean basically the same thing. Flavanolignan is an umbrella term for a specific group of plant metabolites of which silymarin belongs. To confuse matters further the term silymarin does not refer to a single chemical, it actually refers to a group (a complex) of flavanoligans found in the seeds of milk thistle (silybin A, silybin B, isosilybin A, isosilybin B, silychristin, isosilychristin, silydianin).

Most tablets are standardised to contain about 90mg of silymarin. It maybe be listed as being standardised for silymarin, flavanolignans or silybin content.

A dose of about 180mg silymarin is optimal. It should be taken about an hour before dosing a paracetamol CWE to allow the liver to become saturated with silymarin.

Silymarin is very powerful. It protects the liver from chemical damage and also greatly enhances the livers ability to regenerate functional, healthy tissues. There are many studies that have shown this to be true. Silymarin given intravenously has saved the lives of death cap mushroom victims. (references? just do a google search, there's a lot). I wrote an essay about it several years ago, if I find it I will post the references.

The price of good quality standardised milk thistle preparations has come down a lot in recent years. Natures Own Milk Thistle 7000 from Woolworths are dirt cheap and are good quality.
http://di1-3.shoppingshadow.com/ima...own+nature+s+own+milk+thistle+7000+nature.jpg

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I should add to the silymarin dosing info. 180mg one hour before ingestion of liver toxins, followed by 90mg four hours later and another 90mg four hours after that.
The idea is to keep you liver saturated with silymarin. Silymarin is a powerful antioxidant and acts like a chemical force field or shield that stops toxins from damaging the liver.

A daily maintenance dose is also important and has been shown to be very effective at enhancing the livers ability to regenerate. 90-180mg twice daily should be plenty. It is a good idea to try to take it for as long as your CWE habit lasts.
 
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When i was hooked on codeine (Panafen Plus and Nurofen Plus to be exact) i never knew about CWE...so i was just popping 40-45 pills a day, full ibuprofen and all! Had my drug of choice been Panadeine/Panadeine Forte which contains Paracetamol i would have died of liver failure for sure...with the amount of pills i was taking un-extracted i woulda been on much more then 20 thousand mg of Paracetamol a day...thats a fatal dose. When i started to see doctors and a drug Psychologist i had a battery of tests done, i was lucky...i didnt have ANY liver damage, the ibuprofen/codeine mix is probably what saved me! I also had another blood test a few days back which checked my liver and kidney function again and its still all clear :).

Please people, dont muck around with Paracetamol....its deadly shit!
 
Studies have shown that 1g paracetamol 3 times a week is bad for your liver? Which studies?
it says it on the wikiepdia apap page somewhere about a study where somone took a gram a day for like a year or something & there was damage to her liver.
if u ever get offered panadeine forte from ya dr. say ud prefer tramadol cuz ya dont wanna be taking like 2 grams apap a day & it works better. they actually give it out just as easy & it's way better. for some reason drs dont know how recreational tramadol is. & u can always do cwe as well if ya want :)
good thing is the dose they usually precribe actually is a recreational dose.


btw i sonny jim i got the "blooms" milk thistle (btw milk thistle & St. Mary's Thistle are the same thing) u only have to take 1 pill & it contains 35g of milk thistle. better than taking 3 pills of only 7g milk thistle. that only equals 21g. the pills I have are equivelent to 400mg silybin. was only like $7. it also contains taurine 50mg. I got 60 pills. shop around at the chemist & get the highest dose for the cheapest price.
like i said before liva tone shots only contain like 1/2 the amount & I assume twice the price just cuz it's advertised on the tv
u should take a good mulivitamine too
those hydralyte drinks ya get from the pharmacy are good too.
 
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I'll have to ensure from now on I get ibu/codeine tablets instead of Paracetemol.

I hate the stuff, but have always for some reason bought panadeine, no real reason to it... Ibuprofen is safer if you fuck up, and apparently safer even on its own when used to recommended doses.
 
What do u guys think is the best to do cwe with. Ibuprofen of Paracetemol?
Ive ALWAYS used APAP. I think I tried Ibu before & it didnt dissolve easy like the chemists own pain tablets with apap do.

Can u even get 40 packs of ibu/codeine?

& Im pretty sure the apap/codeine pills are alot cheaper too.

im assuming most ppl do it with apap/codeine pills!
 
heres some info from wikipedia
Ibuprofen solubility Less than 1 mg/mL (it didnt say the temp but im assuming its also 20 °C)
apap solubility 12.78 mg/mL (20 °C)

so that's less than 100mg of ibuprofen in 100mL compared to 1278mg of APAP (so yeah might be safer)

anyways apap dissolves easier, its cheaper

it was yrs ago i tried it with Iboprofen. i remember i had some troubles cant remember what though.
does it dissolve easy or do u have to crush up the pills first?
nurofen + is like twice as dear as chemists own.
oh well i got my procedure perfect theres no need to change it.
im drinking less than 1g of apap thats the main thing
 
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Ive used cwe on & off for years & I got my liver tested recently & it came out fine.
Does anyone know if blood tests can come up with problems with kidneys too?
Im a little concerned after reading this article
http://www.naturalnews.com/001523.html
This research was conducted on 1,700 women, and spanned 11 years. Overall, it showed that 10% of the women experienced a decline in their kidney function, indicating that their kidneys were being harmed by this over-the-counter painkiller. Women who took between 1,500 and 9,000 tablets over their lifetimes raised their risk of kidney impairment by 64%
I did the maths on my calculator & taking 1500 tablets (assumming they're 500mg) every day over 11 years would only equal 187mg of APAP. that's not alot.
I cant remember exact amount someone said in an earlier post about the solubility of apap in 10degrees celcius but I think it was something like 700mg.
So say u do cwe once or twice a week over a few years that would add up to be quite alot!

am i just being paranoid. I mean drs precribe panadeine forte all the time to be taken long term.
the dr wanted to put me on it for 6 months waiting to get wisdom teeth removed. Luckily I chose Tramadol instead. I cant remember how many a day he wanted me to take but it would have been atleast 4g a day of apap.
drs should be more careful with panadeine forte long-term. they go on & on & on about how evil the addictive drug codeine is. god forbit u could get addicted & become a junkie but they dont give a fuck about the apap. Id rather an addiction to heroin than kidney failure!

Ive probably got everyone worried now & they'll be so stressed out that they'll have to have a drink of codeine :\
 
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Anon personally I only CWE with paracetamol now. I started with Ibu because I thought since its not as bad to OD on as para it is safer, however over a long period of time (with many sloppy extractions mind you) I found it bothering my guts. I switched to para and I notice a difference in stomach irritation. I do sometimes wonder if I have done damage because I get a lot of abdominal discomfort, often times in the day following a CWE (which I use fairly rarely compared to past use) but I have had liver function tests and stuff come up fine. It is worth noting though that I am a pretty heavy daily drinker so that probably didn't help.
 
^^yeah uve had liver tests. so have I im worried about the kidneys
http://www.naturalnews.com/001523.html
do u know if the blood test u had also included ya kidney health. im gunna ask my dr next time if the test i had includes kidney health.
apap is cheaper, dissolves more & it easily.
I too have abdominal issues. I havnt been drinking much lately but ive binge drunk plenty of times. often for days in a row.
im taking milk thistle now. u should do the same if u can afford a 6 to last ya 2-3 hrs u can afford milk thistle to last ya 2 months. u may be able to handle drinking more alcohol than & have even more fun :)
 
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liver and kidney function test do not even begin to scratch the surface of tha damage ibuprofen or NSAIDs are know to cause. Note paracetamol is not an NSAID.

The real long term dangers are cardiovascular (heart attack and stroke) and damage to the gut lining.

paracetamol and ibuprofen CWE are probably equally danerous in the long term.

acute paracetamol over dose, is definitely more dangerous than and acute ibuprofen over dose. For the simply fact that acute para overdose is lethal much more likely to be a lethal overdose.

ibuprofen and damage to the GUT are in separable, even a single dose at the recommended dose will cause a small amount of stress to the gut lining. The real damage happens over the log term of course.

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There are lots of people who simply cannot take ibuprofen because the gut pain it causes at recommended dose is too severe.

And it never hurts to repeat the fact that NSAIDs are the leading cause of gastric and duodenal ulcers. Ulcers are very nasty by them selves but they can also become perforated ulcers. This is where the ulcer eats right through the lining of your stomach or intestine causing the contents of your guts (digested food etc) to leak into the abdominal cavity, or the ulcer eats into an artery in the lining of your stomach causing your stomach and gut to rapidly fill with blood until you quickly succumb to blood loss.



So neither are a good idea in the long term.

The thing is that the damage done is hard to notice, especially in a young resilient person.
 
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ibuprofen and damage to the GUT are in separable, even a single dose at the recommended dose will cause a small amount of stress to the gut lining. The real damage happens over the log term of course.

are u sure ya just talking about just the small amounts of Ibuprofen & apap that are soluble & get into ya cwe or are and not talking about when u take over the recommended doses occasionally over time?
oh ok ya talking about the recommended dose. the cwe gives alot less than the recommended dose though

I know someone who is prescribed 800mg Ibuprofen tablets to take daily for a bad back.
fucking drs. they think a codeine addiction is worse than gastric and duodenal ulcers

what do u think should be precribed for on going mild pain issues?
I think a low dose of tramadol is appropriate
I actually dont think panadeine forte is a good idea. they wanted to put me on that for 6 months while waiting to get my wisdom teeth out. i cant remember correctly but I think they wanted me to take 4 a day & were more concerned about the codeine addiction than the apap. ofcourse I chose to take tramadol instead because ive been educated about how harmful apap is in the long-term unlike most the drs ive met

I was getting minor stomach aches for a while. I get a script for a drug called pariot. ive also had nexium before. they are proton pump inhibitors. they are given to ppl with stomach ulcers. i havnt been diagnosed with stomach ulcers. they just give it out for stomach aches too. it stops the production of acid & helps ya stomach heal itself. works alot better than an antacid.
there's no harm in taking PPIs so if anyone out there gets stomach aches, even sometimes it would probably be a good idea to get a script even just to take for a few weeks. (I only had to take it for a couple of weeks before it went away)

u dont have to be using ibuprofen regularly to get stomach ulcers. drinking and other drugs can cause them to. even a bacteria disease can cause it

I also take milk thistle now. i was talking about that earlier on. a strong antioxidant for ya liver.

the hydralyte electrolyte drinks u get from the pharmacy a really good too for dehydration.

fiber supplements like metamucil are also good. they help constipation & diarrhea. nearly everyone doesnt have enough fiber in there diet

Another good supplement i take is valium :)
 
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^ Please try and stay on topic :)

Chronic pain management is an extremely difficult and complex issue, there definitely is no single answer to your question. Check out the Opiates for Pain thread too.
 
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