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Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

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^ It follows first order kinetics so the half-life is constant and not dependent on the concentration of the drug. The cite for that is in one of my textbooks which is currently in a box in the attic so I can't pull it out to verify right now. :)
 
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^ It follows first order kinetics so the half-life is constant and not dependent on the concentration of the drug. The cite for that is in one of my textbooks which is currently in a box in the attic so I can't pull it out to verify right now. :)
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=D No probs M_B. Does sound right to be, plus I believe ya! ;)
 
i had 20mg of diazepam 24 hours ago. knowing that diaz has a long half life, i was wondering if there would be any problems taking ~350mg codeine tonight? i have no idea if these drugs should be in my system at the same time.
 
Have finally seen the brand of generic Panadeine Extra on the shelves in pharmacies up here, in boxes of 40. They have gotten past the scheduling problem via the technical point that the SUSMP specifies 12.8mg of codeine, not salts of codeine which is what we measure our doses in. 15mg of codeine phosphate is somewhat less then 12.8mg I believe.

From what I know, the company making this product vetted the proposal through the TGA first, so they are well aware of this and several pharmacists believe it may only be a matter of time before another change to codeine availability is made. Looks like this time it isn't us who are at fault for overuse, it's a pharmaceutical company for trying to push more codeine on to people. :\

Prices I have seen range from cheaper then 24 Panadeine Extra to the same price or a bit more expensive.
 
Heh, interesting.

I haven't had a cwe dose of codeine in a long time.... at least 4-5 months now, I've had suboxone recently and it's nowhere close in euphoria.

Now is the point of the post where I say "I'll have to have some..." except I'm not going to :)
 
Yeah I like to think I'm pretty opiate free.... I had 1x 8mg suboxone tablet around, and I've had it for 2-3 weeks now, still half left....

I did do a little minor OD on about 3-4mg in one dose after abstaining from opiates for a while... Bad move. Know your tolerances.

Plan is to keep the sub for pain relief should it ever be requried.
 
You guys who are abstaining, how did you do it? Did you come off it cold turkey or taper, and did you start living in a different way ? I can only seem to stop for like 2 weeks, then I get bored and think this video game or movie would be so much better with a bit of codeine.
 
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I can only seem to stop for like 2 weeks, then I get bored and think this video game or movie would be so much better with a bit of codeine[/I].
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Sounds like you already have really could self disipline if you're only doing it every 1 - 2 weeks, and not cause you any problems unless you go from infrequent to frequent use as soon as you start again.
 
I haven't even been able to stop for one day lately. I've decided to choose my battles - if I'm abstaining from smack and oxy, daily codeine is a compromise - it's mainly psychological anyway, my tolly has finally gotten too high.
 
Id have to admit that Codeine is one of the most addictive substances known to man, atleast for me anyway. Its easy to have access to, cheap and convenient for all situations. Have managed to kick every opiate habit under the sun except good old codeine. Will prob do it til the day it becomes *drum roll* prescription :S hopefully wont happen ever though so I dont want to jinx it lol
 
Yeah, I asked because I used to be able to limit myself to infrequent use, but now I find my self taking codeine everyday, and it's starting to affect my social life lol. Keep saying tomorrow i'll take a break, but never manage to. It's quite moreish indeed codeine.
 
Well the way I handle taking too much is to never take more than I normally would when I take it infrequently. So either I dose normal amount then and get shit results due to an increase in tolerance , or I abstain until I"ll get a good effect again. normally a week.
Still requires self discipline though, so wouldn't expect some people can do that. I won't buy codeine until the day of dosing. That helps me a lot breaking down and doing it when I shouldnt.
 
i dont know why ppl keep bothering with codeine. it's so weak but unfortunetly i still feel the need to take it.
I dont know why I bother with benzos either. no matter how many i take i can barely feel anything.
 
Yeah sometimes codeine can be very unrewarding. Other times its still great though.

Been having way too much lately :) This time of year ;)
 
Hi all

I hate to sound like a kill joy and stuff but

Some of the stuff I read on the CWE thread (that is backed up by moderators) is really dangerous advice.

I used to be addicted to CWE and loved the fact that I could get codeine so easily but I switched for another opiate about 1 year ago because it became clear it was very hard to make an extraction out of 30-40 (96+ tablets at my peak) that does not contain a significant amount of ibuprofen.

Using a shirt to filter CWE is a very bad idea and it is my opinion that coffee filters aren't much better either. In fact no simple filter is going to be effective because ibuprofen and paracetamol are water soluble. Not as soluble as codeine but not insoluble. We should never forget this.

Using warm or even lukewarm water to dissolve and then chilling is a really bad idea and is made even worse by using a shirt. People are wrong to think that the apap will crash out of solution as easily as it when into solution.

I think people get lulled into a false sense of security ( I certainly did) because they take it for a few months or years and don't feel particularly sick but I have read many accounts of people who take 30-40 N+ or panadeine whole tablets (not extracted) for months and have not felt sick either but of course they were poisoning them selves.

So I think that we need to make more mention of the fact that we are ingesting worrying long term amount of apap when we CWE. Also, people need to stop underestimating the toxicity of ibuprofen. It might not be as acutely toxic as paracetamol but it is not something that you want to be taking every day even at safe doses. The cardiovascular consequences alone should be reason enough.

We need to stop putting kitchen CWEs in the same category as pure and safe codeine because it simply isn't.

I know some people don't really care that it is bad for them but I am sure a lot of people do care. It is my opinion that CWE is not a viable way to support an opiate addiction.

Having said that. I think CWE is fantastic for people who don't have to use it all the time and at high doses.
 
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Probably good advice there.... although I think most people are lot more safe than this thread would suggest. Personally I (most of the time) use water from the cold side of our water dispenser that is 7-11 degrees. Then I stir and filter straight away. No need for the warm water first thing. I use a t-shirt then filter again with a coffee filter (to remove suspended solids).

I would be surprised if anyone put CWEs in the same category as regular codeine (I certainly dont anyway.... would WAY prefer refular codeine! ;))

But it is always good to remember to stay safe and not take the whole process for granted. We all have days when we get lazy and maybe ingest too much of something not so good. Just have to make sure that that laziness doesnt creep in and become habitual.
 
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