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The harm of Atheism is that it's an approach to life that cuts you off from God, which has unlimited negative consequences, even if we can't see them.

Being blind to this part of reality which is much more real than this one (and dismissing everyone who aren't as superstitious) doesn't make someone enlightened. It just makes them spiritually blind with all that it entails. You don't get knowledge of these things by examining physical evidence.

Organised religions has nothing to do with it and has never been my focus. However, it's also possible to become enlightened through a manistream religion like Christianity (there are many examples of it). And there's no reason to focus on crucades and percecutions that happened centuries ago. That has nothing to do with the things of value someone might take away from Christianity now.
 
Ninae said:
The harm of Atheism is that it's an approach to life that cuts you off from God, which has unlimited negative consequences, even if we can't see them.
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The harm of religious faith is that it creates the illusion that god is sanctioning one's actions. This enables people to perpetrate untold harm.

I guess atheism and religion, as espoused by you, do share a lot in common :\

Being blind to this part of reality which is much more real than this one (and dismissing everyone who aren't as superstitious) doesn't make someone enlightened. It just makes them spiritually blind with all that it entails. You don't get knowledge of these things by examining physical evidence.
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Just as claiming to be in communion with divinity doesn't make someone enlightened.

I do agree that we should not dismiss the unseen parts of reality, but I also think we should approach this stuff with some gravity and discretion and discrimination, because it is extraorinairily easy to get deluded and confused on this path.

Ninae said:
Organised religions has nothing to do with it and has never been my focus. However, it's also possible to become enlightened through a manistream religion like Christianity (there are many examples of it). And there's no reason to focus on crucades and percecutions that happened centuries ago. That has nothing to do with the things of value someone might take away from Christianity now.
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Okay, I get that I spose. But its disengenous to pretend that current chistianity is not intimately connected to its past. You cannot pretend the past didn't happen, and given the ridicidulous sexual morality of, say, catholicism, it doesn't even seem that mainstream religions are trying to that. This new pope is just as superstitious and amoral as the rest of them, though he is trying to understand what the modern world requires of him, which is a good enough effort.

*My references were to modern Wahhabism Islam. I know, its so easy to point out the evils and its been done so many times before, its unorginal...but what does that say about the reality of this stuff, that our focus on violence and fear in Islam has become tired and repetitive...?
 
You're not talking about the God I know. And how can you say someone else can't connect with God and only believe they do? I've had many direct experiences of God, like many others, but I don't really see any point of getting into it as no one will take my word for it.

I'm not from a religious background. I started out as an agnostic/atheist. My background lies more in studying the mystical teachers and philosphers like Swedenborg, Peter Deunov, and Pythagoras. That's what connected the most with me although this is more esoteric and not known or understood by many.

I have no personal stake in organised religion and it's all the same to me how someone believes in it. I just eventually found it in myself to feel some humlity for the good things that CAN be found in mainstream religion. It has also been of great help to many, and even if it's 50/50, there's still a lot to take from it. If someone only wants to focus on the 50% that is negative and be closed to all that is positive, that's their choice.
 
Ninae said:
You're not talking about the God I know. And how can you say someone else can't connect with God and only believe they do?
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Are you even talking to me? Where did I say that?

I'm not from a religious background. I started out as an agnostic/atheist. My background lies more in studying the mystical teachers and philosphers like Swedenborg, Peter Deunov, and Pythagoras. That's what connected the most with me although this is more esoteric and not known or understood by many.
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Yeah, you've said that before. Its just that you often reference christianity.

I have no personal stake in organised religion and it's all the same to me how someone believes in it. I just eventually found it in myself to feel some humlity for the good things that CAN be found in mainstream religion. It has also been of great help to many, and even if it's 50/50, there's still a lot to take from it. If someone only wants to focus on the 50% that is negative and be closed to all that is positive, that's their choice.
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Yeah, fair enough :) I personally see a lot more then 50% of organised religion as being negative. Hardly any of it actually has to do with the spirit and remains focused on the flesh and the wiles of society at the time. I'd say its about 75% which is enough for me to discard it. It seems that some people will demand the non-faithful to overlook the negativity, as if its the non-faithfuls fault that this stuff is perceived. Its there and undeniable. If this was really about god/truth/divinity, organised religion would have no detractors. Its when it asks us to dress, act, think a certain way that it becomes more controlling then useful for spiritual and psychological development. Its the duplicitous way that we are told god will not reveal himself but that we must believe regardless and are lesser people if we can't believe in that god that really turns me off.
 
That is for you to focus on. I don't see it like that. I just appreciate the things that are of value and pay no attention to the rest like when I'm reading a book with ideas of varying quality.

I don't belong or have any loyalty to any religion so I don't have to answear for or worry about any of the bad things about it as it doesn't have to be any part of my life. But I've seen it do a lot of good for many and realistically you also have to acknowledge that.

I don't know why you obsess so much about religion if you don't like it. Your spiritulity doesn't have to be affected by it. There are other ways to take.

Who says you are lesser for not believing in God and who has told you he won't reveal himself to you? And if someone does, why would it bother you?

That's nothing that's ever stuck in my mind or affected how I relate to these things.
 
Ninae said:
The harm of Atheism is that it's an approach to life that cuts you off from God, which has unlimited negative consequences, even if we can't see them.

Being blind to this part of reality which is much more real than this one (and dismissing everyone who aren't as superstitious) doesn't make someone enlightened. It just makes them spiritually blind with all that it entails. You don't get knowledge of these things by examining physical evidence.
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What do theists do that make them closer with God? Surely it's the way we live; how we treat others, how we treat animals and the earth that makes a closer with God rather than partaking in a ritual or praying?
 
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What do theists do that make them closer with God? Surely it's the way we live; how we treat others, how we treat animals and the earth that makes a closer with God rather than partaking in a ritual or praying?
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People that take part in organized religion will never understand this, and dismiss it as "part" of what you are "supposed to do. It is the way it always has been, and most likely the way it always will be.

Fact of the matter is, the line has been crossed on both sides.

Many religious people are monsters, while many non religious people could qualify for Sainthood.
 
rickolasnice said:
What do theists do that make them closer with God? Surely it's the way we live; how we treat others, how we treat animals and the earth that makes a closer with God rather than partaking in a ritual or praying?
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Taking part in rituals or praying doesn't mean you are close to God. Theists can be more or less close to God. Depends how much their latent God-connection has been activated.
 
It seems like there's a lot more non-religious people arguing Non-Religion versus Religion than there is religious people arguing Religion versus Non-Religion, on this forum.

(Both arguments are stupid.)

Many religious people are monsters, while many non religious people could qualify for Sainthood.
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Yep, and vice-versa.
Was this supposed to be revelation for someone in particular?

People that take part in organized religion will never understand this
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You're making a generalization about 90% of the world's population.
You can't make sweeping statements about all religious people any more than you can about all drug users.
Why not just lump marijuana in with heroin like the drug war idiots?
 
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Tend to agree here, although for what its worth... I think Timothy McVeigh has a lot more in common with Durkah Bin Durkha than either would ever admit, whereas say Elon Musk and Melinda Gates would probably get along pretty well and not have much to argue about that would end in a large number of human casualties.

Point is religion is dangerous and stupid and the people at its extremes should be neutralized with extreme predjudice
 
Point is religion is dangerous and stupid and the people at its extremes should be neutralized with extreme predjudice
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That attitude is "dangerous and stupid".
You might as well replace the word religion with communism... or capitalism, for that matter.

Religion is not going away.
 
I'm happy with the current state of the world.
I don't see the point in hoping for an ideal future.
It's best just to accept this is the way things are.

Religion is a big part of the world. Deal with it.
No matter how many times you call it stupid, it's still there.
The only thing you're doing is rejecting the world around you and feeding your hate.

Religion can be understood by anyone, if they're willing to try.
I don't see the point in fighting it, or labeling it "evil"... any more than labeling communism "evil"...
That, IMO, is an ignorant (and dangerous) way to process your environment.

By promoting the idea that religion (and, by extension, religious people) are "stupid", you are promoting hate.
And, what function does that serve? Calling people stupid is likely to make them tune out.
It makes the fundamentalists angrier and it is unlikely to convert anybody.
You catch more flies with honey.

Religious people don't go around calling atheists stupid.
Have some respect... or, don't.

Continue acting like children, if you like.
It only serves to discredit you.
 
Never accept things the way they are, always look to improve your position and those you care about.
I dont 'hate' religious people, I may come off overly aggressive in my stated opinions about them but I honestly try not to hate anybody.
I have attempted to understand religion as best I could. I have read the old and new, the koran, the vedas, and many more I am forgetting and yes there is something to learn and take away from each like any great story.

I have come to the conclusion that joining one camp vs the other is pointless and ends in unnecessary grief so why bother identifying as anything other than yourself? Unless you are afraid of what that is...in which case I suggest joining the cult
 
Concerning the bible, for those of you that believe everything in the bible believe that "the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Yes??.... then you also believe that the earth was that way in around 3000BC. You do not believe in dinosaur's and that the pyramids are a physical elusion, I could go on and on and on..... Yes I am an atheist and have second thoughts in the "Big Bang theory"
 
Ninae said:
Taking part in rituals or praying doesn't mean you are close to God. Theists can be more or less close to God. Depends how much their latent God-connection has been activated.
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I know but you said that atheism is an approach to life that cuts you off from God.. Am curious as to how. I always thought that if a God should exist and cared about the affairs of men then the respect from it would come from nothing other than leading a life in which they are a good person - kind, considerate, etc..
 
Thread kinda bummed me out. I was hoping for an interesting discussion.

OP, I had a philosophy professor in college that was highly intelligent and also an atheist. He went on to make an argument about how Christianity would be proven to be invalid if aliens were proven to exist, which seems to be the type of response you were fishing for. I forget exactly how it went, but my point is, that there are certainly those that agree with you.

There are also some that believe that aliens are demonic beings:

www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/demons_aliens_clothes.htm

Some go even further by saying that these demonic entities are abducting people to try and intertwine their DNA with human DNA to create the Antichrist.

It gets even weirder the more you get into it but will refrain for the time being. Gotta love the internet. UFOs, aliens, abductions, reptilians, greys, the book of Enoch, were really fascinating to me for a while.
 
Not so fast, Jesus has his own spaceship called The New Jerusalem. Look it up.
 
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